EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles

[morekaos]

Of course Georgia Senator Warnock is going to ask for an extension. He?s a Woke liberal trying to save himself by virtue signaling his woke constituents. It won?t work, after he?s booted from office all those credits are going to get revoked.

 

[AW]

Honestly I feel EV should win us over by its advantages over ICE, like convenience to charge at home, instant torque and less maintenance , but infrastructure should catch up and for people who have range anxiety or worry about the toxic impact of battery manufacturing or disposal, ICE is still a good alternative; wish it is not being pushed and forced upon us with government subsidies and regulations.

100%. Strip away the whole climate change green argument and let the product stand on its own merits. I?m not taking away from the positives but let the market decide if it?s viable and necessary.

100%.  Let's strip away the $ trillions of fossil fuel subsidies and see what you get.

Let's take a look at other top GDP countries:
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

Let's take a look at fuel prices worldwide:
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

The other top 10 GDP countries are paying ~30% more on fuel

Current CA fuel prices:
https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA

add another 30% on top of it, and your ford bronco takes nearly $300 to fuel up.... ouch
> :'( 8) :

 

[irvinehomeowner]

EV?s lack most of those.

More disinformation.

Please stop posting here until you get more educated.. you're just spamming now.

Really? Starting with just pricing and availability you refute those yourself in previous posts. Every other thing on that list is lacking in a product that is so new and so unreliable and without adequate support in place to keep those things moving. That?s a simple observation and a fact

Not really... I told you about the Bolt and its affordability. There are quite a few models that are affordable too, and many other posters have talked about the convenience and reliability... you just keep ignoring the posts.

I made another thread for you to spew your falsehoods... please keep your propaganda there so we can continue an educated EV discussion here with those who actually know about them.

 

[AW]

EV?s lack most of those.

More disinformation.

Please stop posting here until you get more educated.. you're just spamming now.

Really? Starting with just pricing and availability you refute those yourself in previous posts. Every other thing on that list is lacking in a product that is so new and so unreliable and without adequate support in place to keep those things moving. That?s a simple observation and a fact

Oil has been around for such a long time and subsidized for so long (trillions upon trillions).  Renewables are at it's infancy.

You should be thanking us for taking up renewables, solar so we don't put strain on the grid, less brown out, black outs.  No need for us to clog the costco fuel lines.  You're welcome!

 

[morekaos]

All For it!  strip away all of the direct subsidies. But also strip down the overtaxation. Increase production. Build new refineries pipe lines and yes, drill baby drill!

 

[morekaos]

EV?s lack most of those.

More disinformation.

Please stop posting here until you get more educated.. you're just spamming now.

Really? Starting with just pricing and availability you refute those yourself in previous posts. Every other thing on that list is lacking in a product that is so new and so unreliable and without adequate support in place to keep those things moving. That?s a simple observation and a fact

Not really... I told you about the Bolt and its affordability. There are quite a few models that are affordable too, and many other posters have talked about the convenience and reliability... you just keep ignoring the posts.

I made another thread for you to spew your falsehoods... please keep your propaganda there so we can continue an educated EV discussion here with those who actually know about them.

Well, reality has a funny way of crimping your story. I also told you that I contacted at least three dealerships and not one of them had an available model on site. The wait list was almost 3 to 4 months and the MSRP was over $60,000. Facts on the ground are a hard thing when you deal in unicorns and rainbows

 

[AW]

All For it!  strip away all of the direct subsidies. But also strip down the overtaxation. Increase production. Build new refineries pipe lines and yes, drill baby drill!

True that.  But if that's the case, EV adoption will increase at a higher rate, who wants to pay $300 per fill up, and then there's no need for more refineries, so no point in drilling. 
:-X :-X :-X

 

[AW]

EV?s lack most of those.

More disinformation.

Please stop posting here until you get more educated.. you're just spamming now.

Really? Starting with just pricing and availability you refute those yourself in previous posts. Every other thing on that list is lacking in a product that is so new and so unreliable and without adequate support in place to keep those things moving. That?s a simple observation and a fact

Not really... I told you about the Bolt and its affordability. There are quite a few models that are affordable too, and many other posters have talked about the convenience and reliability... you just keep ignoring the posts.

I made another thread for you to spew your falsehoods... please keep your propaganda there so we can continue an educated EV discussion here with those who actually know about them.

Well, reality has a funny way of crimping your story. I also told you that I contacted at least three dealerships and not one of them had an available model on site. The wait list was almost 3 to 4 months and the MSRP was over $60,000. Facts on the ground are a hard thing when you deal in unicorns and rainbows

So you're obviously anti EV big time, yet you call to buy an EV and call in to get a quote to install a level 2 charger?  L o L  smells like manure...

 

[morekaos]

All For it!  strip away all of the direct subsidies. But also strip down the overtaxation. Increase production. Build new refineries pipe lines and yes, drill baby drill!

True that.  But if that's the case, EV adoption will increase at a higher rate, who wants to pay $300 per fill up, and then there's no need for more refineries, so no point in drilling. 
:-X :-X :-X

Actually, if that really is the case then oil will settle back down again into the 60s and gas will return to 2 to 3 dollars a gallon so no it won?t cost 300 to fill up my truck. And actually I am not anti-EV, I?m anti- wasted money when it comes to the government spending my hard earned tax dollars on unicorns and rainbows

 

[irvinehomeowner]

EV?s lack most of those.

More disinformation.

Please stop posting here until you get more educated.. you're just spamming now.

Really? Starting with just pricing and availability you refute those yourself in previous posts. Every other thing on that list is lacking in a product that is so new and so unreliable and without adequate support in place to keep those things moving. That?s a simple observation and a fact

Not really... I told you about the Bolt and its affordability. There are quite a few models that are affordable too, and many other posters have talked about the convenience and reliability... you just keep ignoring the posts.

I made another thread for you to spew your falsehoods... please keep your propaganda there so we can continue an educated EV discussion here with those who actually know about them.

Well, reality has a funny way of crimping your story. I also told you that I contacted at least three dealerships and not one of them had an available model on site. The wait list was almost 3 to 4 months and the MSRP was over $60,000. Facts on the ground are a hard thing when you deal in unicorns and rainbows

I responded to this falsehood already. Not going to respond again with the details... you're just too dense to do it properly. There are several EVs you can get now that are less than $60k.

 

[morekaos]

That was for the bolt. Lack of availability and pricing above where you think it is.  Real world reasons not to believe in unicorns and rainbows

 

[AW]

All For it!  strip away all of the direct subsidies. But also strip down the overtaxation. Increase production. Build new refineries pipe lines and yes, drill baby drill!

True that.  But if that's the case, EV adoption will increase at a higher rate, who wants to pay $300 per fill up, and then there's no need for more refineries, so no point in drilling. 
:-X :-X :-X

Actually, if that really is the case then oil will settle back down again into the 60s and gas will return to 2 to 3 dollars a gallon so no it won?t cost 300 to fill up my truck. And actually I am not anti-EV, I?m anti- wasted money when it comes to the government spending my hard earned tax dollars on unicorns and rainbows

UK doesn't subsidize fossil fuel, they're over $8/gallon
> 8) :

 

[morekaos]

But they tax the crap out it!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

That was for the bolt. Lack of availability and pricing above where you think it is.  Real world reasons not to believe in unicorns and rainbows

Again showing your ignorance. I'm actively shopping EVs so I have more of an idea of supply and cost than your 3 make-believe phone calls (it was one phone call last time you told your story... so you must be a fisherman).

Supply constraints are for ALL vehicles, ICE or EV so you're using a false narrative... and if markups are higher on EVs... that just shot down your market demand argument.

Stop trying to argue with imaginary facts.

 

[morekaos]

The mark ups are far above the $50,000 price point that you say exists. I made three phone calls for fun and to prove a point. It won?t matter anyway by the first of the year all the subsidies in Bidens inflation reduction bill will be struck down. Again, I?m not anti-EV, if you want to buy an EV go for it ?.I just don?t wanna be forced to help you

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Total disaster?like socialism?looks good on paper but just doesn?t work in real life?my Bronco tows more than an old truck all day any day?drill baby drill!! ;D ;D >

?Complete And Total Disaster?: YouTuber Drives Electric Ford Truck, Recounts Disastrous Results

Yet another electric vehicle disaster is making the rounds on the internet, this time as a YouTuber with over 1.4 million followers tried towing an ancient 1930s Ford Model A truck with a contemporary Ford F-150 Lightning electric pickup. Despite setting the bar ridiculously low ? he just wanted to tow it just over 100 miles round trip ? the entire experiment failed in a spectacularly ?complete and total disaster.?

Youtuber Tyler Hoover says in the video, seen below, that ?f a truck towing 3,500 pounds can?t even go 100 miles ? that is ridiculously stupid. He then highlights the basic argument against EVs. ?This truck can?t do normal truck things. You would be stopping every hour to recharge, which would take about 45 minutes a pop, and that is absolutely not practical.?

Unsurprisingly, the trip got off to a worse-than-expected start. Hoover had fully charged the vehicle in preparation, only to watch the battery life drain out faster than a gas leak. As he was ?pulling out my neighborhood,? the EV had already lost three miles of range despite traveling less than a mile. Then, after arriving driving for just 32 miles the vehicle had already lost an estimated 68 miles of range.

It only got worse from there, as a warning was soon triggered for low batter. ?Are you kidding me?? Hoover can be heard reacting. ?That?s almost 90 miles of range in 30 miles. Are you serious? That?s nuts. What a joke.?

https://youtu.be/3nS0Fdayj8Y

See.. other uneducated people jumped on that video just like morekaos which is why Tyler had to apologize for it:
https://insideevs.com/news/614253/youtuber-hoovie-discusses-ford-lightning-towing-controversy/

He has now followed it up and admits his video went viral because it had a negative headline about a truck that performed below expectations, pointing to similar videos that showed the Lightning performing much better in a towing test that had far fewer views. He explains that since there was an element of clickbait to his headline and thumbnail (and the words ?Fail? or "Disaster"), the video was even picked up by news outlets.

Some of these publications had political leanings and ended up spinning the information presented by Tyler to promote their own agendas, although they did not distort. Tyler says he believes his video got one of the biggest pushes after it was featured on Info Wars and Alex Jones actually reacted to the video live during his show, although he didn?t really seem to get any of the facts straight.

It was pretty clear Jones wanted to bash the F-150 Lightning, and he was willing to resort to made-up facts that Tyler Hoover never even alluded to in his video. Yes, it was a video where the Lightning lost range a lot quicker than the host was expecting and this made him declare the towing test a failure, but he never criticizes the trucks torque or performance.

In fact, the video is mostly positive, and the F-150 Lightning made the load it was hauling feel insignificant as it didn?t really seem to dent its performance. Ford has been in contact with Tyler and he reportedly apologized to the manufacturer for publishing the video and framing everything the way he did.

Just goes to who how people who don't know... shouldn't be talking.

That's the problem with the Internet and our ex-prez... it empowered a lot of misinformation.

 

[OCtoSV]

That was for the bolt. Lack of availability and pricing above where you think it is.  Real world reasons not to believe in unicorns and rainbows

Again showing your ignorance. I'm actively shopping EVs so I have more of an idea of supply and cost than your 3 make-believe phone calls (it was one phone call last time you told your story... so you must be a fisherman).

Supply constraints are for ALL vehicles, ICE or EV so you're using a false narrative... and if markups are higher on EVs... that just shot down your market demand argument.

Stop trying to argue with imaginary facts.

The Bolt is a joke - who would want to drive that swollen Smart Car?

What I find especially funny is the administration's climate policies, which have zero chance of impacting the climate without China signing on, are resulting in what I think are permanently elevated gas prices, especially in CA given the special blend reqs that make many existing refineries unprofitable, and a rush to ramp up domestic EV production which will completely bankrupt all the legacy auto mfrs as only Tesla has a profitable EV business and they have 10 year contracts for many of the key raw materials. GM has a chance if they can get the huge lithium mine in the Salton Sea ramped up, but where will they get the software talent to compete? The end result will be a gutted US auto mfg sector and a rollback of the policies once the end result comes into view.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

The mark ups are far above the $50,000 price point that you say exists. I made three phone calls for fun and to prove a point. It won?t matter anyway by the first of the year all the subsidies in Bidens inflation reduction bill will be struck down. Again, I?m not anti-EV, if you want to buy an EV go for it ?.I just don?t wanna be forced to help you

You're the one who made the price point threshold... and was wrong and still have not apologized for your mistake because you can't admit that you don't know what prices EVs are going for.

3 phone calls proves nothing... i have actual dealer quotes on different brands of EVs below $50k, I think I posted this already but that doesn't stop you from reposting:
https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/

Even if some of those had a $10k markup, they are still below $50k BEFORE any credits. And if they are marked up that high... what does that mean?

Please stay in your snowflakes thread... because you are sounding like one when it comes to EVs.

 

[morekaos]

Total disaster?like socialism?looks good on paper but just doesn?t work in real life?my Bronco tows more than an old truck all day any day?drill baby drill!! ;D ;D >

?Complete And Total Disaster?: YouTuber Drives Electric Ford Truck, Recounts Disastrous Results

Yet another electric vehicle disaster is making the rounds on the internet, this time as a YouTuber with over 1.4 million followers tried towing an ancient 1930s Ford Model A truck with a contemporary Ford F-150 Lightning electric pickup. Despite setting the bar ridiculously low ? he just wanted to tow it just over 100 miles round trip ? the entire experiment failed in a spectacularly ?complete and total disaster.?

Youtuber Tyler Hoover says in the video, seen below, that ?f a truck towing 3,500 pounds can?t even go 100 miles ? that is ridiculously stupid. He then highlights the basic argument against EVs. ?This truck can?t do normal truck things. You would be stopping every hour to recharge, which would take about 45 minutes a pop, and that is absolutely not practical.?

Unsurprisingly, the trip got off to a worse-than-expected start. Hoover had fully charged the vehicle in preparation, only to watch the battery life drain out faster than a gas leak. As he was ?pulling out my neighborhood,? the EV had already lost three miles of range despite traveling less than a mile. Then, after arriving driving for just 32 miles the vehicle had already lost an estimated 68 miles of range.

It only got worse from there, as a warning was soon triggered for low batter. ?Are you kidding me?? Hoover can be heard reacting. ?That?s almost 90 miles of range in 30 miles. Are you serious? That?s nuts. What a joke.?

https://youtu.be/3nS0Fdayj8Y

See.. other uneducated people jumped on that video just like morekaos which is why Tyler had to apologize for it:
https://insideevs.com/news/614253/youtuber-hoovie-discusses-ford-lightning-towing-controversy/

He has now followed it up and admits his video went viral because it had a negative headline about a truck that performed below expectations, pointing to similar videos that showed the Lightning performing much better in a towing test that had far fewer views. He explains that since there was an element of clickbait to his headline and thumbnail (and the words ?Fail? or "Disaster"), the video was even picked up by news outlets.

Some of these publications had political leanings and ended up spinning the information presented by Tyler to promote their own agendas, although they did not distort. Tyler says he believes his video got one of the biggest pushes after it was featured on Info Wars and Alex Jones actually reacted to the video live during his show, although he didn?t really seem to get any of the facts straight.

It was pretty clear Jones wanted to bash the F-150 Lightning, and he was willing to resort to made-up facts that Tyler Hoover never even alluded to in his video. Yes, it was a video where the Lightning lost range a lot quicker than the host was expecting and this made him declare the towing test a failure, but he never criticizes the trucks torque or performance.

In fact, the video is mostly positive, and the F-150 Lightning made the load it was hauling feel insignificant as it didn?t really seem to dent its performance. Ford has been in contact with Tyler and he reportedly apologized to the manufacturer for publishing the video and framing everything the way he did.

Just goes to who how people who don't know... shouldn't be talking.

That's the problem with the Internet and our ex-prez... it empowered a lot of misinformation.

Watch that video again, there is nothing positive about it. Some Ford exec came down on his head and probably threaten to sue him but there is a little doubt that Pickup is a piece of junk. Misinformation about misinformation.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

The Bolt is a joke - who would want to drive that swollen Smart Car?

I would.

The Bolt EUV is roomier than one of our EVs and the new 2023 MSRP is less than $30k.

I also didn't think very much of the Bolt until I checked out my friend's and then also sat in the EUV at the OC Auto Show. I definitely recommend this as a starter commuter if you aren't looking for something really large. A friend of mine just paid $28k for a Toyota Corolla... she should have bought the Bolt instead.