Government Shutdown

fortune11 said:
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
?Nothing to see here ? ? kaos was saying the same thing before republicans got slapped in the face with a 40 seat loss in the house and a 9 point popular vote crushing defeat .

how'd the senate work out for you?

As expected

didn?t all the same polls that you guys keep dismissing, also call for Gop to keep the senate ? What changed ?

Do I really have to explain this to you - or you want to continue insulting everyone?s intelligence here

so you can dish it out but can't take it? funny!
 
morekaos said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Elections have consequences:

A Buzzfeed News report claims Mr Trump instructed Michael Cohen to lie about plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Cohen has been sentenced to jail for lying to Congress and other offences.

Mr Trump responded on Twitter by referring to Cohen's convictions and saying Cohen was lying about the Moscow project to "reduce his jail time".

Mr Trump has also previously denied ever directing his former lawyer to break the law.

The intelligence committee of the House of Representatives will investigate the claims, says its new chairman, Adam Schiff.

"The allegation that the President of the United States may have suborned perjury before our committee in an effort to curtail the investigation and cover up his business dealings with Russia is among the most serious to date," Mr Schiff wrote on Twitter.

"We will do what's necessary to find out if it's true," he added.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46915909

Four glaring problems with this fake news story...

1.  A Buzzfeed News report
2.  Michael Cohen
3.  Adam Schiff
4.  Russia

Other than that..totally believable

cue fake news media nervously saying "trump is finished" for the 40th time this year

BuzzFeed Reporter Admits He Hasn't Seen the Evidence He Cited in Trump Tower Report

BuzzFeed's Anthony Cormier is one half of the writing team that published the bombshell report about the Trump Tower project in Moscow Thursday. In it, the authors allege that President Trump told his former lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to the FBI about the timeline of the construction project. The report cites "sources," sans names, but on CNN, Cormier insisted that those individuals check out and that he's "100 percent" sure their story is accurate.

On the other hand, he told Alisyn Camerota that he has "not personally" seen the evidence he cited in the report. But, he said, ?the folks we have talked to ? two officials we have spoken to are fully, 100 percent read into that aspect of the Special Counsel?s investigation.?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/01/18/buzzfeed-reporter-admits-he-hasnt-seen-the-evidence-he-cited-in-trump-tower-report-n2539263

"it's 100% accurate....but i haven't seen the report personally!"

;D ;D ;D
 
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
?Nothing to see here ? ? kaos was saying the same thing before republicans got slapped in the face with a 40 seat loss in the house and a 9 point popular vote crushing defeat .

how'd the senate work out for you?

As expected

didn?t all the same polls that you guys keep dismissing, also call for Gop to keep the senate ? What changed ?

Do I really have to explain this to you - or you want to continue insulting everyone?s intelligence here

so you can dish it out but can't take it? funny!

Take what ? The garbage comments that dont make any sense ?  When did I say dems were going to win the senate ? Which mainstream poll said that ?
 
Yes the shutdown will finish him!...yah, that's the ticket..

How many times have the media yelled doomsday since 2016?

Mark Zandi predicted that 3.5 million jobs would be lost and unemployment would go up 7% when Trump took office.  He was 100% wrong.  During Trump's first two years, there are around 4.8 million new jobs, and the current unemployment rate is 3.9%

Zandi said the policies would help only the super-rich and the rest of us would be worse off.  Again, he was 100% wrong as all races, both sexes, people of all education levels, and all classes have been helped.

When they were supporting Hillary for president, they said the economy would collapse if Trump's policies took effect.  They were 100% wrong.

On election night when Trump won, Paul Krugman and others said the stock market and the economy would collapse. They were 100% wrong.

When Trump was talking tough on North Korea, there were predictions of doom and World War III.  They were 100% wrong, as Kim has started talking with South Korea and is not currently threatening Japan or other neighbors.

When Trump pulled out of the Iran agreement, we were told it would be a disaster.  They were wrong, as deaths from terrorism worldwide were down in both 2017 and 2018.  The media should have predicted doom when Obama built up the tyrants in the terrorist-sponsoring Iran that still pledges death to America and Israel, but instead, they ignorantly cheered.

When Trump threatened to pull out of NAFTA if we didn't get a better deal, we heard how bad that was.  The predictions of doom were 100% wrong.

When Trump pulled out of the TPP, we were told that trade would be harmed.  They were 100% wrong, as exports and imports are both up substantially since we pulled out.

When Trump slapped tariffs on China, we were told how harmful it would be to our economy and how inflationary the tariffs would be to the overall economy.  The predictions of doom and inflation have been 100% wrong.

When Trump kept his word to move the embassy to Jerusalem, we were told how dangerous it would be.  It appears the predictions of danger were 100% wrong.

When Trump and Republicans repealed the individual mandate penalty of Obamacare, we were told rates would skyrocket.  The predictions were 100% wrong, as rates have stabilized.  Isn't it amazing how freedom of choice and competition work?

The biggest prediction of doom was of when Trump pulled out of the idiotic Paris Climate Accord.  We were told how damaging that would be.

How many times over the last 120 years have the doomsters gone back and forth, predicting disaster from either cooling or warming?  How many times were we running out of food?  How many times did we have only a few years left to solve the problem?  How many times have the oceans and species died?  Every prediction of doom so far has been 100% wrong

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/how_many_times_has_the_media_predicted_doom_because_of_trump_and_how_many_times_have_they_been_dead_wrong.html#ixzz5czdUgFrW

https://youtu.be/Dq-uVpEsezQ

https://youtu.be/Dq-uVpEsezQ
 
fortune11 said:
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
?Nothing to see here ? ? kaos was saying the same thing before republicans got slapped in the face with a 40 seat loss in the house and a 9 point popular vote crushing defeat .

how'd the senate work out for you?

As expected

didn?t all the same polls that you guys keep dismissing, also call for Gop to keep the senate ? What changed ?

Do I really have to explain this to you - or you want to continue insulting everyone?s intelligence here

so you can dish it out but can't take it? funny!

Take what ? The garbage comments that dont make any sense ?  When did I say dems were going to win the senate ? Which mainstream poll said that ?

a conversation with any normal person who isn't so emotionally invested in this whole thing like you are would go as follows:

"we won the house, got you guys real good there!"

"oh yeah, well how'd the senate work out for you?"

"baby steps, we're coming for you!"

"we'll see about that in 2020!"

if you're looking for an "intellectual discussion" then you shouldn't lead with "we smacked you guys down by 40 seats", which is yesteryear's news 10x over
 
morekaos said:
Yes the shutdown will finish him!...yah, that's the ticket..

How many times have the media yelled doomsday since 2016?

Mark Zandi predicted that 3.5 million jobs would be lost and unemployment would go up 7% when Trump took office.  He was 100% wrong.  During Trump's first two years, there are around 4.8 million new jobs, and the current unemployment rate is 3.9%

Zandi said the policies would help only the super-rich and the rest of us would be worse off.  Again, he was 100% wrong as all races, both sexes, people of all education levels, and all classes have been helped.

When they were supporting Hillary for president, they said the economy would collapse if Trump's policies took effect.  They were 100% wrong.

On election night when Trump won, Paul Krugman and others said the stock market and the economy would collapse. They were 100% wrong.

When Trump was talking tough on North Korea, there were predictions of doom and World War III.  They were 100% wrong, as Kim has started talking with South Korea and is not currently threatening Japan or other neighbors.

When Trump pulled out of the Iran agreement, we were told it would be a disaster.  They were wrong, as deaths from terrorism worldwide were down in both 2017 and 2018.  The media should have predicted doom when Obama built up the tyrants in the terrorist-sponsoring Iran that still pledges death to America and Israel, but instead, they ignorantly cheered.

When Trump threatened to pull out of NAFTA if we didn't get a better deal, we heard how bad that was.  The predictions of doom were 100% wrong.

When Trump pulled out of the TPP, we were told that trade would be harmed.  They were 100% wrong, as exports and imports are both up substantially since we pulled out.

When Trump slapped tariffs on China, we were told how harmful it would be to our economy and how inflationary the tariffs would be to the overall economy.  The predictions of doom and inflation have been 100% wrong.

When Trump kept his word to move the embassy to Jerusalem, we were told how dangerous it would be.  It appears the predictions of danger were 100% wrong.

When Trump and Republicans repealed the individual mandate penalty of Obamacare, we were told rates would skyrocket.  The predictions were 100% wrong, as rates have stabilized.  Isn't it amazing how freedom of choice and competition work?

The biggest prediction of doom was of when Trump pulled out of the idiotic Paris Climate Accord.  We were told how damaging that would be.

How many times over the last 120 years have the doomsters gone back and forth, predicting disaster from either cooling or warming?  How many times were we running out of food?  How many times did we have only a few years left to solve the problem?  How many times have the oceans and species died?  Every prediction of doom so far has been 100% wrong

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/how_many_times_has_the_media_predicted_doom_because_of_trump_and_how_many_times_have_they_been_dead_wrong.html#ixzz5czdUgFrW

https://youtu.be/Dq-uVpEsezQ

https://youtu.be/Dq-uVpEsezQ

i literally died from the tax cuts
 
Right there , the second you get exposed or called out for b/s  , we are now going to hide behind ? intellectualism?  . Don?t worry , you are not the first one on this forum to do that.

Yes it is ?emotional ? to suddenly turn on a dime and believe in the economy and stock market and winning and everything when your party or specifically trump is in charge .

See I fixed that for you. No token smiley face for you this time
 
Irvinecommuter said:
irvinehomeowner said:
So does this mean the country can run fine without government? :)

Give it a few weeks.

Mulvaney is ?hacking ? it to keep the patchwork going as far as he can  but it is costing .1 percent of gdp per week in just base effects , without even accounting for the multiplier .

Like I said , stocks will start to notice if this extends into Feb
 
Irvinecommuter said:
I am curious whether Trumpsters supporters would stop their support and agree to impeach Trump if the Cohen report is accurate. 

...and what if it?s just another slanderous fake news lie?

Mueller?s office disputes BuzzFeed account of Trump ordering Cohen to lie to Congress

Mueller?s office, however, issued a rare public statement disputing the BuzzFeed account.
?BuzzFeed?s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel?s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen?s Congressional testimony are not accurate,? Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, said in the statement released Friday evening.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-cohen-trump-lie-20190118-story.html?outputType=amp
 
The Mueller statement talks about the ?characterization? being wrong, not the content. This isn't a sweeping "no."

They declined comment on the front end and issued a wordsmithed statement.

Relax and enjoy your weekend
 
morekaos said:
Irvinecommuter said:
I am curious whether Trumpsters supporters would stop their support and agree to impeach Trump if the Cohen report is accurate. 

...and what if it?s just another slanderous fake news lie?

Mueller?s office disputes BuzzFeed account of Trump ordering Cohen to lie to Congress

Mueller?s office, however, issued a rare public statement disputing the BuzzFeed account.
?BuzzFeed?s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel?s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen?s Congressional testimony are not accurate,? Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, said in the statement released Friday evening.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-cohen-trump-lie-20190118-story.html?outputType=amp

hahahahahahahhahahahaha

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It?s clear by Trump?s action that he doesn?t care about the American people.
1. Government workers not getting paid during the shut down. Which include federal law enforcement.
2. The GI benefits were not paid to the recipients.
3. Terrifs - hurting American farmers, American businesses profits

Is this American first? I guess it?s the same like when he mentioned drain the swamp. All I have to say is Scott P
 
The rumor on the street. Trump is going to talk about funding for the wall in exchange for DACA.

Trump blinked first!
 
DACA has always been on the table, he has always been willing to use that chip, the Dems will reject it. He?ll call them on it, this works to his advantage.
 
morekaos said:
DACA has always been on the table, he has always been willing to use that chip, the Dems will reject it. He?ll call them on it, this works to his advantage.

Poll numbers are down. He cares about the poll numbers more than you can imagine. The other rumor is he complaining that Democrats are winning the showdown.



 
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
DACA has always been on the table, he has always been willing to use that chip, the Dems will reject it. He?ll call them on it, this works to his advantage.

Poll numbers are down. He cares about the poll numbers more than you can imagine. The other rumor is he complaining that Democrats are winning the showdown.

If your rumor is correct , then it is a win for Dems with their base .  Stupid thing is trump had the exact same deal on the table last year and he walked away from it . 

Just like with trade talks and North Korea and etc etc he is the dimmest negotiator we have ever seen . It is as if he wants to continue narrowing his base to the tiniest possible . His true base really is the Jesus crowd (evangelicals) .
 
fortune11 said:
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
DACA has always been on the table, he has always been willing to use that chip, the Dems will reject it. He?ll call them on it, this works to his advantage.

Poll numbers are down. He cares about the poll numbers more than you can imagine. The other rumor is he complaining that Democrats are winning the showdown.

If your rumor is correct , then it is a win for Dems with their base .  Stupid thing is trump had the exact same deal on the table last year and he walked away from it . 

Just like with trade talks and North Korea and etc etc he is the dimmest negotiator we have ever seen . It is as if he wants to continue narrowing his base to the tiniest possible . His true base really is the Jesus crowd (evangelicals) .

Ha

The other rumor is: It?s getting knocked down by Dems before Trump goes to airwaves. Nonstarter
 
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