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irvinehomeowner said:
Clips got Stern-blocked too.

I think it's ridiculous how the NBA is controlling the Hornets.
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It depends on the trade.  If it included Gordon, I'd agree with you.  If it didn't, I think Stern did the right thing.
 
USCTrojanCPA said:
Liar Loan said:
Is possible to trade your Sixth Man of the Year for a mid-level exception and a first round draft pick?
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Stern should have rejected that trade too since it wasn't balanced.
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I think the difference (although that doesn't make it right) is that the NBA isn't an owner of the teams involved.

Regardless, they supposedly gave Demps (the Hornets GM) transaction authority and now he's just a GM by name. There is some argument here that the teams involved in the original teams in the 1st trade can claim subversion of "good faith" (disclaimer: me no is lawyer). Imagine you work hard on negotiating a trade and then it's made public and vetoed... that's like showing your hand in poker after everyone has called and then the dealer says... "Hold on... you guys need to re-bet".
 
It's looking more and more like C-3PO is staying in New Orleans.  The league is really going to look stupid if that happens (as if they already don't).  Not only have they destroyed value for the Hornets, but for the Rockets and Lakers as well.  Really dumb from a total league perspective, especially one that needs to make amends with fans and help them forget that a lockout ever happened. 

The Clippers would be crazy to give the league what they are asking.  It could happen, but they don't want to give Blake Griffin any reason to resent this deal.  Throw in too many pieces and he is going to leave for another team the first chance he gets.  C-3PO can leave after 2 seasons and then the Clips would be left with nothing.
 
The window seems to be closing on any chance of a Chris Paul trade with the Clips:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111214,0,3056966.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

Neil Olshey, the Clippers' vice president of basketball operations, didn't speak much about the Paul issue.

"Clearly, a player of Chris Paul's caliber ? if you pick up the phone, you're going to have to listen to what somebody has to say," he said. "We're not actively making phone calls trying to acquire any new players at this point."

Olshey is upbeat because he likes their current roster. That includes the team's decision to bring back restricted free-agent center DeAndre Jordan by matching the offer Jordan got from Golden State, worth $42.3 million over four years.

The Clippers also won the waiver auction Monday for Chauncey Billups, a veteran point guard who has won big games and is known to have a positive presence in the locker room.

Billups, 35, was waived by the Knicks under the NBA's new amnesty provision. The Clippers won the bidding process by offering a little more than $2 million.

The Clippers said Billups will be at practice Wednesday. The Clippers can't trade him, so he'll be with the team unless he gets waived this season.

With Griffin, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, free-agent acquisition Caron Butler and the rest of the team, Olshey feels good about their prospects.

"We think that we've got a product on the floor right now that's given a lot of people in the Western Conference pause," he said. "We've got a lot of depth. We've got quality veterans. We've got really good young players."
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What happens when the Hornets have to accept a deal for less than they would have gotten from the Lakers/Rockets?  Stern is going to look like a supreme jackass.
 
Using the super hindsight 20/20 glasses... the Lakers should be glad Stern was stupid... except for the fact that because of the veto, they traded Odom for nothing... when he could have been used to land Howard, who I think the Lakers need more than CP3.

While the Clips could use a superstar like CP3, their current roster is actually playoff possible... Billups, Gordon, Butler, Blake, DeAndre... solid at each position... and great backups too.

The Lakers are still looking at CP3 (although I think that's bluster by Stern to get the Clips to accept their terms) but why? What do they have to trade now that Odom Kardashian has been shipped? Orlando has stopped all trade talks for Howard... seems like a giant staring match.
 
the owners were complaining about how they lose money and then someone like Deandre Jordan gets 4 years and $43M, clearly not worth it. Kwame Brown just got $7M for one year with the warriors.  i guess the lockout cant fix stupidity. so much for the new CBA protecting owners from themselves.
 
DeAndre might be... but not Kwame.

Chandler and Nene also got big contracts... centers are a commodity in the NBA... not many quality big men nowadays.
 
The Los Angeles Clippers have agreed to a deal in principle with the league-owned New Orleans Hornets to acquire guard Chris Paul, according to sources close to the process.

The Clippers, sources said, will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul.

The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks, according to sources.

The deal is expected to be approved by the league Wednesday night, sources said.
 
Demps should step in and veto this trade... hehe.

Clips might have given up a lot for this... but they don't have very good luck with their draft picks... and I had a feeling that Chauncey was picked up as a 2-guard... which works well with CP3. They still have MoWill as a backup PG and now the Clips have a superstar playoff team instead of just a playoff capable team.
 
so what is better starting 5

kobe, fisher, gasol, bynum, artest or paul, billups, griffin, butler, jordan

pretty close, i may have to go with clippers just because i think they complement each other better than the lakers do. fisher and artest pretty much suck at this point, while the 5 clippers should all be solid contributors.
 
So did the Hornets enhance their value with this deal?  Are these three players better than the three they would have gotten from the Rockets/Lakers?  I can't wait to hear the sports analysts dissect this and David Stern defend it.
 
Liar Loan said:
So did the Hornets enhance their value with this deal?  Are these three players better than the three they would have gotten from the Rockets/Lakers?  I can't wait to hear the sports analysts dissect this and David Stern defend it.
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they clearly did not get better, but i think from a sellers perspective it is defensible.  you get a star in his rookie contract for a couple more years, you get likely a top 3 pick from the Twolves, which will be another cheap peace for 5 years. and you free up salary cap room with the expiring contract of kaman.  it kind of give the hornets a cleaner/cheaper balance sheet and a cleaner slate for the new owner to come in. but in terms of winning now, this clearly is not the better trade.
 
qwerty said:
they clearly did not get better, but i think from a sellers perspective it is defensible.  you get a star in his rookie contract for a couple more years, you get likely a top 3 pick from the Twolves, which will be another cheap peace for 5 years. and you free up salary cap room with the expiring contract of kaman.  it kind of give the hornets a cleaner/cheaper balance sheet and a cleaner slate for the new owner to come in. but in terms of winning now, this clearly is not the better trade.
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Yep... it actually makes a little more sense in this light. The NBA wanted the Hornets not to have a better team now... but a team with more potential so that a new owner can come in and rebuild it... kind of like move-in ready but will break down in a year or two... or scratch where you can make it your own.

Eric Gordon will probably be an All-Star, the draft pick should get you something good (and New Orleans will have better luck with it than the Clips). But I also think there was a small anti-Laker sentiment and that enhancing the Clippers is more acceptable than "giving" the Lakers another superstar.

If the Lakers don't land Howard... the Clippers may have a better record than them in this shortened season... but I still don't know how they are going to do that after letting Odom go like that.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
My suggestions:

1. Replace FTM with FT% (if you have to include something FT related)... or just remove any FT stat.
2. Replace C with another Util. Productive centers are actually hard to slot in and you end up looking for a low tier one just to get that position filled.
3. Since we have so few teams, you might want to add another bench position to make our rosters bigger (or another Util for MORE stats!).
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Reminder draft is this coming Sunday.... FTM has been changed to % and added additional slot for Util... left C alone per Liar Loan request... we should all have all star teams..
 
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