irvinehomeowner
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You posted the link. Explain how they are the same. If you smelt it you dealt it.
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Maybe you should watch more Kung Fu Panda.
Did you find that trailer full of ballots yet?
What I said was "Trump authorized the National Guard for J6 like he did for this LA riot. Dems are consistent in refusing the help of the National Guard". You obviously read more into that statement than I intended and you are saying it's different because the state did not ask for it. That's a line of thought you've inserted so maybe you should prove why it's different since both times Trump's authorizations were provided without him being asked to do so.
Newsom and Bass were gaslighting the public while the riots in LA got worse from Friday to Saturday to Sunday. Trump ordered in the guard because Newsom, rather than protecting LA, was denying how bad things had gotten. The LAPD chief said Saturday in a press conference that his officers were overwhelmed. Why didn't Newsom respond? We now know that Trump had a 16 minute phone call last Friday night with Newsom where he told Newsom to take control of the situation. Newsom tweeted that Trump never called; not even a voicemail. Trump then proceeded to produce the call log showing Newsom as the liar. The same liar that when confronted by a woman who lost her home in the Palisades fire, Newsom pretended to be on the phone with Trump. When the woman insisted on hearing the conversation, he finally had to admit that he was trying to reach Trump but was unsuccessful.
As you accuse others of bias and hypocrisy, perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror.
No need... no one is defending your stance. Jan 6 and the ICE riots should have had the same response or both no response.
And again... not backing Newsom, just read the article for the events and ask why didn't Trump activate the Guard then but was so quick to do it now.
You keep boiling this down to specific people (and of course you pick the Dems) but I'm just taking about history. When was the last time a prez mobilized the National Guard without governor's request... notice how you didn't respond to the video where Trump himself said it is against the law to do so,
And don't think I would vote for Newsom either. Seems like a salesman to me.
Your responses always lean toward some political bias which mine does not as I call out both sides. When you can be more objective... maybe we can have a conversation.
Your argument is that Trump should have mobilized, not just authorized, the National Guard for J6. Considering the event had not even occurred what would have been the justification? The justification in LA is the violence, property damage and looting. Trump learned from 2020. I would be disappointed if Trump wasn't more proactive this time around. Considering Newsom was governor in 2020, his lack of action is disappointing especially after the LAPD chief said his officers were overwhelmed. If Newsom had activated the California national guard, we wouldn't be talking about this subject.
Governors Walz, Evers and McAuliffe all activated their respective state's national guard so Trump didn't have to. Again, if Newsom had activated the California national guard, we wouldn't be talking about this subject.
There is a cadre of journalists that will pick on whatever Trump does or does not do. In your video, Stephanopoulos was asking Trump why he didn't call in the national guard in 2020 as he is for law and order. His ABC colleague Jonathan Karl just this week was critical of Trump mobilizing the national guard. Speaker Johnson reminded Karl that Trump is for law and order. ABC is playing both sides to make Trump look bad. While legacy mainstream media outlets lament about the shift in viewership patterns for political news, the answer seems obvious to many people but not to them. Like you, they believe they are unbiased when in reality they are not.
irvine buyer
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You do realize you replied to my post which you didn't need to. You chose to critique it but now resort to playing stupid word games. If you disagree with something I said then spill the beans and elaborate. Don't give me cryptic sentences like some Temu version of Shifu in Kung Fu Panda.
irvinehomeowner
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Uh.. you even quoted my post in your reply so you do need to explain how it relates.
Maybe you should watch more Kung Fu Panda.
Did you find that trailer full of ballots yet?
irvine buyer
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Rather than elaborate on what you disagree with so we can discuss, you choose to deflect to a prior topic.
irvinehomeowner
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No. That's what I originally responded to.
You have yet to prove how Trump offering the National Guard before Jan 6 and not when it happened is the same as him calling in the National Guard when the state did not ask for it.
Any non-biased person can see the difference. You're the only one who has disagreed.
You have yet to prove how Trump offering the National Guard before Jan 6 and not when it happened is the same as him calling in the National Guard when the state did not ask for it.
Any non-biased person can see the difference. You're the only one who has disagreed.
irvinehomeowner
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Isn't this concerning? I thought wars didn't happen under Trump?
irvine buyer
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This is the first time you have explained your position so not sure how I disagreed with something I was unaware of.
What I said was "Trump authorized the National Guard for J6 like he did for this LA riot. Dems are consistent in refusing the help of the National Guard". You obviously read more into that statement than I intended and you are saying it's different because the state did not ask for it. That's a line of thought you've inserted so maybe you should prove why it's different since both times Trump's authorizations were provided without him being asked to do so.
irvine buyer
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Donald Trump has stated that he was the first president in decades not to have started any new wars. That said, I'm sure if the US got attacked and a war started with the other country you'd be the first to bring this up again.
irvinehomeowner
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Sigh. Like is said, your bias prevents you from seeing the difference, the hypocrisy and the truth.
Is there such thing as TBS, Trump Bias Syndrome?
C'mon morekaos, back your buddy up... the facts are destroying him.
Is there such thing as TBS, Trump Bias Syndrome?
C'mon morekaos, back your buddy up... the facts are destroying him.
irvinehomeowner
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I was hoping you would come to your own realization but instead you doubled down. Maybe you'll read this:
And Trump even said himself he can't call in the National Guard unless the governor asks for it:
And again... I would question if Biden did the same thing. But I get it, if Jan 6 didn't happen, maybe people wouldn't question it. I don't remember if Bush was scrutinized for it during Rodney King.
And Trump even said himself he can't call in the National Guard unless the governor asks for it:
And again... I would question if Biden did the same thing. But I get it, if Jan 6 didn't happen, maybe people wouldn't question it. I don't remember if Bush was scrutinized for it during Rodney King.
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morekaos
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We aren’t bombing…Israel is
irvinehomeowner
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Yeah. Not blaming Trump... But this is worrisome because what's going to happen to Trump Gaza Golf Course?We aren’t bombing…Israel is
irvine buyer
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The first item in Newsom's propaganda piece you quoted has already been debunked to you but you felt it appropriate to push the lie again. Just like Newsom and his Aunt Pelosi they keep pushing debunked lies. You may also not be aware that Trump wanted to federalize the state guard in Minnesota and send them to Minneapolis but was discouraged from doing so by Milley. Walz subsequently activated the state guard so the issue became moot. Newsom admits in his own piece that the Virginia and Wisconsin governors activated their state guards to protect their cities; unlike Newsom and Bass who even on the third day of the riots were calling it peaceful protests. Finally, who calls in the guard after their home team wins?I was hoping you would come to your own realization but instead you doubled down. Maybe you'll read this:
And Trump even said himself he can't call in the National Guard unless the governor asks for it:
And again... I would question if Biden did the same thing. But I get it, if Jan 6 didn't happen, maybe people wouldn't question it. I don't remember if Bush was scrutinized for it during Rodney King.
Newsom and Bass were gaslighting the public while the riots in LA got worse from Friday to Saturday to Sunday. Trump ordered in the guard because Newsom, rather than protecting LA, was denying how bad things had gotten. The LAPD chief said Saturday in a press conference that his officers were overwhelmed. Why didn't Newsom respond? We now know that Trump had a 16 minute phone call last Friday night with Newsom where he told Newsom to take control of the situation. Newsom tweeted that Trump never called; not even a voicemail. Trump then proceeded to produce the call log showing Newsom as the liar. The same liar that when confronted by a woman who lost her home in the Palisades fire, Newsom pretended to be on the phone with Trump. When the woman insisted on hearing the conversation, he finally had to admit that he was trying to reach Trump but was unsuccessful.
As you accuse others of bias and hypocrisy, perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror.
irvine buyer
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If rumors are correct that Newsom has his eye on running for President in 2028, his handling of the LA fires in January and the LA riots is going to come back and haunt him. Even his opponents in the Democrat primary will use it against him.
https://insideradvantage.com/inside...ployment-of-national-guard-and-troops-in-l-a/
You can't win a national election without winning independent votes and so far it seems like the majority of independents agree with Trump. The people out in the streets protesting are already going to vote Democrat.
https://insideradvantage.com/inside...ployment-of-national-guard-and-troops-in-l-a/
You can't win a national election without winning independent votes and so far it seems like the majority of independents agree with Trump. The people out in the streets protesting are already going to vote Democrat.
irvinehomeowner
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No need... no one is defending your stance. Jan 6 and the ICE riots should have had the same response or both no response.
And again... not backing Newsom, just read the article for the events and ask why didn't Trump activate the Guard then but was so quick to do it now.
You keep boiling this down to specific people (and of course you pick the Dems) but I'm just taking about history. When was the last time a prez mobilized the National Guard without governor's request... notice how you didn't respond to the video where Trump himself said it is against the law to do so,
And don't think I would vote for Newsom either. Seems like a salesman to me.
Your responses always lean toward some political bias which mine does not as I call out both sides. When you can be more objective... maybe we can have a conversation.
morekaos
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The Trump administration made a mistake back in 06 by not pressing the issue when Nancy declined the offer of National Gaurd troops. They are not making that mistake again. If the security situation requires it, Trump will send them in whether the Blue politicos want them or not. The administration learns from their mistakes, it won’t happen again.
Liar Loan
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Because the ICE riots are insurrection?
irvine buyer
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If you don't see your anti-Trump bias then I don't know what to say. So much of what you have posted has a bias but go ahead and believe you are unbiased.
Your argument is that Trump should have mobilized, not just authorized, the National Guard for J6. Considering the event had not even occurred what would have been the justification? The justification in LA is the violence, property damage and looting. Trump learned from 2020. I would be disappointed if Trump wasn't more proactive this time around. Considering Newsom was governor in 2020, his lack of action is disappointing especially after the LAPD chief said his officers were overwhelmed. If Newsom had activated the California national guard, we wouldn't be talking about this subject.
Governors Walz, Evers and McAuliffe all activated their respective state's national guard so Trump didn't have to. Again, if Newsom had activated the California national guard, we wouldn't be talking about this subject.
There is a cadre of journalists that will pick on whatever Trump does or does not do. In your video, Stephanopoulos was asking Trump why he didn't call in the national guard in 2020 as he is for law and order. His ABC colleague Jonathan Karl just this week was critical of Trump mobilizing the national guard. Speaker Johnson reminded Karl that Trump is for law and order. ABC is playing both sides to make Trump look bad. While legacy mainstream media outlets lament about the shift in viewership patterns for political news, the answer seems obvious to many people but not to them. Like you, they believe they are unbiased when in reality they are not.
irvinehomeowner
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Blah blah blah. Anyone who believes someone can do no wrong can never be objective. I may be anti-Trump on many things but I've also agreed with him on others.
You give no quarter thus have no credibility to be unbiased.
Same with mk and LL.
But it's ok... your opinions reveal your truths.
You give no quarter thus have no credibility to be unbiased.
Same with mk and LL.
But it's ok... your opinions reveal your truths.