Tragic shooting in San Bernardino

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Scary stuff. SoCal is ground zero for the new wave of terrorism on US soil. The big question becomes,what other cells are operating in the US and can we prevent the next attack? This should be lighting a fire under the FBI and CIA. They better act quickly.
 
Has there even been an backlash yet?  Our Dear leader is more concerned about something that hasn't even happened yet over the 14 permanently dead Americans...disgusting.

Attorney General's 'greatest fear' isn't Islamic terrorism - it's attacks on Muslims because of a backlash in wake of shootings


'We cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on,' said at a dinner for a Muslim advocate group
Lynch did not mention the shooting in San Bernardino, California, committed by two Muslims and currently under investigation by the FBI
Authorities said yesterday they couldn't be sure the shooting was terrorism, but GOP presidential contenders said it obviously was
AG later said she had observed an 'incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric' since ISIS'' assault on Paris and the talk 'edges towards violence'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346148/Attorney-General-s-greatest-fear-isn-t-Islamic-terrorism-s-attacks-Muslims-backlash-wake-shootings.html
 
morekaos said:
Has there even been an backlash yet?  Our Dear leader is more concerned about something that hasn't even happened yet over the 14 permanently dead Americans...disgusting.

Attorney General's 'greatest fear' isn't Islamic terrorism - it's attacks on Muslims because of a backlash in wake of shootings


'We cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on,' said at a dinner for a Muslim advocate group
Lynch did not mention the shooting in San Bernardino, California, committed by two Muslims and currently under investigation by the FBI
Authorities said yesterday they couldn't be sure the shooting was terrorism, but GOP presidential contenders said it obviously was
AG later said she had observed an 'incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric' since ISIS'' assault on Paris and the talk 'edges towards violence'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346148/Attorney-General-s-greatest-fear-isn-t-Islamic-terrorism-s-attacks-Muslims-backlash-wake-shootings.html

really odd
 
morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be
Obama's been making comments like that since day one.  He appeals to simple minded people who don't like to think.  That speech was an appeal to emotions and an insult to people who have concerns. 

It was also used as a stab at republicans.  His debate comments were rude and wrong.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the republicans either.  In fact, I'm pretty centrist.  Obama is a great divider.  We need a uniter.  As a centrist, I don't want to see polarization.  It's pretty much the worst scenario for me.  Unfortunately, I can't recommend any other candidates either, so there's not much I can do other than whine...  :(
 
riznick said:
morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be
Obama's been making comments like that since day one.  He appeals to simple minded people who don't like to think.  That speech was an appeal to emotions and an insult to people who have concerns. 

It was also used as a stab at republicans.  His debate comments were rude and wrong.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the republicans either.  In fact, I'm pretty centrist.  Obama is a great divider.  We need a uniter.  As a centrist, I don't want to see polarization.  It's pretty much the worst scenario for me.  Unfortunately, I can't recommend any other candidates either, so there's not much I can do other than whine...  :(

LOL.. I definitely agree with you.

I might get flamed.. but I like Bush the most.  He's the least offensive.  Has a messican wife.. sounds a lot brighter than his brother that's for sure. 
 
What temporarily freaks me out are the muslim women who dress in all black, fully covered up except for their eyes.  I've seen them at Kohls buying normal clothes for their daughters, at Albertsons buying groceries...  Basically doing normal every day stuff, no big deal. 

The other day there was one walking in the middle of the road.  That was a strange sight.  Her car broke down in the middle of the road.

It only gets me for the initial second I see them, and then I realize that there's nothing to be scared of.  It's only the ones that wear all black that gets me.  If you are going to dress like that, please don't wear all black ;)

Like I said, it only gets me for a second.  Once I do my double-take, my senses kick in and realize that there's nothing to fear. 
 
Some neighbors did notice that the couple received lots of packages throughout the day and worked late into the night in the garage and thought this was suspicious but they were afraid to alert authorities because we have been conditioned to believe that such suspicions constitute "racial profiling."

Had the neighbors been a little less politically correct, maybe the tragedy could have been averted.
 
We probably owe a debt of gratitude to whoever it was who pissed off Farook at the Christmas party.  Given the couple's bomb making factory, I think they were planning something much much bigger than merely shooting up an office holiday party.  Let's not forget the 129 killed when the Paris rock concert got bombed a few weeks ago.  The dude probably got so pissed arguing with the snarky co-worker that he decided to shoot him and forgot about the bigger plan.  The good thing about arguing in an internet forum is no one is going to come back with a gun.
 
Talking about bombs, this can't be good.  Who's in charge of the bomb warehouse?  I hope Russia isn't planning to attack us anytime soon.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/index.html

The U.S. is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS

Washington (CNN)The U.S. Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS began 15 months ago, according to the Air Force, leading to depleted munitions stockpiles and calls to ramp up funding and weapons production.

As the U.S. ramps up its campaign against the Islamist terror group in Iraq and Syria, the Air Force is now "expending munitions faster than we can replenish them," Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh said in a statement.

"B-1s have dropped bombs in record numbers. F-15Es are in the fight because they are able to employ a wide range of weapons and do so with great flexibility. We need the funding in place to ensure we're prepared for the long fight," Welsh said in the statement. "This is a critical need."

The bombing campaign has left the U.S. Air Force with what an Air Force official described as munitions depot stocks "below our desired objective."

The official told CNN that the Air Force has requested additional funding for Hellfire missiles and is developing plans to ramp up weapons production to replenish its stocks more quickly. But replenishing that stock can take "up to four years from time of expenditure to asset resupply," the official said.

"The precision today's wars requires demands the right equipment and capability to achieve desired effects. We need to ensure the necessary funding is in place to not only execute today's wars, but also tomorrow's challenges," the official said.

The Air Force's publication of the number of missiles and bombs dropped comes amid continued criticism from Republicans -- in particular those running for president -- who insist the Obama administration has been too timid in the fight against ISIS, with many on the right calling for the U.S. to loosen the rules of engagement and lead a more aggressive fight against the militant group.

American pilots have fired weapons in less than half of the nearly 18,000 sorties they have in the first 10 months of 2015, according the latest figures available.

That's up from 2014, when pilots fired their weapons just one third of the time.
 
This couple was a US citizen and his wife that came in through a K-1 visa. What does this have to do with refugees?

morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be
 
Just curious - were you or your family a refugee?


peppy said:
This couple was a US citizen and his wife that came in through a K-1 visa. What does this have to do with refugees?

morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be
 
eyephone said:
Just curious - were you or your family a refugee?


peppy said:
This couple was a US citizen and his wife that came in through a K-1 visa. What does this have to do with refugees?

morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be

My parents legally emigrated from the Phillipines in 1946 after the war.  Dad went to NYU and mom went to Harvard.  Took them 10 years to earn legal citizenship.  All of us 6 kids were born here.
 
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Just curious - were you or your family a refugee?


peppy said:
This couple was a US citizen and his wife that came in through a K-1 visa. What does this have to do with refugees?

morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be

My parents legally emigrated from the Phillipines in 1946 after the war.  Dad went to NYU and mom went to Harvard.  Took them 10 years to earn legal citizenship.  All of us 6 kids were born here.

Good to know Morekas.
I noticed peppy was kind of jumpy regarding refugees, that's why I asked.
 
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Just curious - were you or your family a refugee?


peppy said:
This couple was a US citizen and his wife that came in through a K-1 visa. What does this have to do with refugees?

morekaos said:
"Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," the president said

Turns out we should be

My parents legally emigrated from the Phillipines in 1946 after the war.  Dad went to NYU and mom went to Harvard.  Took them 10 years to earn legal citizenship.  All of us 6 kids were born here.

Good to know Morekas.
I noticed peppy was kind of jumpy regarding refugees, that's why I asked.

I'm jumpy at the insinuation that because of what happened in SB means that we should turn away refugees.
 
peppy said:
What does this have to do with refugees?
Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 
 
riznick said:
peppy said:
What does this have to do with refugees?
Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.
 
iacrenter said:
riznick said:
peppy said:
What does this have to do with refugees?
Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.

Let me just point our that the previous domestic terrorist attack was committed by a white christian US citizen.
 
peppy said:
iacrenter said:
riznick said:
peppy said:
What does this have to do with refugees?
Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.

Let me just point our that the previous domestic terrorist attack was committed by a white christian US citizen.

And appropriately so, the FBI has been monitoring domestic paramilitary groups ever since. Immigrants coming from terrorist strongholds should be no different.
 
iacrenter said:
peppy said:
iacrenter said:
riznick said:
peppy said:
What does this have to do with refugees?
Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.

Let me just point our that the previous domestic terrorist attack was committed by a white christian US citizen.

And appropriately so, the FBI has been monitoring domestic paramilitary groups ever since. Immigrants coming from terrorist strongholds should be no different.

But they are already getting vetted by way more than just the FBI.
 
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