bkshopr_IHB
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The idea of every front door greet the street has fallen apart with this enclave.
2010 Woodbury/WB East New Home Collection
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should have known, sundays the day to sneak into new construction... I was promptly asked to leave on a weekday... instead of playing woodbury paparazzi today, the kid and I caught the weekly impromptu soccer game at the commons... a group of about 30 mostly Hispanic players gather every Sunday morning to battle it out... very exciting action... I really wonder how many players are woodbury residences... it's too early for security to come check fob keys; besides it is public irvine park... all too funny... I bet no residence paying $400 in hoas ever step afoot on the soccer field...
I'd guess most likely it's going to be Prado'ed; the thing is I've never seen the plan 2 Andalusia in any of the Cal Pac developments before. I think it was developed just for this neighborhood. Maybe someone else has seen it? It could be the one one of a kind house in all of Irvine outside of Shady Canyon that isn't flamboyant, gaudy, disproportional, or scary.
Well said. When I walk through Woodbury, I'm always struck by how many different windows sizes one house can have. I think Stonetree Manor could have been beautiful with a symmetrical design. Look at the all the window sizes on that one in the top left hand corner. It's just overkill.
I may be wrong, but I think Andalusia was identical or similar to the Campanile "in-fill" project in North Park Square. I say in-fill because it was a land sale option for TUSD that they let expire and the project was started well after the rest of NPS was built out.
Andulusia was integrated as part of the original Woodbury Masterplan for the SE neighborhood of single family homes. SW(Cypress Square) and SE (Arbor Garden) Woodbury was almost identical to the way it was laid out. (like a mirror image centered on Keystone. (Keystone is a community entry street in the middle of WB's south side.) SW Woodbury consists of the single family detached neighborhoods of Mille Fleurs, Villa Rosa, and Portisol.
Most of Cal Pac's projects are very similar. I've seen many of theCampanile houses in other neighborhoods: NP, NWoodII, and QH. Plan 1 and plan 3 in Andalusia is nearly identical to the the plans at Portisol. (It would have been unfortunate, because the masterplan called for each sub-neighborhood to be unique.) I was only referring to the Plan 2 in Andalusia as one of a kind because I have never seen it before.
BK mentioned the Sienna homes in WE. Sienna was also a brand new product that never got launched beyond the model homes being built.
In Woodbury, only Montecito and Carmel would qualify in your description of an infill project. (though WB is yet to be built out) This was the site originally designated for a middle school.
You know I have a story on the house in the bottom left and right photos. I was out with one of my routine walks with the dog a couple of weeks ago when I walked pass this house. It was the former John Laing Stonetree plan 1 model home/ sales office. The house was completely lighted. There were 4 cars in the asphalt parking lot right off the glass doors of its former sales office/ dining room. For some reason I thought that Stonetree was resurrected. Stonetree Manor still had homes that were partially erected along Revival. I went up to see if I could get a brochure. When I got to the glass door I saw a family sitting on the couch watching TV, and a couple of women working up a meal in the kitchen. The model home with it's sales office, furniture, and parking lot was actually lived in! The cars parked in the lot were theirs I assume. I wondered if the family negotiated the sales parking lot as part of their purchase agreement?
BTW. Comparing the same project type of detached row houses. I think that even though Cachette is smaller compared to STM, its exterior is more understated and therefore makes for a more successful design.
Good observation in Andalusia there is a brand new plan. Cal Pac's pulling out of the home building business sure left a void in the industry.
In order to yield a profitable land residual Cal Pac's low footage for Andalusia and Sienna both would be bad candidates for BagOChips products. To make the selling price reach low $300 per sf by pumping up sf does not seem to be Cal Pac's MO when efficiency ratio drops.
Matchbox_IHB
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Made it over to Sonoma this morning. Here it is across from the park. There is a gap in the gate that the dog crawled through and I barely made in.
It looks like they rearranged the street layout in this part of the community since I last visited 6 months ago.
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It looks like they rearranged the street layout in this part of the community since I last visited 6 months ago.
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Matchbox_IHB
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The rear yards look tight for Sonoma. I would say about 6' from exterior wall to property line determined from the drop in grade. This is the rear of plan 3. You can see the California rooms here.
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Matchbox_IHB
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Front of Plan 3.
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Matchbox_IHB
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Plan 1 and 2 in the front. Wonder how they will detail the shear drop from the plan 1 second story to the garage facade.
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Matchbox_IHB
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The defunct Cal Pac Andulusia nearby. These 3 Andulusia model homes will stand alone among a community of Sonoma homes. Plan 1 of Andalusia depicted here. Its sad looking into a sales office that is fully furnished, never used, and just gathering dust. They are tearing it out to replace it with garage. These will be probably be the 3 homes with the largest lots in this part of the neighborhood. Wonder when they'll be up for sale?
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Matchbox_IHB
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Plan 2 in defunct Andulusia. Plan 3 of Andulusia is very similar to the third story plan 3 at Portisol.
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sc fan_IHB
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i like the new designs - they are a huge improvement over portisol which i feel was a step backwards from some of the developments built in irvine prior to portisol.
i think they will do well even without being gated or having good - big yards because they are priced to reflect the lack of those features;
if you are considering waiting take note that there are a couple insanely good deals out there for similar money in similarly located but gated northwood ii (check out the NW schools too):
check out this home in northwood II:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/27-Secret-Gdn-92620/home/5931525
it doesn't have the open kitchen dining family space that i love but the taxes are low, its gated and its already landscaped.
and for a little more money check out this home:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Antique-Rose-92620/home/5930987
I think these plans would do really well in laguna crossings, they'd probably be more for the better location. has anybody heard anything new about laguna crossings? will it be gated? will the lot sizes be better? will it have UNI high? when will they build it?
i think they will do well even without being gated or having good - big yards because they are priced to reflect the lack of those features;
if you are considering waiting take note that there are a couple insanely good deals out there for similar money in similarly located but gated northwood ii (check out the NW schools too):
check out this home in northwood II:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/27-Secret-Gdn-92620/home/5931525
it doesn't have the open kitchen dining family space that i love but the taxes are low, its gated and its already landscaped.
and for a little more money check out this home:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Antique-Rose-92620/home/5930987
I think these plans would do really well in laguna crossings, they'd probably be more for the better location. has anybody heard anything new about laguna crossings? will it be gated? will the lot sizes be better? will it have UNI high? when will they build it?
Gohabsgo_IHB
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SC, you should post the link of the home not of your search criteria.
roundcorners_IHB
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Matchbox said:
should have known, sundays the day to sneak into new construction... I was promptly asked to leave on a weekday... instead of playing woodbury paparazzi today, the kid and I caught the weekly impromptu soccer game at the commons... a group of about 30 mostly Hispanic players gather every Sunday morning to battle it out... very exciting action... I really wonder how many players are woodbury residences... it's too early for security to come check fob keys; besides it is public irvine park... all too funny... I bet no residence paying $400 in hoas ever step afoot on the soccer field...
Matchbox_IHB
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Just thought I'd post a photo of plan 3 over at Andalusia to give a complete picture of what the 6 homes currently look like in this currently walled off part of Woodbury.
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irvine_home_owner_IHB
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So is Andalusia going to be Prado'ed off like in Portola Springs?
(I'm reminded of Lost every time I say Andalusia... I must be saying it wrong)
(I'm reminded of Lost every time I say Andalusia... I must be saying it wrong)
Matchbox_IHB
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irvine_home_owner said:
I'd guess most likely it's going to be Prado'ed; the thing is I've never seen the plan 2 Andalusia in any of the Cal Pac developments before. I think it was developed just for this neighborhood. Maybe someone else has seen it? It could be the one one of a kind house in all of Irvine outside of Shady Canyon that isn't flamboyant, gaudy, disproportional, or scary.
bkshopr_IHB
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Cal Pac was restraint with its design. The homes are modest and do offer a lot of function for the money. The plans are always efficient and compact. Lets be honest. I would rather see a home with dignified honesty than putting lip stick on a pig.
Credit should go to Cary Bren and his staff to care about the first time buyers and growing families need. The land prices escalated so much even a Cal Pac box was too expensive and out of Cary's control to keeping price at entry level.
His goal was to deliver a best home for a modest price but the land economic did not behave to his ideal. For those seeking to buy a home I highly recommend a Cal Pac resale. The 6 Sienna homes in Woodbury East and the few Andalusia in Woodbury like IHO said will be Prado off. I recommend them highly.
Credit should go to Cary Bren and his staff to care about the first time buyers and growing families need. The land prices escalated so much even a Cal Pac box was too expensive and out of Cary's control to keeping price at entry level.
His goal was to deliver a best home for a modest price but the land economic did not behave to his ideal. For those seeking to buy a home I highly recommend a Cal Pac resale. The 6 Sienna homes in Woodbury East and the few Andalusia in Woodbury like IHO said will be Prado off. I recommend them highly.
bkshopr_IHB
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I have been thinking a lot about stucco houses. Many plain stucco boxes are actually very nice. The honest and simplified facade like the missions is just lovely. It is just a 4 corner structure. Why do designers have to overkill a simple facade?
A stucco home without restraint with too many goops, bad proportion, too many plane breaks, complicated roofs, and too many corners is like turning the beautiful America Ferrera into Ugly Betty.
A stucco home without restraint with too many goops, bad proportion, too many plane breaks, complicated roofs, and too many corners is like turning the beautiful America Ferrera into Ugly Betty.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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bkshopr said:
Well said. When I walk through Woodbury, I'm always struck by how many different windows sizes one house can have. I think Stonetree Manor could have been beautiful with a symmetrical design. Look at the all the window sizes on that one in the top left hand corner. It's just overkill.
EvaLSeraphim_IHB
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Matchbox said:
I may be wrong, but I think Andalusia was identical or similar to the Campanile "in-fill" project in North Park Square. I say in-fill because it was a land sale option for TUSD that they let expire and the project was started well after the rest of NPS was built out.
Matchbox_IHB
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EvaLSeraphim said:
Andulusia was integrated as part of the original Woodbury Masterplan for the SE neighborhood of single family homes. SW(Cypress Square) and SE (Arbor Garden) Woodbury was almost identical to the way it was laid out. (like a mirror image centered on Keystone. (Keystone is a community entry street in the middle of WB's south side.) SW Woodbury consists of the single family detached neighborhoods of Mille Fleurs, Villa Rosa, and Portisol.
Most of Cal Pac's projects are very similar. I've seen many of theCampanile houses in other neighborhoods: NP, NWoodII, and QH. Plan 1 and plan 3 in Andalusia is nearly identical to the the plans at Portisol. (It would have been unfortunate, because the masterplan called for each sub-neighborhood to be unique.) I was only referring to the Plan 2 in Andalusia as one of a kind because I have never seen it before.
BK mentioned the Sienna homes in WE. Sienna was also a brand new product that never got launched beyond the model homes being built.
In Woodbury, only Montecito and Carmel would qualify in your description of an infill project. (though WB is yet to be built out) This was the site originally designated for a middle school.
Matchbox_IHB
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Mcdonna1980 said:bkshopr said:
Well said. When I walk through Woodbury, I'm always struck by how many different windows sizes one house can have. I think Stonetree Manor could have been beautiful with a symmetrical design. Look at the all the window sizes on that one in the top left hand corner. It's just overkill.
You know I have a story on the house in the bottom left and right photos. I was out with one of my routine walks with the dog a couple of weeks ago when I walked pass this house. It was the former John Laing Stonetree plan 1 model home/ sales office. The house was completely lighted. There were 4 cars in the asphalt parking lot right off the glass doors of its former sales office/ dining room. For some reason I thought that Stonetree was resurrected. Stonetree Manor still had homes that were partially erected along Revival. I went up to see if I could get a brochure. When I got to the glass door I saw a family sitting on the couch watching TV, and a couple of women working up a meal in the kitchen. The model home with it's sales office, furniture, and parking lot was actually lived in! The cars parked in the lot were theirs I assume. I wondered if the family negotiated the sales parking lot as part of their purchase agreement?
BTW. Comparing the same project type of detached row houses. I think that even though Cachette is smaller compared to STM, its exterior is more understated and therefore makes for a more successful design.
bkshopr_IHB
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Matchbox said:
Good observation in Andalusia there is a brand new plan. Cal Pac's pulling out of the home building business sure left a void in the industry.
In order to yield a profitable land residual Cal Pac's low footage for Andalusia and Sienna both would be bad candidates for BagOChips products. To make the selling price reach low $300 per sf by pumping up sf does not seem to be Cal Pac's MO when efficiency ratio drops.