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In that situation, a deadly force decision was not needed.
But keep up your false equivalencies to try to rationalize this. Again... just shows how biased you are.
If a Democrat was the president when this happened... you would be scouring your right fake facts feeds for opposite opinions.
You know who else aren't police officers? FBI Agents. ICE and FBI Agents are "Sworn Law Enforcement Agents" who enforce national laws, not State or local municipality laws. Sheriffs aren't necessarily "Police officers" either as they enforce unincorporated areas, although sometimes are contracted by municipalities to enforce local laws. All of these groups have "Police powers" - assisting in policing whenever needed.
ICE agents typically have backgrounds in law enforcement, military service, or criminal justice, often holding bachelor’s degrees, though not strictly required for all positions. Candidates must be U.S. citizens aged 21-37, pass rigorous background investigations, and undergo 22 weeks of training at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Its easy to say they "may not have received the type of training, or may not have the mentality to deal with these type of community situations", but that's just lazy thinking, unsupported by verifiable facts. Remember, dear readers, as one wise man once opined: "Facts are to liberals as kryptonite is to Superman".
Multiple Years of street experience is more reliable Than your laymen’s judgment of a 30 second video.
Those two things tell you nothing..
Officers are always put on paid leave when investigating a shoot.
Putting body cams on officers usually works to their benefit during investigations. Police all support that policy.
Masking will remain necessary while these insurrectionists keep trying to dox law enforcement.
told you so…enjoy the giant Trump Nothingburger…get it with tater tots
But, after a decade? I can’t think of anything that’s hurt the police reform movement more than the very bodycams activists demanded.
According to a review from 2020, bodycams reduced complaints against police by an average of 17 percent. Bodycams are also used to prosecute citizens more often than police. They’re used as evidence against civilians in more than 90 percent of cases. In addition to being a boon for prosecutors, bodycams have helped clear police officers in the courtroom of allegations involving sexual assault, brutality, theft, and homicide.
morekaos
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THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT!!! the “Big Beautiful Bill” will deliver greater refunds to all (before the midterm elections)….I just did my ‘25 taxes and for the first time in 4 years (where I stroked double digit checks to the Fed). I am getting a double digit check sent to me…All of you will be pleasantly surprised this year. Promises made…Proises kept!!
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Tax refunds could be $1,000 higher this season, on average, White House says. How much you can expect
Tax refunds could be $1,000 higher this season, on average, White House says. How much you can expect
Tax refunds could be $1,000 higher this season, the White House said this week. But the average depends on your situation, experts say.
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Liar Loan
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Were we screwed though? Even though SALT was capped, the other changes in 2018 still led to a lower tax bill for me.
irvinehomeowner
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In that situation, a deadly force decision was not needed.
irvinehomeowner
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And you forget, ICE are not police officers. They have not received the type of training or may not have the mentality to deal with these type of community situations.
But keep up your false equivalencies to try to rationalize this. Again... just shows how biased you are.
If a Democrat was the president when this happened... you would be scouring your right fake facts feeds for opposite opinions.
sgip
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You know who else aren't police officers? FBI Agents. ICE and FBI Agents are "Sworn Law Enforcement Agents" who enforce national laws, not State or local municipality laws. Sheriffs aren't necessarily "Police officers" either as they enforce unincorporated areas, although sometimes are contracted by municipalities to enforce local laws. All of these groups have "Police powers" - assisting in policing whenever needed.
ICE agents typically have backgrounds in law enforcement, military service, or criminal justice, often holding bachelor’s degrees, though not strictly required for all positions. Candidates must be U.S. citizens aged 21-37, pass rigorous background investigations, and undergo 22 weeks of training at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Its easy to say they "may not have received the type of training, or may not have the mentality to deal with these type of community situations", but that's just lazy thinking, unsupported by verifiable facts. Remember, dear readers, as one wise man once opined: "Facts are to liberals as kryptonite is to Superman".
Liar Loan
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Then the police departments should be allowed to assist with crowd control. These deaths may not have happened if local leaders had let the police do their jobs.
morekaos
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All the more reason for local police to support ICE operations, like in non sanctuary states, and control the insurrectionist crowds…
morekaos
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…and you know this because?….
morekaos
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Well, the racist argument gets dumped along with the “untrained rookies” accusation. Both officers were Hispanic and veterans with 7 and 11 years on the force. I would lean twords trusting their judgment
Federal agents who shot Alex Pretti identified: Report
Ochoa joined CBP in 2018, while Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for the CBP’s Office of Field Operations, according to ProPublica. Records show both men hail from South Texas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-AA1VrCzY?ocid=sapphireappshare
Federal agents who shot Alex Pretti identified: Report
Ochoa joined CBP in 2018, while Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for the CBP’s Office of Field Operations, according to ProPublica. Records show both men hail from South Texas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-AA1VrCzY?ocid=sapphireappshare
irvinehomeowner
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I didn't say race was a factor. And border patrol experience may not translate to proper public community de-escalation skills.
2 things should make you realize this may have been excessive force:
- They have been put on leave
- Federal officers in MN are going to have bodycams
Maybe we will see demasking next.
2 things should make you realize this may have been excessive force:
- They have been put on leave
- Federal officers in MN are going to have bodycams
Maybe we will see demasking next.
morekaos
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Didn’t say you did but there were allusions to that affect floating around.
Multiple Years of street experience is more reliable Than your laymen’s judgment of a 30 second video.
Those two things tell you nothing..
Officers are always put on paid leave when investigating a shoot.
Putting body cams on officers usually works to their benefit during investigations. Police all support that policy.
Masking will remain necessary while these insurrectionists keep trying to dox law enforcement.
morekaos
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YawnI told you…this will disappoint those that think there is something that will drag down Trump in there…However there will be much that muddies prominent Democrats…
Ghislaine Maxwell, in DOJ interview, said nothing harmful to Trump
During her nine hours speaking with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche last month, Ghislaine Maxwell said nothing during the interview that would be harmful to President Donald Trump, telling Blanche that Trump had never done anything in her presence that would have caused concern, according to sources familiar with what Maxwell said.
Ghislaine Maxwell told DOJ Trump never did anything concerning around her: Sources
During her interview with the DOJ last month, former Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell said nothing that would be harmful to President Trump, sources say.abcnews.go.com
told you so…enjoy the giant Trump Nothingburger…get it with tater tots
Liar Loan
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Police Bodycams: The Left's Biggest Self-Own
black lives matter activists pushed for bodycam legislation in the 2010s expecting proof of racist policing. instead, the footage now more often exposes violent, unstable perps.But, after a decade? I can’t think of anything that’s hurt the police reform movement more than the very bodycams activists demanded.
According to a review from 2020, bodycams reduced complaints against police by an average of 17 percent. Bodycams are also used to prosecute citizens more often than police. They’re used as evidence against civilians in more than 90 percent of cases. In addition to being a boon for prosecutors, bodycams have helped clear police officers in the courtroom of allegations involving sexual assault, brutality, theft, and homicide.
irvinehomeowner
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I agree that bodycams benefit both sides and it’s better for both sides to have them then not to.