Tragic shooting in San Bernardino

Overseas papers don't tip-toe around like the A.P. does.

UK Daily Mail Homepage, Top Story: "Muslim Couple's Massacre"

Article: "Killer couple's links to international terror: US-born gunman was 'in touch with known terror suspects and radicalized online' after 'wooing his Pakistani wife on devout Muslim pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia'

... Definitely not a spontaneous event. You don't suddenly come up with pipe bombs, explosive-rigged remote control toy car, GoPros, camo, tactical gear, body armor, and friends ready to play Jihadi Joe with you.
 
FBI guy said it would be irresponsible to link it to terrorism at this point, then in next sentence, said they don't know if this was the planned target or if something set them off to attack the party.

So if the party wasn't the planned target, what was the planned target?  People tend not to pile up pipe bombs, thousands of ammo rounds and tactical gear...

Oh, and I reviewed my conference video, I don't hear the Mom reference in relation to the searched rental house, so probably my mistake on thinking they said they were living with mom.
 
It's not everyday that a couple enters paradise together.  Hope they have enough virgins in stock for the both of them.  I shudder when I think of things that happened in recent years at UCI like banning the US flag and the shouting down of the Israeli ambassador.  What would it take for one of these activists to snap.
 
Happiness said:
It's not everyday that a couple enters paradise together.  Hope they have enough virgins in stock for the both of them.  I shudder when I think of things that happened in recent years at UCI like banning the US flag and the shouting down of the Israeli ambassador.  What would it take for one of these activists to snap.
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We just had a "Christian" person shoot up the PP in Colorado.  It's not just about a religion or a belief system...it's also about guns.

Did you know that there was another mass shooting yesterday in Georgia where 4 people were shot, one of whom died? 

There has been 355 mass shooting in the US this year, 59 since October 1...almost all of which are not related to terrorism. 
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ned-today-plus-a-look-at-the-59-since/2256241



 
morekaos said:
There was a mass shooting in New Orleans where 17 people were shot just a few weeks ago...bet no one  even remembers it...didn't fit the PC meme so they buried it.

http://www.people.com/article/seventeen-injured-new-orleans-playground-shooting

17 Shot, None Fatally, in New Orleans Playground
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Or that we have been so desensitize about mass shooting that no one cares anymore.  Sandy Hook was the epitome of mass shooting and no one cared after a few week.
 
More shooting victims in Chicago THIS YEAR than all the mass shootings combined along with all those killed in 
Afghanistan.  All is happening in one of the strictest gun control cities in the country...go figure

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

Yearly totals


Jan. 1, 2015 - Dec. 3, 2015

2,7711 shooting victims


Jan. 1, 2014 - Dec. 31, 2014

2,587 shooting victims
 
morekaos said:
More shooting victims in Chicago THIS YEAR than all the mass shootings combined along with all those killed in 
Afghanistan.  All in happening in one of the strictest gun control cities in the country...go figure

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

Yearly totals


Jan. 1, 2015 - Dec. 3, 2015

2,7711 shooting victims


Jan. 1, 2014 - Dec. 31, 2014

2,587 shooting victims
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I don't know why gun advocates keep pushing this argument?  Gun control laws need to be federal in nature...as in nationwide.  Guns are like diseases, pollution, and crime...they do not observe state of local boundaries.  Gun control will only work if you restricting it on a nationwide basis.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
morekaos said:
More shooting victims in Chicago THIS YEAR than all the mass shootings combined along with all those killed in 
Afghanistan.  All in happening in one of the strictest gun control cities in the country...go figure

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

Yearly totals


Jan. 1, 2015 - Dec. 3, 2015

2,7711 shooting victims


Jan. 1, 2014 - Dec. 31, 2014

2,587 shooting victims
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I don't know why gun advocates keep pushing this argument?  Gun control laws need to be federal in nature...as in nationwide.  Guns are like diseases, pollution, and crime...they do not observe state of local boundaries.  Gun control will only work if you restricting it on a nationwide basis.
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National gun control laws didn't help anyone in  Paris.  In these situations they are pretty much worthless.  Check our neighbors to the south. 
 
I never really hear about gun violence in Singapore. Don't they ban all guns? Wondering how countries that ban all guns play out in the statistics.
 
morekaos said:
Irvinecommuter said:
morekaos said:
More shooting victims in Chicago THIS YEAR than all the mass shootings combined along with all those killed in 
Afghanistan.  All in happening in one of the strictest gun control cities in the country...go figure

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

Yearly totals


Jan. 1, 2015 - Dec. 3, 2015

2,7711 shooting victims


Jan. 1, 2014 - Dec. 31, 2014

2,587 shooting victims
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I don't know why gun advocates keep pushing this argument?  Gun control laws need to be federal in nature...as in nationwide.  Guns are like diseases, pollution, and crime...they do not observe state of local boundaries.  Gun control will only work if you restricting it on a nationwide basis.
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National gun control laws didn't help anyone in  Paris.  In these situations they are pretty much worthless.  Check our neighbors to the south. 
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1)  US is not Mexico. 
2)  National gun control laws helped UK, Japan, SK, Taiwan, Australia, Canada, Germany, France, and pretty much most 1st World Countries
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/

3)  France's gun problems are the result of the free border system set up by the EU.  Much like issue with state gun control.
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/

4)  Wait...you really think that having more guns would have prevented or slowed down what happened in Paris? 
 
Data can be made to dance in many ways.  Torture it some more and the US doesn't come out on top all the time...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

In sum, then, Obama is wrong to say that ?this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.? Clearly it does happen elsewhere, and not in trivial numbers. Seven of the countries saw double-digit numbers of people killed in mass shootings during that period.

....We compared mass shooting incidents across countries is to calculate the number of victims per capita ? that is, adjusted for the country?s total population size.

Calculating it this way shows the United States in the upper half of the list of 11 countries, ranking higher than Australia, Canada, China, England, France, Germany and Mexico.

Still, the U.S. doesn?t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000).


 
morekaos said:
Data can be made to dance in many ways.  Torture it some more and the US doesn't come out on top all the time...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

In sum, then, Obama is wrong to say that ?this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.? Clearly it does happen elsewhere, and not in trivial numbers. Seven of the countries saw double-digit numbers of people killed in mass shootings during that period.

....We compared mass shooting incidents across countries is to calculate the number of victims per capita ? that is, adjusted for the country?s total population size.

Calculating it this way shows the United States in the upper half of the list of 11 countries, ranking higher than Australia, Canada, China, England, France, Germany and Mexico.

Still, the U.S. doesn?t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000).
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What do you expect, Obama is finally sending troops to fight them.
 
On a per capita base the US gets the benefit of diluting the incidents due to a fairly large population (one large massacre in Norway significantly raised the per capita rate in that Country). However, if we look at the frequency of these incidents (as in how OFTEN they are happening) then we are in the lead.

morekaos said:
Data can be made to dance in many ways.  Torture it some more and the US doesn't come out on top all the time...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

In sum, then, Obama is wrong to say that ?this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.? Clearly it does happen elsewhere, and not in trivial numbers. Seven of the countries saw double-digit numbers of people killed in mass shootings during that period.

....We compared mass shooting incidents across countries is to calculate the number of victims per capita ? that is, adjusted for the country?s total population size.

Calculating it this way shows the United States in the upper half of the list of 11 countries, ranking higher than Australia, Canada, China, England, France, Germany and Mexico.

Still, the U.S. doesn?t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000).
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peppy said:
On a per capita base the US gets the benefit of diluting the incidents due to a fairly large population (one large massacre in Norway significantly raised the per capita rate in that Country). However, if we look at the frequency of these incidents (as in how OFTEN they are happening) then we are in the lead.

morekaos said:
Data can be made to dance in many ways.  Torture it some more and the US doesn't come out on top all the time...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

In sum, then, Obama is wrong to say that ?this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.? Clearly it does happen elsewhere, and not in trivial numbers. Seven of the countries saw double-digit numbers of people killed in mass shootings during that period.

....We compared mass shooting incidents across countries is to calculate the number of victims per capita ? that is, adjusted for the country?s total population size.

Calculating it this way shows the United States in the upper half of the list of 11 countries, ranking higher than Australia, Canada, China, England, France, Germany and Mexico.

Still, the U.S. doesn?t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000).
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Have you noticed the number?  133?  Norway, Switzerland, and Finland has a total of 4 shootings..the numbers are complete skewed.

But yes...let's also ignore the list of country with serious gun control...all of which have significantly lower mass shooting rates, mass shooting victims (per 100,00), and just general homicide rate.
 
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