Tragic shooting in San Bernardino

[iacrenter]

What does this have to do with refugees?

Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.

Let me just point our that the previous domestic terrorist attack was committed by a white christian US citizen.

And appropriately so, the FBI has been monitoring domestic paramilitary groups ever since. Immigrants coming from terrorist strongholds should be no different.

But they are already getting vetted by way more than just the FBI.

Based on recent events the vetting process may not be enough. Time will tell what role the wife played. My fear is that the wife purposely targeted her husband for radicalization prior to arrival in the US. That would put the whole K1 visa program at risk.

 

[peppy]

What does this have to do with refugees?

Nothing.  It has to do with the appeal to emotion with the implication that women or children don't commit crimes.  Because the refugees are women and children, you don't have to worry at all about them.  It should be very insulting to men. 

Having a terrorist attack on US soil is a very big deal. We need to take a hard look at our whole immigration policy, not just refugees. The wife came to the US legally on a visa but the FBI indicates they know very little about her. Are we doing enough to background check people before allowing them into the US?

With regards to Syrian refugees. They deserve a higher level of scrutiny before coming to the US. Especially because many of them are Muslim (i.e. higher risk for being radicalized) and their local proximity to terrorist networks. I don't see the same level of risk when talking about refugees coming from Central America or Cuba.

Let me just point our that the previous domestic terrorist attack was committed by a white christian US citizen.

And appropriately so, the FBI has been monitoring domestic paramilitary groups ever since. Immigrants coming from terrorist strongholds should be no different.

But they are already getting vetted by way more than just the FBI.

Based on recent events the vetting process may not be enough. Time will tell what role the wife played. My fear is that the wife purposely targeted her husband for radicalization prior to arrival in the US. That would put the whole K1 visa program at risk.

So you essentially want to predict crime as part of the vetting process. How could that possibly be done?

 

[morekaos]

http://youtu.be/jdl6eAIx2K4

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Isis did announce that California, Illinois, Virginia, New York and DC are the targets. I wonder if this San Barnardino massacre had anything to do with the issued agenda.

 

[nosuchreality]

Egads, Trump is such a whackadoodle, but today the FBI admits shooters were radicalized and talking martyrdom and Jihad before they got married.

So what have the DHS, FBI and NSA been doing?

 

[jmoney74]

Egads, Trump is such a whackadoodle, but today the FBI admits shooters were radicalized and talking martyrdom and Jihad before they got married.

So what have the DHS, FBI and NSA been doing?

Gotta think how many of these they get a day or a given year... must be tons to filter through and make choices on where to act. 

 

[morekaos]

Have to admit that the blanket approach...at least temporarily,  is the only way to catch them all

 

[iacrenter]

Have to admit that the blanket approach...at least temporarily,  is the only way to catch them all

We could also put all Black people in jail and that should help reduce crime rates.

 

[morekaos]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

 

[iacrenter]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

I agree, the current system has failed. But banning only Muslim immigrants is NOT the answer. If you say ban ALL immigrants, then that makes more sense. You also realize, the Paris attackers were EU citizens and were trained in Syria. Banning Muslim immigrants would NOT stop US citizens from returning to the US after training in Syria.

 

[jmoney74]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

I agree, the current system has failed. But banning only Muslim immigrants is NOT the answer. If you say ban ALL immigrants, then that makes more sense. You also realize, the Paris attackers were EU citizens and were trained in Syria. Banning Muslim immigrants would NOT stop US citizens from returning to the US after training in Syria.

Plus.. what if the immigrants weren't muslim.. how do you differentiate them?  make them eat pork?

 

[Irvine Dream]

Have to admit that the blanket approach...at least temporarily,  is the only way to catch them all

We could also put all Black people in jail and that should help reduce crime rates.

We could also put all finance people in jail and that would eliminate all white collar crimes

 

[morekaos]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

I agree, the current system has failed. But banning only Muslim immigrants is NOT the answer. If you say ban ALL immigrants, then that makes more sense. You also realize, the Paris attackers were EU citizens and were trained in Syria. Banning Muslim immigrants would NOT stop US citizens from returning to the US after training in Syria.

I would support that...ban ALL, at least temporarily.  It is not wakadoodle, its common sense.

 

[morekaos]

Have to admit that the blanket approach...at least temporarily,  is the only way to catch them all

We could also put all Black people in jail and that should help reduce crime rates.

We could also put all finance people in jail and that would eliminate all white collar crimes

If you're not a citizen..I could support that too (less competition)

 

[jerometl]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

I agree, the current system has failed. But banning only Muslim immigrants is NOT the answer. If you say ban ALL immigrants, then that makes more sense. You also realize, the Paris attackers were EU citizens and were trained in Syria. Banning Muslim immigrants would NOT stop US citizens from returning to the US after training in Syria.

I would support that...ban ALL, at least temporarily.  It is not wakadoodle, its common sense.

that could put destroy tourism (among others) and put a big strain on the economy.

I think we should start being less politically correct and allow ordinary citizens, authorities and law enforcers to make judgement calls in reporting/arresting suspicious activities without the fear of being accused of racism and getting sued for $15M.

 

[peppy]

Of course not, but these are not citizens...those trying to come who are not citizens have no constitutional rights. We can't give non -citizens US rights.  Just hold them off for a little while till we can figure out a way to properly vet them. Clearly the current system is not working

I agree, the current system has failed. But banning only Muslim immigrants is NOT the answer. If you say ban ALL immigrants, then that makes more sense. You also realize, the Paris attackers were EU citizens and were trained in Syria. Banning Muslim immigrants would NOT stop US citizens from returning to the US after training in Syria.

I would support that...ban ALL, at least temporarily.  It is not wakadoodle, its common sense.

that could put destroy tourism (among others) and put a big strain on the economy.

I think we should start being less politically correct and allow ordinary citizens, authorities and law enforcers to make judgement calls in reporting/arresting suspicious activities without the fear of being accused of racism and getting sued for $15M.

It's funny (well, actually kind of scary) how so many are jumping on the fascist bandwagon and calling it common sense ....

 

[morekaos]

Or how people jump so quickly to the PC...you must be a racist (fascist) bandwagon

 

[peppy]

Or how people jump so quickly to the PC...you must be a racist (fascist) bandwagon

You may want to look up the definitions of racism and fascism before continuing this conversation.

 

[Happiness]

Egads, Trump is such a whackadoodle, but today the FBI admits shooters were radicalized and talking martyrdom and Jihad before they got married.

Talking about martyrdom is probably a great way of impressing jihadist chicks. 

 

[morekaos]

In this highly emotional context both terms are used liberally.  It goes to GH s point. Our PC litigious society has paralyzed our ability to even attempt to defend ourselves.