Immigration Ban

Just a bit of false equivalency here, no? Trump tweeted about crime in Sweden. Yes, crime occurs at a high rate in poor communities, immigrants or not.

The Dept of Homeland Security has concluded that banning all travel from certain Muslim countries, not all of them curiously, would not be effective in reducing terrorism.
 
This is a helpful ally to the cause...

'Illegal immigrant' terrorist wants to organize 'new women's march'

http://dailym.ai/2lZ6cez

Rasmea Yousef Odeh is one of 8 calling for a US-wide female strike on March 8
Odeh was convicted in 1970 of planting four bombs in Israel; two detonated
One killed two men, 21 and 22, in a shop; another damaged the British Consulate
The Palestinian woman served 10 years before being released in a prisoner swap
In 1995 she arrived in the US, and did not admit to having been convicted before
Nine years on she applied for US citizenship; again she didn't mention conviction
In 2013 she was put on trial for immigration fraud in Detroit, Michigan
She claimed she didn't know she had to admit to international convictions too
She was found guilty in 2015 but after an appeal she is being tried again
 
Yesterday on my twitter feed, people were going nuts with the guy in Germany who ran over three people, but hardly anyone mentioned the drunk in New Orleans who crashed into a crowd, injuring 28.
 
this applies both to the left and right , but of late , more to the right .  There is a reason high levels of Trump support are strongly correlated with education level, regardless of income.

WHY FACTS DON?T CHANGE OUR MINDS
New discoveries about the human mind show the limitations of reason.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds


Consider what?s become known as ?confirmation bias,? the tendency people have to embrace information that supports their beliefs and reject information that contradicts them. Of the many forms of faulty thinking that have been identified, confirmation bias is among the best catalogued; it?s the subject of entire textbooks? worth of experiments. One of the most famous of these was conducted, again, at Stanford. For this experiment, researchers rounded up a group of students who had opposing opinions about capital punishment. Half the students were in favor of it and thought that it deterred crime; the other half were against it and thought that it had no effect on crime.

The students were asked to respond to two studies. One provided data in support of the deterrence argument, and the other provided data that called it into question. Both studies?you guessed it?were made up, and had been designed to present what were, objectively speaking, equally compelling statistics. The students who had originally supported capital punishment rated the pro-deterrence data highly credible and the anti-deterrence data unconvincing; the students who?d originally opposed capital punishment did the reverse. At the end of the experiment, the students were asked once again about their views. Those who?d started out pro-capital punishment were now even more in favor of it; those who?d opposed it were even more hostile.

If reason is designed to generate sound judgments, then it?s hard to conceive of a more serious design flaw than confirmation bias. Imagine, Mercier and Sperber suggest, a mouse that thinks the way we do. Such a mouse, ?bent on confirming its belief that there are no cats around,? would soon be dinner. To the extent that confirmation bias leads people to dismiss evidence of new or underappreciated threats?the human equivalent of the cat around the corner?it?s a trait that should have been selected against. The fact that both we and it survive, Mercier and Sperber argue, proves that it must have some adaptive function, and that function, they maintain, is related to our ?hypersociability.?

Mercier and Sperber prefer the term ?myside bias.? Humans, they point out, aren?t randomly credulous. Presented with someone else?s argument, we?re quite adept at spotting the weaknesses. Almost invariably, the positions we?re blind about are our own.

A recent experiment performed by Mercier and some European colleagues neatly demonstrates this asymmetry. Participants were asked to answer a series of simple reasoning problems. They were then asked to explain their responses, and were given a chance to modify them if they identified mistakes. The majority were satisfied with their original choices; fewer than fifteen per cent changed their minds in step two.

In step three, participants were shown one of the same problems, along with their answer and the answer of another participant, who?d come to a different conclusion. Once again, they were given the chance to change their responses. But a trick had been played: the answers presented to them as someone else?s were actually their own, and vice versa. About half the participants realized what was going on. Among the other half, suddenly people became a lot more critical. Nearly sixty per cent now rejected the responses that they?d earlier been satisfied with.

This lopsidedness, according to Mercier and Sperber, reflects the task that reason evolved to perform, which is to prevent us from getting screwed by the other members of our group. Living in small bands of hunter-gatherers, our ancestors were primarily concerned with their social standing, and with making sure that they weren?t the ones risking their lives on the hunt while others loafed around in the cave. There was little advantage in reasoning clearly, while much was to be gained from winning arguments.

Among the many, many issues our forebears didn?t worry about were the deterrent effects of capital punishment and the ideal attributes of a firefighter. Nor did they have to contend with fabricated studies, or fake news, or Twitter. It?s no wonder, then, that today reason often seems to fail us. As Mercier and Sperber write, ?This is one of many cases in which the environment changed too quickly for natural selection to catch up.?

Steven Sloman, a professor at Brown, and Philip Fernbach, a professor at the University of Colorado, are also cognitive scientists. They, too, believe sociability is the key to how the human mind functions or, perhaps more pertinently, malfunctions. They begin their book, ?The Knowledge Illusion: Why We Never Think Alone? (Riverhead), with a look at toilets.

Virtually everyone in the United States, and indeed throughout the developed world, is familiar with toilets. A typical flush toilet has a ceramic bowl filled with water. When the handle is depressed, or the button pushed, the water?and everything that?s been deposited in it?gets sucked into a pipe and from there into the sewage system. But how does this actually happen?

In a study conducted at Yale, graduate students were asked to rate their understanding of everyday devices, including toilets, zippers, and cylinder locks. They were then asked to write detailed, step-by-step explanations of how the devices work, and to rate their understanding again. Apparently, the effort revealed to the students their own ignorance, because their self-assessments dropped. (Toilets, it turns out, are more complicated than they appear.)

Sloman and Fernbach see this effect, which they call the ?illusion of explanatory depth,? just about everywhere. People believe that they know way more than they actually do. What allows us to persist in this belief is other people. In the case of my toilet, someone else designed it so that I can operate it easily. This is something humans are very good at. We?ve been relying on one another?s expertise ever since we figured out how to hunt together, which was probably a key development in our evolutionary history. So well do we collaborate, Sloman and Fernbach argue, that we can hardly tell where our own understanding ends and others? begins.

?One implication of the naturalness with which we divide cognitive labor,? they write, is that there?s ?no sharp boundary between one person?s ideas and knowledge? and ?those of other members? of the group.

This borderlessness, or, if you prefer, confusion, is also crucial to what we consider progress. As people invented new tools for new ways of living, they simultaneously created new realms of ignorance; if everyone had insisted on, say, mastering the principles of metalworking before picking up a knife, the Bronze Age wouldn?t have amounted to much. When it comes to new technologies, incomplete understanding is empowering.

Where it gets us into trouble, according to Sloman and Fernbach, is in the political domain. It?s one thing for me to flush a toilet without knowing how it operates, and another for me to favor (or oppose) an immigration ban without knowing what I?m talking about. Sloman and Fernbach cite a survey conducted in 2014, not long after Russia annexed the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Respondents were asked how they thought the U.S. should react, and also whether they could identify Ukraine on a map. The farther off base they were about the geography, the more likely they were to favor military intervention. (Respondents were so unsure of Ukraine?s location that the median guess was wrong by eighteen hundred miles, roughly the distance from Kiev to Madrid.)

Surveys on many other issues have yielded similarly dismaying results. ?As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding,? Sloman and Fernbach write. And here our dependence on other minds reinforces the problem. If your position on, say, the Affordable Care Act is baseless and I rely on it, then my opinion is also baseless. When I talk to Tom and he decides he agrees with me, his opinion is also baseless, but now that the three of us concur we feel that much more smug about our views. If we all now dismiss as unconvincing any information that contradicts our opinion, you get, well, the Trump Administration.

?This is how a community of knowledge can become dangerous,? Sloman and Fernbach observe. The two have performed their own version of the toilet experiment, substituting public policy for household gadgets. In a study conducted in 2012, they asked people for their stance on questions like: Should there be a single-payer health-care system? Or merit-based pay for teachers? Participants were asked to rate their positions depending on how strongly they agreed or disagreed with the proposals. Next, they were instructed to explain, in as much detail as they could, the impacts of implementing each one. Most people at this point ran into trouble. Asked once again to rate their views, they ratcheted down the intensity, so that they either agreed or disagreed less vehemently.

Sloman and Fernbach see in this result a little candle for a dark world. If we?or our friends or the pundits on CNN?spent less time pontificating and more trying to work through the implications of policy proposals, we?d realize how clueless we are and moderate our views. This, they write, ?may be the only form of thinking that will shatter the illusion of explanatory depth and change people?s attitudes.?

One way to look at science is as a system that corrects for people?s natural inclinations. In a well-run laboratory, there?s no room for myside bias; the results have to be reproducible in other laboratories, by researchers who have no motive to confirm them. And this, it could be argued, is why the system has proved so successful. At any given moment, a field may be dominated by squabbles, but, in the end, the methodology prevails. Science moves forward, even as we remain stuck in place.

In ?Denying to the Grave: Why We Ignore the Facts That Will Save Us? (Oxford), Jack Gorman, a psychiatrist, and his daughter, Sara Gorman, a public-health specialist, probe the gap between what science tells us and what we tell ourselves. Their concern is with those persistent beliefs which are not just demonstrably false but also potentially deadly, like the conviction that vaccines are hazardous. Of course, what?s hazardous is not being vaccinated; that?s why vaccines were created in the first place. ?Immunization is one of the triumphs of modern medicine,? the Gormans note. But no matter how many scientific studies conclude that vaccines are safe, and that there?s no link between immunizations and autism, anti-vaxxers remain unmoved. (They can now count on their side?sort of?Donald Trump, who has said that, although he and his wife had their son, Barron, vaccinated, they refused to do so on the timetable recommended by pediatricians.)

The Gormans, too, argue that ways of thinking that now seem self-destructive must at some point have been adaptive. And they, too, dedicate many pages to confirmation bias, which, they claim, has a physiological component. They cite research suggesting that people experience genuine pleasure?a rush of dopamine?when processing information that supports their beliefs. ?It feels good to ?stick to our guns? even if we are wrong,? they observe.

The Gormans don?t just want to catalogue the ways we go wrong; they want to correct for them. There must be some way, they maintain, to convince people that vaccines are good for kids, and handguns are dangerous. (Another widespread but statistically insupportable belief they?d like to discredit is that owning a gun makes you safer.) But here they encounter the very problems they have enumerated. Providing people with accurate information doesn?t seem to help; they simply discount it. Appealing to their emotions may work better, but doing so is obviously antithetical to the goal of promoting sound science. ?The challenge that remains,? they write toward the end of their book, ?is to figure out how to address the tendencies that lead to false scientific belief.?

?The Enigma of Reason,? ?The Knowledge Illusion,? and ?Denying to the Grave? were all written before the November election. And yet they anticipate Kellyanne Conway and the rise of ?alternative facts.? These days, it can feel as if the entire country has been given over to a vast psychological experiment being run either by no one or by Steve Bannon. Rational agents would be able to think their way to a solution. But, on this matter, the literature is not reassuring. ?
 
Loco_local said:
Yesterday on my twitter feed, people were going nuts with the guy in Germany who ran over three people, but hardly anyone mentioned the drunk in New Orleans who crashed into a crowd, injuring 28.

Well, I am TERRIFIED of brown non-Christians who might harm me, but a white Christian southerner? Not so much. And don't tell me about no damn statistics! I know what I fear!!!
 
Demands repeating:

"Participants were asked to rate their positions depending on how strongly they agreed or disagreed with the proposals. Next, they were instructed to explain, in as much detail as they could, the impacts of implementing each one. Most people at this point ran into trouble. Asked once again to rate their views, they ratcheted down the intensity, so that they either agreed or disagreed less vehemently."
 
Travel Ban 2.0: Trump Team Learns Value Of Using A Hood To Hide Bigotry
http://abovethelaw.com/2017/03/trav...learns-value-of-using-a-hood-to-hide-bigotry/

Donald Trump is president in large part because he made a direct appeal to bigotry and sexism that was comforting to 60 million Americans. He dispensed with ?political correctness? and was willing to make his hatred for non-white-males obvious.

It?s an effective campaign strategy, in this racist country. But Trump is learning that he can?t govern that way. The Constitution won?t let him. Don?t get me wrong, the Constitution is perfectly fine with racist, bigoted, and sexist laws. You just can?t write them in obviously racist, bigoted, or sexist ways. The Constitution requires that you dress up your discriminatory policies in the language of neutrality. The Constitution requires a level of political correctness that, evidently, the American people do not.

Trump?s revised travel ban executive order seems to accomplish that. The new ban is the same aggressively bigoted policy as the old ban. But this time, the aggression is not naked. It?s wearing a hood. Gone is the implication that Christian refugees would receive different treatment than Muslims seeking asylum. Gone is the notion that people with green cards could be denied entry into their country. Gone is the discrimination against people with valid visas based on their country of origin.

What?s left is just the core stupidity that people from randomly selected, Muslim-majority countries should be treated differently than every other group of people seeking entry into America.

Is that Constitutional?

Well, here?s the problem: You?re supposed to put on the hood before you burn the cross on somebody?s lawn. The hood is what gives you deniability. Here, Trump committed the crime, got called out, and now he wants to put on the hood and say ?I didn?t do that thing you just saw me do.?

We know what this ban is really meant to accomplish. We can look at the first one as a REFERENCE for what the new one intends to do.

Speaking at the press conference announcing the new ban, Jeff Sessions said that the Justice Department believes the new order is lawful ?just like the first one.? I?m not sure why he says that, given that the first was clearly NOT a lawful exercise of presidential authority. To the extent that Justice wants to tie the new ban to the old one, that would seem to hurt the administration?s case that the new one is ?lawful? just because they did a better job of disguising the bigotry.

Obviously, the new ban will be challenged. Will the courts look at the first ban as a ?draft? that has been redlined, corrected, and is now perfected? Or will courts look at the first one to interpret the intent of the new one? That question will probably determine whether Travel Ban 2.0 ends up being constitutional, or not.

This will be the game for the rest of Trump?s presidency. Never forget, his supporters like the bigotry. That?s why they voted for him. The question is simply how openly bigoted they can be, within in the bounds of the Constitution.
 
Delivering on another promise...

Why Trump's new travel ban will leave the left helpless

First and foremost, the court's objection to banning entry to people who already had visas to be in the United States was addressed by the fact that the new travel ban excludes those visa holders.

Even though conservative Constitutional scholars have argued that the federal government has the right to rescind those visas, the Trump administration didn't choose to assert that right. And in so doing, the most potent legal aspect in the appeal decision has been defused

But the case has also been fought in the court of public opinion. And the anti-immigration ban forces wisely latched on to the plight of many Iraqi citizens and ex-soldiers who had fought alongside U.S. forces in the recent past.

The sheer number of those Iraqis is large compared to most other groups seeking asylum, and their stories garner a lot of justified sympathy in and out of the courts. And so, with that card revealed, the Trump team decided to exclude Iraqis from the new ban and thus eluding another problem.

A lot of the harshest Trump critics have been doubling down lately on the old argument that the president and his administration are unhinged and unable to function logically. Today's repurposed travel ban, and the clever card sharp-like strategy that went into it weakens that argument considerably.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/06/trumps-new-travel-ban-will-leave-the-left-helpless-commentary.html
 
Well this story line seems to have disappeared.  Where are the massive demonstrations?  Why has Washington state not taken the lead in fighting this injustice?...so far poor little Hawaii is  the lone avenger.  Could it be they tipped their hand and the Trump People crafted an order that will be hard to knock down? So far this issue seems to have vanished.
 
They didn't include permanent residents or people who already had valid visas this time around.  You have to admit, that was the most asinine part of the previous executive order. Also, including Iraqis as part of the original ban was extremely foolish considering the military still needs their help to figh ISIS.
 
...Or they baited out the problems and bullet proofed it.

But what it really did was force the most liberal federal court in America and a bevy of advocacy groups to show their cards and give the White House all the information it needed on how to elude the most serious legal and political barriers to this immigration policy going forward.

On Monday, the Trump team used that information and cashed in.
 
morekaos said:
...Or they baited out the problems and bullet proofed it.

But what it really did was force the most liberal federal court in America and a bevy of advocacy groups to show their cards and give the White House all the information it needed on how to elude the most serious legal and political barriers to this immigration policy going forward.

On Monday, the Trump team used that information and cashed in.

You should work for Spicer.
 
Washington state joins Hawaii to become the second state challenging the travel ban. Oregon and New York will also join with other states expected to lend their voices to the effort in upcoming days, Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson said Thursday during a press conference.

Washington state will ask that a temporary injunction issued last month by a federal judge on Trump's initial executive order apply to the newly revised travel ban. If upheld, this would block federal employees nationwide from enforcing the travel ban.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...training-order-applied-new-travel-ban-n731216
 
How will Trump's new travel ban order hold up in court?

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/how_will_trumps_new_travel_ban_order_hold_up_in_court/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

Opponents say they still have a strong argument that the order targets members of a specific religion because they have Muslim majorities: Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. (Iraq was dropped.)

?That evidence is baked in; you can?t change the past,? Stephen Logomsky told Reuters. He was chief counsel at the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Obama Administration and noted that Trump said early on that he wanted a ban on Muslims entering the country. But still, Logomsky said of coming legal challenges to the order, ?It?s not a slam dunk.?

When the 9th Circuit in February upheld a nationwide injunction against the travel ban, it did not rule on the question of discrimination against religious beliefs, but said that the plaintiffs ?raise serious allegations and present significant constitutional questions? about the intent.
 
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