INFLATION IS OUR FRIEND

Oh... let's not forget what you originally said:

morekaos said:
Really this doesn't affect me much. I drive a 1991 restored Ford Bronco on weekends for fun. My commute is 1/2 a mile from my home by golf cart. The real pain comes in filling up my yacht for this summer..that sucks but I am fortunate, I can afford it.  Most in this economy can't...the middle and lower class suffers the most and they don't have many options to ease the pain...sucks for them ;D ;D >:D

Sounds more "braggy" to me.
 
Won't get this reporter bragging about her EV...total disaster...

irvinehomeowner said:
And gas is over $6 a gallon... while I am enjoying my sweet EV gas immunity.

I Rented an Electric Car for a Four-Day Road Trip. I Spent More Time Charging It Than I Did Sleeping.

Our writer drove from New Orleans to Chicago and back to test the feasibility of taking a road trip in an EV. She wouldn?t soon do it again.

For now, however, long-distance travel by electric vehicle proved almost impossible, saving just $100 and costing hours. At several points, Wolfe recalled, the car nearly ran out of battery; they missed several appointments. They also had to take drastic steps to curb their use of power, such as unplugging their phones and turning down their windshield wipers.

She wrote: ?Over four days, we spent $175 on charging. We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275, based on the AAA average national gas price for May 19. That $100 savings cost us many hours in waiting time.?

Wolfe also described conversations with fellow travelers: ?The woman charging next to us describes a harrowing recent trip in her Volkswagen ID.4. Deborah Carrico, 65, had to be towed twice while driving between her Louisville, Ky., apartment and Boulder, Colo., where her daughter was getting married.? She noted that the woman had described feeling unsafe while charging at night, and that her family had urged her to trade in her electric car in favor of an old-fashioned gas model.

Wolfe concluded:

The following week, I fill up my Jetta at a local Shell station. Gas is up to $4.08 a gallon.

I inhale deeply. Fumes never smelled so sweet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rent...e-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401
 
Yah I don't do long road trips with my EV.
If I had to go to vegas, I'd drive my gas car.

But for anything below 200 miles.....I just drive the electric
Still saving about $350 a month on gas.


A bonus is my environment has less air pollution.
 
zubs said:
Yah I don't do long road trips with my EV.
If I had to go to vegas, I'd drive my gas car.

But for anything below 200 miles.....I just drive the electric
Still saving about $350 a month on gas.


A bonus is my environment has less air pollution.

Mostly because of the wind.... ;D ;D >:D

In comparison, Kleinman says Irvine has better air quality due to offshore winds, less traffic, and more green spaces than other cities.

Irvine uses 26% of its land for parks and recreation according to the Trust For Public Land. Still, Irvine residents in neighborhoods of color have access to 69% less park space per person than Irvine residents in white neighborhoods, according to the Trust For Public Land.

Orange County?s air quality is still better than most areas in Southern California, according to Marc Carreras Sospedra, air quality specialist at South Coast Air Quality Management District.

?Typically, the worst air quality happens in the Riverside and San Bernardino counties, where the pollution from upwind sources in LA [Los Angeles] and OC [Orange County] is transported and accumulated due to the presence of mountain ranges,? said Sospedra.

He explained that a sea breeze blows air pollution from the coast to counties further inland.

https://voiceofoc.org/2022/01/orange-countys-poor-residents-most-at-risk-from-bad-air-quality/
 
zubs said:
Riverside should thank me for polluting them less with my EV

See...makes you feel better about yourself but in reality it is just Unicorns and Rainbows...it really accomplishes nothing, be honest. ;D ;D >:D
 
morekaos said:
Won't get this reporter bragging about her EV...total disaster...

irvinehomeowner said:
And gas is over $6 a gallon... while I am enjoying my sweet EV gas immunity.

I Rented an Electric Car for a Four-Day Road Trip. I Spent More Time Charging It Than I Did Sleeping.

Our writer drove from New Orleans to Chicago and back to test the feasibility of taking a road trip in an EV. She wouldn?t soon do it again.

For now, however, long-distance travel by electric vehicle proved almost impossible, saving just $100 and costing hours. At several points, Wolfe recalled, the car nearly ran out of battery; they missed several appointments. They also had to take drastic steps to curb their use of power, such as unplugging their phones and turning down their windshield wipers.

She wrote: ?Over four days, we spent $175 on charging. We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275, based on the AAA average national gas price for May 19. That $100 savings cost us many hours in waiting time.?

Wolfe also described conversations with fellow travelers: ?The woman charging next to us describes a harrowing recent trip in her Volkswagen ID.4. Deborah Carrico, 65, had to be towed twice while driving between her Louisville, Ky., apartment and Boulder, Colo., where her daughter was getting married.? She noted that the woman had described feeling unsafe while charging at night, and that her family had urged her to trade in her electric car in favor of an old-fashioned gas model.

Wolfe concluded:

The following week, I fill up my Jetta at a local Shell station. Gas is up to $4.08 a gallon.

I inhale deeply. Fumes never smelled so sweet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rent...e-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401
the real moral of this story is buying a non-Tesla EV is foolish given the paucity of non-Tesla chargers (and absence of non-Tesla Superchargers) and the vastly superior battery/software/silicon technology employed in Teslas. All of the other auto makers will spend themselves into BK trying to build a profitable EV lineup. My prediction is Ferrari will be the last ICE mfr able to sustain an ICE business while not being dependent on an EV transition given their appeal is the sound of the engine.
 
OCtoSV said:
morekaos said:
Won't get this reporter bragging about her EV...total disaster...

irvinehomeowner said:
And gas is over $6 a gallon... while I am enjoying my sweet EV gas immunity.

I Rented an Electric Car for a Four-Day Road Trip. I Spent More Time Charging It Than I Did Sleeping.

Our writer drove from New Orleans to Chicago and back to test the feasibility of taking a road trip in an EV. She wouldn?t soon do it again.

For now, however, long-distance travel by electric vehicle proved almost impossible, saving just $100 and costing hours. At several points, Wolfe recalled, the car nearly ran out of battery; they missed several appointments. They also had to take drastic steps to curb their use of power, such as unplugging their phones and turning down their windshield wipers.

She wrote: ?Over four days, we spent $175 on charging. We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275, based on the AAA average national gas price for May 19. That $100 savings cost us many hours in waiting time.?

Wolfe also described conversations with fellow travelers: ?The woman charging next to us describes a harrowing recent trip in her Volkswagen ID.4. Deborah Carrico, 65, had to be towed twice while driving between her Louisville, Ky., apartment and Boulder, Colo., where her daughter was getting married.? She noted that the woman had described feeling unsafe while charging at night, and that her family had urged her to trade in her electric car in favor of an old-fashioned gas model.

Wolfe concluded:

The following week, I fill up my Jetta at a local Shell station. Gas is up to $4.08 a gallon.

I inhale deeply. Fumes never smelled so sweet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rent...e-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401
the real moral of this story is buying a non-Tesla EV is foolish given the paucity of non-Tesla chargers (and absence of non-Tesla Superchargers) and the vastly superior battery/software/silicon technology employed in Teslas. All of the other auto makers will spend themselves into BK trying to build a profitable EV lineup. My prediction is Ferrari will be the last ICE mfr able to sustain an ICE business while not being dependent on an EV transition given their appeal is the sound of the engine.
And Tesla charging stations are WAY cheaper than the 3rd party chargers. My last trip to Socal I spent I think 30-40$ at the TSCs (Harris Ranch, Manhattan Beach and back).
 
not sure why purple font is so sensitive on this whole ev thing, if people feels good about their unicorns and rainbows, so be it, regarding ev's, it's not like they're saying "Most in this economy can't...the middle and lower class suffers the most and they don't have many options to ease the pain...sucks for them"
 
I just laugh at how gullible people are.  The selfishness in the denial of reality is concerning in that, the vast majority of Americans don't live in EV-Multi verse.  Most people do not even have the ability or choice of buying or having EVs.  They are suffering the consequences of this tiny (2%) minority feeling better about themselves....talk about selfishness...
 
morekaos said:
I just laugh at how gullible people are.  The selfishness in the denial of reality is concerning in that, the vast majority of Americans don't live in EV-Multi verse.  Most people do not even have the ability or choice of buying or having EVs.  They are suffering the consequences of this tiny (2%) minority feeling better about themselves....talk about selfishness...

I am now dual royalty - Prop 13 and Energy
 
morekaos said:
I just laugh at how gullible people are.  The selfishness in the denial of reality is concerning in that, the vast majority of Americans don't live in EV-Multi verse.  Most people do not even have the ability or choice of buying or having EVs.  They are suffering the consequences of this tiny (2%) minority feeling better about themselves....talk about selfishness...
Gullible? Selfishness?  People buy things for their own lifestyle, much like you and your yacht, they also don't feel like paying for gas and save time not going to the gas station, much like your electric golf cart

But of course, a morekaos response for the whole thing would be...
"If that?s how you want to read it?have at it."

Most people do not even have the ability or choice of buying or having EVs
Most in this economy can't...the middle and lower class suffers the most and they don't have many options to ease the pain...sucks for them

 
For her next article she?ll be writing how she thought riding a motorcycle would be fun and liberating so she set out to drive from Buffalo to Minneapolis for Christmas winter break.
 
Do what is right for EVERYBODY..not just a small sliver of the country that wants to feel good about themselves but really contribute nothing.  Drill now, drill everywere!...drill in my backyard!...drill in your backyard!...flood the market with energy and you will see inflation disappear and growth will overwhelm us all...Drown the market in supply...it is the only way out..go back to the good Multi-verse of just 4 years ago.

morekaos said:
We control the horizontal...we control the vertical...Take that Paris Climate Agreement!!

Feds Discover Largest Oil, Natural-Gas Reserve in History

In all, the new reserve is said to contain 281 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, 46.3 billion barrels of oil, and 20 billion barrels of natural-gas liquids, the Interior Department?s U.S. Geological Survey said.

COMMENTS
Almost a third of the U.S.?s total crude-oil production comes from the Permian Basin where the reserve was found, making it the biggest shale-oil-producing region in the U.S.

?American strength flows from American energy, and as it turns out, we have a lot of American energy,? said Zinke. ?Before this assessment came down, I was bullish on oil and gas production in the United States. Now, I know for a fact that American energy dominance is within our grasp as a nation.?

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/feds-discover-largest-oil-natural-gas-reserve-in-history/

U.S. Becomes a Net Oil Exporter for First Time in 75 Years


America turned into a net oil exporter last week, breaking 75 years of continued dependence on foreign oil and marking a pivotal ? even if likely brief ? moment toward what U.S. President Donald Trump has branded as ?energy independence.?

http://fortune.com/2018/12/06/oil-exports-us/
https://youtu.be/FCcdr4O-3gE

https://youtu.be/FCcdr4O-3gE
 
No we won?t inflation is driven by corporate behavior.  Like the 100% mark up on the Ford Lightning.

Ever stop to ask how beef more than doubled yet rancher price for their cattle never went above 5 year average?
 
nosuchreality said:
No we won?t inflation is driven by corporate behavior.  Like the 100% mark up on the Ford Lightning.

Every stop to ask how beef more than doubled yet rancher price for their cattle never went above 5 year average?

Sure.  Transportation, processing, labor (union) and feed costs all went up by that and more.  It all stems from energy and wages Pay someone $15 bucks to flip your burger and what do you think you will pay for that burger.?...the basics of economics.
 
morekaos said:
nosuchreality said:
No we won?t inflation is driven by corporate behavior.  Like the 100% mark up on the Ford Lightning.

Every stop to ask how beef more than doubled yet rancher price for their cattle never went above 5 year average?

Sure.  Transportation, processing, labor (union) and feed costs all went up by that and more.  It all stems from energy and wages Pay someone $15 bucks to flip your burger and what do you think you will pay for that burger.?...the basics of economics.

No it is basic economics, but it pricing power, oligopolies and market consolidation.
 
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