ICE or EV?

[morekaos]

I had high hopes for this to catch on, but alas, another failure looms:

VW Calls Off 2026 ID Buzz in US—and It May Never Come Back

Those pesky "market conditions" might kill off the nostalgic EV we all waited years for.

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A refurbished 1970ish Brazilian made Type 2 bus powered by an anemic ICE engine will set you back about 1/2 the cost of a brand new ID Buzz.

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Demand for these are never ending. Had VW just built the Buzz with an ICE powerplant and an automatic transmission it could have made a market for itself just based on nostalga, just as the "New Bug" did for VW in the 2000's.

As I have said…VW makes bad financial decisions

 

[irvinehomeowner]

EV minivan would be very nice but Buzz was overpriced for the range. 200+ mi range is ok but not for $60k.

As I said, EV makers will shift to more affordable models because morekaos thinks they all cost over $100k.

 

[OCtoSV]

EV minivan would be very nice but Buzz was overpriced for the range. 200+ mi range is ok but not for $60k.

As I said, EV makers will shift to more affordable models because morekaos thinks they all cost over $100k.

What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.

 

[morekaos]

What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.

It’s Unobtanium….

 

[freedomcm]

What you fail to comprehend is due to their massive head start in software and materials science only Tesla can turn a profit on EVs - the rest are years away, and it may be a totally intractable problem for them. The type of vehicle doesn’t matter.

Did Tesla make any operating profit absent the clean vehicle tax credit sales to other manufacturers?

 

[The Motor Court Company]

Just bought a Tesla with the intention to use FSD to chauffeur me back and forth from work. Sorry MK.

 

[morekaos]

Common sense should not cost $19 Billion….Apparently virtue signaling does…

Ford’s Felonious Failure

Ford’s EV misfortunes have reached a nearly unimaginable low. The company announced Monday that it’s taking a $19.5 billion writedown while eliminating a number of its EV models. Reuters calls it “the most dramatic example yet of the auto industry’s retreat from battery-powered models,” while the Daily Mail says it’s “a major retreat from Ford’s most ambitious EV bet.”

Energy author Robert Bryce simply says Ford’s EV fixation was “felony stupid” and wonders how CEO Jim Farley still has a job.

“The hard truth is that Ford, which makes its money by selling F-150s and other trucks, didn’t understand who its customers are,” he says. “EVs have always been a niche-market product, not a mass-market one. And that niche market is dominated by wealthy, white, male, liberal voters who live in a handful of heavily Democratic cities and counties.” (I rest my case @TMCC)

Bryce figures the company’s total losses caused by its EV infatuation will be more than $35 billion.

“Since 2022, Ford’s losses on its EVs are more than three times the amount it made in profit!”

Ford’s Felonious Failure – Issues & Insights