ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 51.1%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
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sgip said:
I had high hopes for this to catch on, but alas, another failure looms:

www.thedrive.com

VW Calls Off 2026 ID Buzz in US—and It May Never Come Back

Those pesky "market conditions" might kill off the nostalgic EV we all waited years for.
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A refurbished 1970ish Brazilian made Type 2 bus powered by an anemic ICE engine will set you back about 1/2 the cost of a brand new ID Buzz.

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Demand for these are never ending. Had VW just built the Buzz with an ICE powerplant and an automatic transmission it could have made a market for itself just based on nostalga, just as the "New Bug" did for VW in the 2000's.
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As I have said…VW makes bad financial decisions 🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈
 
EV minivan would be very nice but Buzz was overpriced for the range. 200+ mi range is ok but not for $60k.

As I said, EV makers will shift to more affordable models because morekaos thinks they all cost over $100k.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
EV minivan would be very nice but Buzz was overpriced for the range. 200+ mi range is ok but not for $60k.

As I said, EV makers will shift to more affordable models because morekaos thinks they all cost over $100k.
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What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.
 
OCtoSV said:
What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.
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It’s Unobtanium….😂😂😂😂🦄🌈
 
OCtoSV said:
What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.
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Did Tesla make any operating profit absent the clean vehicle tax credit sales to other manufacturers?
 
Common sense should not cost $19 Billion….Apparently virtue signaling does…🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👎🏽🌈🦄

Ford’s Felonious Failure

Ford’s EV misfortunes have reached a nearly unimaginable low. The company announced Monday that it’s taking a $19.5 billion writedown while eliminating a number of its EV models. Reuters calls it “the most dramatic example yet of the auto industry’s retreat from battery-powered models,” while the Daily Mail says it’s “a major retreat from Ford’s most ambitious EV bet.”

Energy author Robert Bryce simply says Ford’s EV fixation was “felony stupid” and wonders how CEO Jim Farley still has a job.

“The hard truth is that Ford, which makes its money by selling F-150s and other trucks, didn’t understand who its customers are,” he says. “EVs have always been a niche-market product, not a mass-market one. And that niche market is dominated by wealthy, white, male, liberal voters who live in a handful of heavily Democratic cities and counties.” (I rest my case @TMCC😂😂)

Bryce figures the company’s total losses caused by its EV infatuation will be more than $35 billion.

“Since 2022, Ford’s losses on its EVs are more than three times the amount it made in profit!”

Ford’s Felonious Failure – Issues & Insights
 
Honda not giving up on EVs, going to build their own dedicated EV platform instead of relying on GM:

electrek.co

Honda buys out EV battery plant in the US for nearly $3B as it preps for an all-new lineup

Honda agreed to buy its co-owned EV battery plant in Ohio from LG Energy Solutions as it prepares for an...
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Hyundai also increasing their EV push:

electrek.co

Hyundai is emerging as a dark horse in the US with plans to ramp up capacity

Hyundai is chasing its fifth straight record sales year in the US, but it has even bigger plans over the...
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Hopefully their EV minivan makes it to the US:

electrek.co

Hyundai is about to unveil its biggest EV yet, but that's not all

Hyundai is gearing up to reveal “its biggest EV yet” at the Brussels Motor Show next month. The new EV...
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And this doesn't even include all the EVx models their sister Kia is pushing out.

For EVah!
 
morekaos said:
…that does nothing but go up in value every year you own it. All EV’s do is fall in value the second you get in it.. and I am not making you help me buy it…every penny of that purchase is my own. 😂😂😂🦄🌈
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The search has ended, and true to my word, my next purchase was an ICE vehicle…now my wife gets to drive around a constantly appreciating asset, and have fun. She would’ve hated driving a new EV. And she would’ve certainly hated losing money every year on it.😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸IMG_7394.jpeg
 
Wake me when universal EV ranges hits 500 miles per charge, an average $35k price point for a 4+ seater bigger than a SMART car, and a sub 5 minute recharge to 80% of battery. These benchmarks are getting closer than you may think, but until then it's still ICE, ICE baby.
 
sgip said:
Wake me when universal EV ranges hits 500 miles per charge, an average $35k price point for a 4+ seater bigger than a SMART car, and a sub 5 minute recharge to 80% of battery. These benchmarks are getting closer than you may think, but until then it's still ICE, ICE baby.
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if EVs can do all of that, then ICE cars become dinosaurs. right now I see there are pro and cons, depending on one's need and preference.
The most typical setup is having an EV as a commuter car and charge at home, while having an ICE SUV for the shopping errands and family road trips.
 
The Motor Court Company said:
if EVs can do all of that, then ICE cars become dinosaurs. right now I see there are pro and cons, depending on one's need and preference.
The most typical setup is having an EV as a commuter car and charge at home, while having an ICE SUV for the shopping errands and family road trips.
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Again, if they can do all that and gain market share I’m all for it…just don’t do it on my dime. Earn your place in the economy, don’t use our taxpayer money to try and slant the pitch🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸
 
The Motor Court Company said:
if EVs can do all of that, then ICE cars become dinosaurs. right now I see there are pro and cons, depending on one's need and preference.
The most typical setup is having an EV as a commuter car and charge at home, while having an ICE SUV for the shopping errands and family road trips.
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We've been 1 EV since Jan 2011 and 2 EV (100%) since 2019. People should buy whatever they want but over time the shift is inevitable.
 
Like China, EREV is really just a bridge to full BEV but has a use case for either more rural areas without charging infrastructure (like many states in the US) or where range/power is more ideal (like trucks that need the towing capacity over longer distances).

As battery range increases and charging time and cost decreases, EREVs will become less needed:


This was like us... we did PHEV before we went EV and once we realized we rarely drive long distances, we ditched ICE altogether. We did a road trip a while back and I just rented a minivan (I miss that class of vehicle). Total cost was about $200 for rental and $150 for fuel and that would have probably been around about $100-$150 for public EV charging. That extra $200 was much less than plane tickets for all of us. So just "fuel" costs are about the same.. it would just be the extra time to do so... but I can say that each of our fueling stops were probably half an hour or more which with DC fast or Super charging... that's around the same time.
 
This is for the "I disappear when I'm wrong" LL:

Elon Musk claims Tesla Model Y is best-selling car in the world, but there are serious doubts

Elon Musk is ending the year by doubling down on a narrative that looks increasingly shaky against the backdrop of...
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Model Y was globally the best selling car in 2023, probably tied in 2024, but more like 3rd place 2025.

So while it is slowing... top 3 around the world is very good for an EV. Something to note is Tesla sales increased from 2020 to 2022 when they had no Fed credit, but that was when the 3 was in full production and 2020 is when the Y debuted.

Toyota (morekaos' fave) is killing it with the Rav4 (and surprisingly the Corolla) but that speaks to their reliability and fuel economy. I think both those lines are going all hybrid/PHEV next model year.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Toyota (morekaos' fave) is killing it with the Rav4 (and surprisingly the Corolla) but that speaks to their reliability and fuel economy. I think both those lines are going all hybrid/PHEV next model year.
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and as I’ve always said, (while you and others called them dinosaurs and sticks in the mud) Toyota has had this figured out from the start. Knee jerk abandonment of ICE was clearly the wrong decision.🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸
 
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