2010 Woodbury/WB East New Home Collection

[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255913093]It is very obvious the designers of these homes adhered to the rules of feng shui judging from the majority of home buyers at Ivy. Although Asian population is 40% in Irvine the percentage of Asian buyers is much higher.



With that being said I would like IHBers to participate in the step by step plan review process. I found the best way to learn is actually doing it yourself.



First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.



Second rule: Toilet and bathroom above the front door are very bad also. Occupants regardless of age in such a house will face serious health issues.



Third Rule: Toilet over cooktop. Cuisine is the second to education for Chinese lifestyle priorities. Having shit over food meant that the family will not be able to eat in peace. (money hardship, emotional distress, and family quarrels)



Please post your findings.</blockquote>




real scientific man
 
[quote author="sad.machine" date=1256878637][quote author="bkshopr" date=1255913093]It is very obvious the designers of these homes adhered to the rules of feng shui judging from the majority of home buyers at Ivy. Although Asian population is 40% in Irvine the percentage of Asian buyers is much higher.



With that being said I would like IHBers to participate in the step by step plan review process. I found the best way to learn is actually doing it yourself.



First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.



Second rule: Toilet and bathroom above the front door are very bad also. Occupants regardless of age in such a house will face serious health issues.



Third Rule: Toilet over cooktop. Cuisine is the second to education for Chinese lifestyle priorities. Having shit over food meant that the family will not be able to eat in peace. (money hardship, emotional distress, and family quarrels)



Please post your findings.</blockquote>




real scientific man</blockquote>
Not everything in life needs to be based on science. Take for instance the elbow for the toilet drain fitting could come loose and foul water would drip on the ceiling drywall resulted in an unsightly brown stain. I certainly would not feel good staring at it or see it when I enter the home or cook. Yes, after fixing it the problem is gone but on the back of my mind I always will look up for future leaks. This compulsive behavior will interfere my concentration and especially if I had to sleep in a downstairs bedroom right below a upper toilet location.



Try to explain science to a quarter of the world's population, FCB, and one of the richest nation planning to buy us.
 
For those interested, the Carmel floorplans are now available to view on the website.



<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=neighborhood&Id=47">Carmel at Woodbury</a>
 
<A href="http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/05/oc-builder-gets-43-less-for-calif-homes/42643/">http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/05/oc-builder-gets-43-less-for-calif-homes/42643/</a>



In a conference call later today, company officials said also that Lyon Home?s Ivy development in Woodbury East has been so successful that they?ve raised the price and discontinued incentives. The Ivy attached townhomes, with prices starting below $400,000, was relaunched last summer after a delay caused by the housing slump.



?Sales actually continue to be good there,? one company official said. The prices for the homes have been increased by $10,000, he said
 
not necessarily science, but when you make a claim you should have some solid reasoning behind it. what you said about a loose pipe is reasonable. what you said here:



<blockquote>First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.</blockquote>


is superstition.





[quote author="bkshopr" date=1256880505][quote author="sad.machine" date=1256878637][quote author="bkshopr" date=1255913093]It is very obvious the designers of these homes adhered to the rules of feng shui judging from the majority of home buyers at Ivy. Although Asian population is 40% in Irvine the percentage of Asian buyers is much higher.



With that being said I would like IHBers to participate in the step by step plan review process. I found the best way to learn is actually doing it yourself.



First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.



Second rule: Toilet and bathroom above the front door are very bad also. Occupants regardless of age in such a house will face serious health issues.



Third Rule: Toilet over cooktop. Cuisine is the second to education for Chinese lifestyle priorities. Having shit over food meant that the family will not be able to eat in peace. (money hardship, emotional distress, and family quarrels)



Please post your findings.</blockquote>




real scientific man</blockquote>
Not everything in life needs to be based on science. Take for instance the elbow for the toilet drain fitting could come loose and foul water would drip on the ceiling drywall resulted in an unsightly brown stain. I certainly would not feel good staring at it or see it when I enter the home or cook. Yes, after fixing it the problem is gone but on the back of my mind I always will look up for future leaks. This compulsive behavior will interfere my concentration and especially if I had to sleep in a downstairs bedroom right below a upper toilet location.



Try to explain science to a quarter of the world's population, FCB, and one of the richest nation planning to buy us.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="pleasantville0001" date=1257481575]For those interested, the Carmel floorplans are now available to view on the website.



<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=neighborhood&Id=47">Carmel at Woodbury</a></blockquote>
Yeah, they had to because of their email blast today asking people to pre-register.



I checked them out and am not very impressed, I actually like the Sonoma ones better, they at least have a 5-br plan. I don't understand why people think they can't fit 5 bedrooms into a 2500+sft plan.



I look at these and compare them to other 2500-3000 sft plans and I have to wonder where all the space goes? They don't even have separate living/family rooms.
 
but the have a "nook" in the middle of the great room, surely that is worth (nothing) something!



plus, does each of the secondary bedrooms really need its own bathroom? can't kids share one for bedrooms 2 and 3? who is going to clean all those bathrooms?
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1257502353]but the have a "nook" in the middle of the great room, surely that is worth (nothing) something!



plus, does each of the secondary bedrooms really need its own bathroom? can't kids share one for bedrooms 2 and 3? who is going to clean all those bathrooms?</blockquote>


the plan 1 may sell well since it may be the only first floor master new home available in irvine.



for families the plan 3 carmel looks ok - i really like for the bedrooms to have their own bathrooms (it keeps things moving along in the morning rush) - the dining room really looks more like a library that a 2800sf home should have. that being said the sonoma plan 3 which is only 200sqft smaller and what looks like may be as much as $100k less is clearly the better home design and value - it lacks a home office but it has the open bonus room at the second floor which really makes that level feel nice. if you don't have a living room then you need another space somewhere in the home for you to escape to or for the kids to watch tv, play video games, etc. a "california room" (loggia/patio) is nice but it doesn't replace such rooms.



i think the nook between the open kitchen and family room is great! i love to watch tv while eating or to be able to keep an eye on the kids while hanging out in the kitchen.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1257497843][quote author="pleasantville0001" date=1257481575]For those interested, the Carmel floorplans are now available to view on the website.



<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=neighborhood&Id=47">Carmel at Woodbury</a></blockquote>
Yeah, they had to because of their email blast today asking people to pre-register.



I checked them out and am not very impressed, I actually like the Sonoma ones better, they at least have a 5-br plan. I don't understand why people think they can't fit 5 bedrooms into a 2500+sft plan.



I look at these and compare them to other 2500-3000 sft plans and I have to wonder where all the space goes? They don't even have separate living/family rooms.</blockquote>


On the Plan 3 Carmel you have the option of a bonus room on the 2nd floor. I suppose you can covert it later into a 5th bedroom. Only problem is there is no access to a bathroom from the hallway. I agree though, it isn't a very efficient design and I'd prefer a plan 3 Sonoma instead and save some $$$.
 
I imagine for any of the models that have California Rooms, buyers would opt for the option of an indoor space... much like many turned tandem garages into extra bedrooms or living spaces.



I think it's just more of a way for TIC to hike the price with minimal construction costs.



<em>"Oh, you want the Conservatory Room? That's another $25k."</em>
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1257497843][quote author="pleasantville0001" date=1257481575]For those interested, the Carmel floorplans are now available to view on the website.



<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=neighborhood&Id=47">Carmel at Woodbury</a></blockquote>
Yeah, they had to because of their email blast today asking people to pre-register.



I checked them out and am not very impressed, I actually like the Sonoma ones better, they at least have a 5-br plan. I don't understand why people think they can't fit 5 bedrooms into a 2500+sft plan.



I look at these and compare them to other 2500-3000 sft plans and I have to wonder where all the space goes? They don't even have separate living/family rooms.</blockquote>


IHO,



Here is your first quiz. What are the efficiency ratio for the plans? Make sure you show your math.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1257515329]IHO,



Here is your first quiz. What are the efficiency ratio for the plans? Make sure you show your math.</blockquote>
You may find this funny, but I did this for Sonoma when the floorplans were first available... I think they are in the high 70s or low 80s. I'll recalculate when I have time, I have your sf guide as a text file shortcut on my desktop.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1257550643][quote author="bkshopr" date=1257515329]IHO,



Here is your first quiz. What are the efficiency ratio for the plans? Make sure you show your math.</blockquote>
You may find this funny, but I did this for Sonoma when the floorplans were first available... I think they are in the high 70s or low 80s. I'll recalculate when I have time, I have your sf guide as a text file shortcut on my desktop.</blockquote>


Good student IHO.
 
This warrants a re-posting of BK's sf guide / efficiency ratio. Anyone remember what thread that was in so we can get a link?
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1257567047]This warrants a re-posting of BK's sf guide / efficiency ratio. Anyone remember what thread that was in so we can get a link?</blockquote>
Like I said... a shortcut of it on my desktop:

<blockquote>

Here is rule of thumb.



Garage laundry

1,060 sf = 2 master BRs / 2.5 ba

1,250 sf = 2BR+ loft /2.5 ba

1,450 sf = 3BR /2.5ba



All inside laundry

1,700 sf = 4BR / 3ba + Great Room

2,150 sf = 4BR/ 3ba + 5th BR down + Great Room

2,250 sf = separate formal dining + 4BR +Great Room



Formal Livings

2,300 sf = Separate family room + 4 BR

2,650 sf = Separate living, dining and family +4 BR + bonus



If any footage higher than posted and offers less rooms then you are buying an inefficient floor plan. High sellable footage but low livable space.



This is the BagOCheesePuff theory (fill up the bag fast but still there is nothing there to eat).



Take the Juliette Balcony plan with 5 BR posted at 3400 sf and create an efficiency ratio.



2,150sf/3,400 sf=63%



90%=A

80%=B

70%=C

60%=D

</blockquote>
BK is the awesome.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1257567732][quote author="SoCal78" date=1257567047]This warrants a re-posting of BK's sf guide / efficiency ratio. Anyone remember what thread that was in so we can get a link?</blockquote>
Like I said... a shortcut of it on my desktop:

<blockquote>

Here is rule of thumb.



Garage laundry

1,060 sf = 2 master BRs / 2.5 ba

1,250 sf = 2BR+ loft /2.5 ba

1,450 sf = 3BR /2.5ba



All inside laundry

1,700 sf = 4BR / 3ba + Great Room

2,150 sf = 4BR/ 3ba + 5th BR down + Great Room

2,250 sf = separate formal dining + 4BR +Great Room



Formal Livings

2,300 sf = Separate family room + 4 BR

2,650 sf = Separate living, dining and family +4 BR + bonus



If any footage higher than posted and offers less rooms then you are buying an inefficient floor plan. High sellable footage but low livable space.



This is the BagOCheesePuff theory (fill up the bag fast but still there is nothing there to eat).



Take the Juliette Balcony plan with 5 BR posted at 3400 sf and create an efficiency ratio.



2,150sf/3,400 sf=63%



90%=A

80%=B

70%=C

60%=D

</blockquote>
BK is the awesome.</blockquote>


perhaps you could run a bell curve for the grading scale - i think there are going to be too many bad grades...
 
introducing RC's great house!!



<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4083796906_cb92b5789b_o.jpg" alt="" />



what's the ratios on this now???
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1257661210]I think you are missing some walls and TIC would charge 400sf extra for the living space in the garage.</blockquote>


That's the point.. I wanted to be absurd with the Great Room concept...
 
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