Masks?

You don't post on social media because you would get lambasted for what you think "flattening the curve" is. :)

I don't think anyone on TI agrees with your viewpoint that it only delays deaths and that it would be the same number regardless. If so, it's only to spite me, but they know the real science... or why would every medical-related person in the world recommend it?

Did you find that article that says flattening the curve just delays the number of deaths?

This would be like me saying that lockdowns don't hurt the economy... it just pauses it. :)

 
As IUSD considers a hybrid model, will they require all staff and students to wear NON-valved masks (ie. masks WITHOUT exhalation valves).

"As you inhale, the incoming air is filtered. As you exhale, the outgoing mixture of carbon dioxide, oxygen, water vapor and, yes, possibly COVID-19 viral particles releases unfiltered. The San Francisco Department of Public Health actually tweeted a warning that these masks ?may actually propel your germs further."  https://healthnewshub.org/health-ne...with-a-filtered-valve-it-can-spread-covid-19/
 
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?
 
zubs said:
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would we have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?
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Because he wants to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. :)
 
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=436&v=0Tp0zB904Mc&feature=emb_logo
 
Does anyone know where one can buy some legitimate kn95 (or even kn94) masks? There's a ton of different listings on Amazon, but almost all of them have concerns in the reviews about counterfeit distribution & quality issues?

 
eddieuclabruin said:
Does anyone know where one can buy some legitimate kn95 (or even kn94) masks? There's a ton of different listings on Amazon, but almost all of them have concerns in the reviews about counterfeit distribution & quality issues?
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Check out slickdeals. Decent amount of objective reviews regarding masks.
For example super thin masks do not buy, ordered this before this is a good deal.
I basically go there for the deals.
 
MASKS ARE WORTHLESS
But Virtue Posturers, primarily Leftists who adore Joe Biden, wear them and swear by them.

Massive Danish study on surgical masks found no statistically significant benefit against Covid-19

November 18, 2020

Most Western elites are telegraphing the message that we will be forced to cover our humanity with cheap Chinese face burkas indefinitely. They are mandating that even two-year-olds must wear masks. The long-term effects on the lungs, emotional and behavioral problems, and development of infants and toddlers is enormous. For such an unconstitutional invasion of personal liberty, they are responsible to show us some amazing degree of effectiveness of this cultish ritual. In fact, the data show the opposite.




The much-vaunted Danish mask study was finally published today in the prestigious Annals of Internal Medicine. Now we know why three medical journals were so averse to publishing its findings. The study completely obliterates the cultish devotion to masks. The results of this massive real-life controlled experiment show that the group that wore surgical masks in April experienced a 0.38% lower infection rate than the control group that did not wear masks. That is about one-third of one percent, which is so low that it could just be statistically random variances that demonstrate no definitive efficacy even to that infinitesimal level.



"The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use," concluded the authors. "The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection."



There was a total of roughly 3,000 people in each group of the study, which would make this the largest study ever conducted on the efficacy of mask-wearing. In October, Berlingske, Denmark's oldest operating daily newspaper, reported that three major journals ? JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, and Lancet ? refused to publish the study.

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A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was ?0.3 percentage point (95% CI, ?1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.
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Lol.

 
Most Western elites are telegraphing the message that we will be forced to cover our humanity with cheap Chinese face burkas indefinitely.
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Wow 2 mentions of racism in the opening sentence, sounds like a peer reviewed epic breakthrough.

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Well there goes the double mask trope...why believe anything that they say?...

Fauci says 'there?s no data that indicates' double masks work after saying otherwise last week

Dr. Anthony Fauci said there?s no evidence showing two masks are safer than wearing one, despite saying otherwise last week.

?There?s nothing wrong with that, but there?s no data that indicates that that is going to make a difference,? Fauci said during a video livestream interview with the American Federation of Teachers.

Fauci on double masking:

?There?s no data that indicates that that is going to make a difference? pic.twitter.com/ptVivQfuwt

His comments come after saying last week that wearing two face masks ?likely? provides more protection than wearing just one mask.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anthony-fauci-masks-double

and now Slo-Joe waves his magic wand that he campaigned on to ....

Biden administration explores sending face masks to all Americans

WASHINGTON ? President Joe Biden?s administration is exploring sending protective face masks directly to all Americans to help fight the spread of COVID-19 after former President Donald Trump scrapped the same initiative last year.

?We want to get this back on track,? White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain said Thursday in an interview on NBC. ?We?re looking at what can be done to quickly do this with the mask supplies that we have. I hope in the next few days or next week, we can perhaps announce some progress on this.?

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-explores-sending-face-160424087.html

Sure...that is leadership...Puleeeez!!!
 
Why is it so difficult for you to understand levels of evidence?

Fauci said it was 'likely' to be more efficacious to double up.

Fauci said the data is not definitive (ie not rigorously proven).

Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger
 
freedomcm said:
Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger
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Masks are a way to reduce risk of disease spread.  If one reduces the risk, sure, perhaps two reduces the risk more.  Is there double blind placebo controlled statistically significant peer reviewed science that is a fair representation of common real world scenarios to prove this?  No.  Is there downside to wearing two masks?  Maybe.  Maybe not.

Risk tolerance is a personal preference.  There is a cost/benefit associated with wearing a mask (or two masks).  Some people do not perceive a enough benefit to wearing a mask (or two) to outweigh the cost of wearing it.  No mask (or only one) doesn't make someone a "conspiracy winger".  Now maybe a non-mask wearer is in fact a conspiracy winger, but conspiracy wingers and no mask / one mask wearers are not 100% overlapping groups.  Covid has divided us more than ever.  Name calling will make it worse.

There is no such thing as a risk free life.  Risk mitigation has trade offs.  We're not all going to agree on every risk mitigation strategy.  We don't need to force or shame other people for not living their life according to our own points of view.  We all think differently, have been shaped by different experiences, have different biological make ups, etc.  We are all better off letting go of resentment, finding common ground, and moving forward with our lives.  We're all humans first and we're just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones. 

Death will claim all of us one day.  Perhaps we're best served making the most out of our limited time by being kind to one another and giving others the courtesy of perusing their own version of happiness.
 
someguy said:
freedomcm said:
Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger
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Masks are a way to reduce risk of disease spread.  If one reduces the risk, sure, perhaps two reduces the risk more.  Is there double blind placebo controlled statistically significant peer reviewed science that is a fair representation of common real world scenarios to prove this?  No.  Is there downside to wearing two masks?  Maybe.  Maybe not.

Risk tolerance is a personal preference.  There is a cost/benefit associated with wearing a mask (or two masks).  Some people do not perceive a enough benefit to wearing a mask (or two) to outweigh the cost of wearing it.  No mask (or only one) doesn't make someone a "conspiracy winger".  Now maybe a non-mask wearer is in fact a conspiracy winger, but conspiracy wingers and no mask / one mask wearers are not 100% overlapping groups.  Covid has divided us more than ever.  Name calling will make it worse.

There is no such thing as a risk free life.  Risk mitigation has trade offs.  We're not all going to agree on every risk mitigation strategy.  We don't need to force or shame other people for not living their life according to our own points of view.  We all think differently, have been shaped by different experiences, have different biological make ups, etc.  We are all better off letting go of resentment, finding common ground, and moving forward with our lives.  We're all humans first and we're just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones. 

Death will claim all of us one day.  Perhaps we're best served making the most out of our limited time by being kind to one another and giving others the courtesy of perusing their own version of happiness.
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I am sorry name calling is nothing compared to getting sick of covid. You say death will claim us one day. But I will try my best to be safe from Covid.

The common ground is wear a fuc#ing mask. (Pardon my French)
All the lies and misinformation that comes from one group is a shame. The old party of family values and morals turned into a cult? Idk 
 
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