Immigration Ban

Perspective said:
Hawaii judge puts Trump's revised travel ban on holdhttps://gma.yahoo.com/hawaii-judge-...-ban-hold-230430661--abc-news-topstories.html

You can't campaign on a Muslim ban, and then tell me this isn't a Muslim ban.
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You, obviously don't believe in anything Trump said or done could be good for the country. No one with common sense should bother to tell you.

Now, this is a fact: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Every family will be paying $2500 less in premium."
 
Looks like we are kicking out one of the pro Muslim terrorists that run the women's movement in the US.
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/ex-terrorist-who-led-womens-march-will-be-deported/

She killed 2 people in a bombing attack, and served some jail time, was released and immigrated to the US.  She wasn't vetted well.  She is being deported because she lied and kept it hidden that she was convicted of two terrorist attacks that resulted in multiple deaths.  But wait...  She was convicted of immigration fraud in 2014, so in 2014 intelligence knew about her. 

From Snopes http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/28/rasmea-odeh-conviction/:
Odeh was convicted of immigration fraud and sentenced to 18 months in prison by Drain, who said she had committed both perjury and acts of terrorism, according to a recap of the sentencing hearing in the Detroit Free Press

Odeh successfully appealed that conviction, however, and has been granted a new trial, set for May 2017. Meanwhile, she is free on bail and still listed as an organizer of the 8 March 2017 Day Without a Woman strike.
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WTF was she doing in the Women's march?

Well, it looks like she did a plea bargain and will be deported.
Rasmea Odeh will be stripped of her U.S citizenship and forced to leave the country and return to Jordan after failing to disclose to immigration authorities that she had been imprisoned in Israel for committing two terror attacks.
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China Bans Veils and ?Abnormal? Beards in Western Province of Xinjiang

"China has banned wearing veils as part of a major crackdown on what it sees as religious extremism in the western province of Xinjiang.

The measure, which comes into effect Saturday, also bans "abnormal" beards and names, as well as other "extremist signs." Forcing others to wear veils is also forbidden."


Source:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-bans-veils-abnormal-beards-western-province-xinjiang-n741501


My comment: Looks like there's a potential problem in China.
 
This is why we live in a Trump brexit world today. Muslim problem is real.
 
Horrible irony but it brings up a point about the inability to properly vet immigrants from these and other countries...

Belgian psychologist who helped failed asylum seekers being deported is named as Stockholm terror attack victim

Ma?lys Dereymaeker, 31, was waiting for her friends when the terrorist struck
She was the first victim to be hit by speeding lorry and died instantly at the scene
Ms Dereymaeker, from Lembeek near Brussels, had an 18-month-old toddler
She worked with illegal immigrants facing deportation like killer, Rakhmat Akilov

The fanatic, who killed four in Friday's carnage, told the Swedish Migration Board that he had been arrested during a demonstration and was subsequently tortured by police for nine days.
However, a medical examination showed that torture had not taken place.
Investigators concluded that his identity could not be confirmed as he had used several aliases when applying for asylum.
A court also questioned his version of events, saying that his description of conditions in prison was too vague. He was unable to describe its appearance and anybody who was in prison with him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4399014/Belgian.html#ixzz4dsXMhIID
 
Liar Loan said:
Perspective said:
Ninth Circuit Goes Full ?Korematsu? On Muslim Ban Lawyer
Can we really legally distinguish the Muslim Ban from Korematsu?http://abovethelaw.com/2017/05/ninth-circuit-goes-full-korematsu-on-muslim-ban-lawyer/
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False equivalencies abound in that article.

Is stripping somebody of their belongings and imprisoning them for several years the same as preventing somebody from obtaining a travel visa for 90 days?
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That is not what the Executive Order # 9066 spelled out, but it is what ended up happening.
 
peppy said:
Liar Loan said:
Perspective said:
Ninth Circuit Goes Full ?Korematsu? On Muslim Ban Lawyer
Can we really legally distinguish the Muslim Ban from Korematsu?http://abovethelaw.com/2017/05/ninth-circuit-goes-full-korematsu-on-muslim-ban-lawyer/
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False equivalencies abound in that article.

Is stripping somebody of their belongings and imprisoning them for several years the same as preventing somebody from obtaining a travel visa for 90 days?
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That is not what the Executive Order # 9066 spelled out, but it is what ended up happening.
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It's still a false equivalency.  Denying foreigners a visa does not violate their due process rights.
 
Liar Loan said:
peppy said:
Liar Loan said:
Perspective said:
Ninth Circuit Goes Full ?Korematsu? On Muslim Ban Lawyer
Can we really legally distinguish the Muslim Ban from Korematsu?http://abovethelaw.com/2017/05/ninth-circuit-goes-full-korematsu-on-muslim-ban-lawyer/
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False equivalencies abound in that article.

Is stripping somebody of their belongings and imprisoning them for several years the same as preventing somebody from obtaining a travel visa for 90 days?
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That is not what the Executive Order # 9066 spelled out, but it is what ended up happening.
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It's still a false equivalency.  Denying foreigners a visa does not violate their due process rights.
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Have you been following the affront against the civil liberties of American citizens at international point of entry? This is all done in the name of "national security" and the follow the guidance of an executive order. The text of an EO may say one thing, but the way it gets implemented is what ultimately impacts us. The fact that the EO is impacting muslim (or suspected muslim) US citizens is what makes these developments similar to the race based ramifications of EO 9066. At a port of entry you may have to surrender your mobile device and passwords even if you are a citizen. Think about that one for a minute. The immigration EO is more than just visas ...

 
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/10/523311433/u-s-border-patrol-agents-step-up-cell-phone-searches

As the Trump administration looks to carry out extreme vetting of those who want to enter the U.S., one screening practice has already been amped up. In 2016, the number of people asked to hand over their cell phones and passwords by Customs and Border Protection agents increased almost threefold over the year before. NPR's Brian Naylor reports this is happening to both foreign visitors and American citizens.
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The increased searches of cell phones started under Obama's administration, so you can't pin it on Trump or the issuance of the EO.  If Hillary had been elected, the same policy would still be in place.  Therefore, your attempt to compare the 90 day restriction on visas to Japanese internment falls way short.
 
Liar Loan said:
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/10/523311433/u-s-border-patrol-agents-step-up-cell-phone-searches

As the Trump administration looks to carry out extreme vetting of those who want to enter the U.S., one screening practice has already been amped up. In 2016, the number of people asked to hand over their cell phones and passwords by Customs and Border Protection agents increased almost threefold over the year before. NPR's Brian Naylor reports this is happening to both foreign visitors and American citizens.
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The increased searches of cell phones started under Obama's administration, so you can't pin it on Trump or the issuance of the EO.  If Hillary had been elected, the same policy would still be in place.  Therefore, your attempt to compare the 90 day restriction on visas to Japanese internment falls way short.
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True that it was already happening to some degree, but they rate at which it is happening now has skyrocketed as a direct consequence of the immigration EO. Without the EO, the number of incidences would have been pretty much below the radar. Add to that the detention of (mostly suspected muslim) US citizens at the airport and you get a pattern where although not specifically spelt out, a particular group of US citizens is getting targeted. The degree doesn't approximate to what happened to US Citizens with Japanese decent during WWII but a similar disturbing trend is arising. Keep in mind that the root of Korematsu was not the internment order in itself, but the constitutionality of the EO leading to it. This is what is being debated today.

 
Loco_local said:
The increased searches of cell phones started under Obama's administration
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Obama signed the Patriot Act? He probably started the Iraq War also.
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peppy and I are talking about the increase in border patrol searches of cell phones that started in 2016, not the authorization of warrantless wiretapping under the Patriot Act, as you seem to be thinking.
 
No one disputes the Prez can ban immigration from any country if he feels that country is a threat. The dispute is whether a court can ignore the stated purpose of a law and use sound bites, tweets, and other extraneous information to divine the "real reason" for the law and strike a law down based on what the court wants you to believe is the "real reason."

This would allow courts to make laws instead of interpret them because there is no way anyone can get into the head of anyone else to find the "real reason" for anything.

Maybe the real reason for the 90 day wait is to deter Muslim immigration but it is not the court's business to tell us that.

BTW, Fred Korematsu's problems were caused by Emperor Hirohito, not President Roosevelt.
 
Happiness said:
No one disputes the Prez can ban immigration from any country if he feels that country is a threat. The dispute is whether a court can ignore the stated purpose of a law and use sound bites, tweets, and other extraneous information to divine the "real reason" for the law and strike a law down based on what the court wants you to believe is the "real reason."

This would allow courts to make laws instead of interpret them because there is no way anyone can get into the head of anyone else to find the "real reason" for anything.

Maybe the real reason for the 90 day wait is to deter Muslim immigration but it is not the court's business to tell us that.

BTW, Fred Korematsu's problems were caused by Emperor Hirohito, not President Roosevelt.
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"No person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence" [Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965]
 
Happiness said:
No one disputes the Prez can ban immigration from any country if he feels that country is a threat. The dispute is whether a court can ignore the stated purpose of a law and use sound bites, tweets, and other extraneous information to divine the "real reason" for the law and strike a law down based on what the court wants you to believe is the "real reason."

This would allow courts to make laws instead of interpret them because there is no way anyone can get into the head of anyone else to find the "real reason" for anything.

Maybe the real reason for the 90 day wait is to deter Muslim immigration but it is not the court's business to tell us that.

BTW, Fred Korematsu's problems were caused by Emperor Hirohito, not President Roosevelt.
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Um, try Google-ing "mens rea."
 
Kelly Ann Conway's husband:

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