The 2020 Presidential Election

Kenkoko said:
Probably nobody has heard of Andrew Yang. But he is quietly gaining momentum. He probably lacks the charisma and the right skin color to win but people should take his ideas seriously.

I think Universal Basic Income (UBI) and Value added tax will be a major issue for 2020 election.
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That guy is going to be the flavor of the month just like Herman Kaine and Bobby Jindal or Carly Fiorina.  They each saw a sudden early surge but eventually were swallowed up by the Orange mass.  I expect the same will happen to the huge dem field. We will cycle through a few of these before its over.

Democratic debates are coming up, with dark horses poised to share the spotlight

Yang, 44, is a corporate lawyer who turned to startups and launched the nonprofit Venture for America, which seeks to "to revitalize American cities and communities through entrepreneurship." This is his first political race, and he has focused his campaign on preparing for increasing job losses because of automation and artificial intelligence. Yang?s campaign told the Daily Beast that the ranks of his ?Yang Gang? supporters started to surge after an appearance on the popular ?Joe Rogan Experience? podcast in February and continued. (The YouTube video of the interview has over 2 million views.)

Pro-Yang memes began to spread across social media platforms and message boards as interest grew in his UBI plan, which would provide $1,000 checks every month to every American over age 18. While some of that support for his plan has come from darker corners of the internet aligned with the so-called alt-right, Yang has not courted that support.

https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-yang-pete-buttigieg-democratic-debates-164137300.html
 
For those of you who think "its different this time" you haven't learned anything from the last Presidential election.  More and more I hear Pennsylvania will flip back...Ill remind you...

morekaos said:
Always two sides to every coin

Stumped by Trump?s success? Take a drive outside US cities

If you drive anywhere in Pennsylvania, from the turnpike to the old US routes to the dirt roads connecting small towns like Hooversville with ?bigger? small towns like Somerset, you might conclude that Donald Trump is ahead in this state by double digits.

Large signs, small signs, homemade signs, signs that wrap around barns, signs that go from one end of a fence to another dot the landscape with such frequency that, if you were playing the old-fashioned road-trip game of counting cows, you would hit 100 in just one small town like this one.

n Ruffsdale, I am pretty sure I saw more than 100 Trump signs.

It?s as if people here have not turned on the television to hear pundits drone on and on about how badly Trump is losing in Pennsylvania.

It?s not just visual: In interview after interview in all corners of the state, I?ve found that Trump?s support across the ideological spectrum remains strong. Democrats, Republicans, independents, people who have not voted in presidential elections for years ? they have not wavered in their support.

http://nypost.com/2016/08/22/stumped-by-trumps-success-take-a-drive-outside-us-cities/
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Then...and now...

Trump?s Pa. popularity no accident

There?s a reason why President Trump is becoming more popular in important Midwestern battleground states like Pennsylvania: Voters don?t want to lose the ongoing economic renaissance that is transforming their lives.

According to a recent opinion survey from The Wall Street Journal, the president ?cumulatively leads a generic Democratic opponent, 46 percent to 40 percent,? in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

The survey?s findings are not surprising, and it?s no small coincidence that those states are all thriving under the president?s pro-growth economic policies.

Indeed, Trump?s economic agenda has had a profound effect on Pennsylvania: The state?s 4.0 percent unemployment rate is now the lowest it?s been in nearly two decades, and the economy continues to add new jobs at a dizzying pace.

https://triblive.com/opinion/david-urban-trumps-pa-popularity-no-accident/
 
Irvinecommuter said:
So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.
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uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?
 
Kings said:
Irvinecommuter said:
So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.
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uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?
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The goalpost just keep moving...but again you don't actually care about objectivity or the media.  Just like libertarian do not actually care about liberty...they just care about being able to do whatever it is they want.

BTW...a number of the material allegations have been prove in the Steele Dossier:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/dossier-two-years-later/index.html
 
Irvinecommuter said:
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.
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Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can?t Flip Rust Belt States

He?s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he?s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he?s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890
 
morekaos said:
Irvinecommuter said:
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.
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Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can?t Flip Rust Belt States

He?s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he?s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he?s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890
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Why do you keep moving the goal post...you cited an article that stated that Trump is ahead in rust belt states when in fact it is the opposite. 

Now you confuse "history" with "lightning strikes"...just because something happened once, does not mean it will happen again.  And of course you continue to ignore the 2018 midterms in which Trump and the GOP lost in the Rust Belt states badly. 
 
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.
 
morekaos said:
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.
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Except everyone else realize that the 2018 midterm losses were pretty historical for Trump but sure.

Obama got elected in 2008 with +7.2% popular vote and +185 electoral votes....in 2012 he won with +3.9 and +126 electoral votes.  Obama's approval disapproval in 2012 was about +1% (48.6/47.3)

Trump got elected in 2016 with -2.1% popular vote and +77 electoral votes (most of those on razor thin margins in the rust belt).  Trump's current approval/disapproval is somewhere around -11/-12 (41/42% v 52/53)...how much margin of error do you think he has in 2020?
 
morekaos said:
A ton
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Why don't you just say that it's solely based upon your personal opinion rather than attempting to bring fake facts and non-logical explanation into it?  That will save everyone a lot of time.

 
IC - best to maybe just gloss over the nonsensical stuff in bold and purple font

On a different note ? read that Federal judges have ruled against the Trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years, an extraordinary record of legal defeat that has stymied large parts of the president?s agenda on the environment, immigration and other matters.

Thinking ? Right after Trump got elected, a bunch of resistance dollars started flowing toward groups like ACLU and news outlets, since liberals saw those institutions as the biggest checks on the presidency. In retrospect, I guess that seems like it was smart money?

then it went toward congressional candidates, which also turned out to smart money, and I assume now it?s going to presidential candidates, which is currently a crapshoot.

You have to wonder how different the first two years of the Trump presidency would have looked if hedge funds had been hollowing out the D.C. and New York press corps the same way as the rest of America?s newsrooms.

This is something one of my indian American consultant colleagues pointed out to me as happening in Indian democracy where the press has been made entirely supplicant to the govt. ? thats the type of setup trump wants I think.

 
Latest gem today from doofus in chief

on John McCain:

"I gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted" adding that as president he had to approve it.

"I didn't get a thank you," the President said.
 
As I said in another thread, any losses in the midterms are worth it. All we gave up was a weak position in one house which gives them a box to stand on and rant and rave, no real power. What we got was the injection of a poisonous virus that infected their party with childish, loud mouthed, socialists power hungry fools. Like the Matrix, the machine world can?t control the multiplying Smith?s. He soon will control their world. So far to the fringe that there is actually a Jexodus movement into the Republican Party. By election 2020, what?s left will be easy pickns for Trumps loyal, solid base. The virus will have hollowed out the old school Dems. Trump 2020!!
https://youtu.be/u9fjBnQSqr4

https://youtu.be/u9fjBnQSqr4
 
They have no idea how to control them.

Green New Deal fails Senate test vote as dozens of Democrats vote 'present'

The Green New Deal, a sweeping Democratic proposal for dealing with climate change, fell at the first hurdle Tuesday as the Senate failed to reach the 60 votes necessary to begin debate on the non-binding resolution, with 42 Democrats and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., voting "present."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-fails-senate-test-vote-as-dozens-of-democrats

They couldn?t even vote yes on it out of fear of being put on record. The children of the corn will demand scalps...let the battle be joined!

 
Man , the only one ranting and harassing everyone every day is you :)

Get a life beyond all this ? will do wonders for your health
 
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