ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 51.1%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
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As of Q2 2025, Tesla holds an
8.8% market share in the California car market, placing them third behind Toyota (17.3%) and Honda (11%). They’re responsible for a big dip in legacy luxury auto sales - the numbers prove it.

Moreover the driving experience is insane and most people charge at home for next to nothing ; Supercharger stops are 10-129 mins in avg. Cars are now binary - those with FSD and all others. I rarely drive it myself anymore - it drives me.
 
Globally, 2 vehicles in the top 10 in 2022, the top selling vehicle globally in 2023 and the 2nd most in 2024 means they caught on.

Unless you have a different definition like you do for insurrection and armed.

Is this where you say that's not constitutional?
 
Liar Loan said:
Tesla has been around for over 20 years and they haven't caught on. In fact, many consumers revile Teslas and don't give a second thought to the also-ran EV market.
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I put this exactly into ChatGPT:

Your friend’s take isn’t really accurate. A few things to clear up:
  • Tesla’s age: Tesla was founded in 2003, so yes, it’s been around a little over 20 years. But it didn’t sell its first car (the Roadster) until 2008, and mass-market production didn’t ramp up until the Model S (2012) and Model 3 (2017).
  • Catching on: Far from being an “also-ran,” Tesla has been the global leader in EV sales for years. The Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in the entire world in 2023 (all fuel types, not just EVs). That’s a first in auto history for an electric car.
  • Consumer perception: It’s true that Tesla is polarizing. Many buyers love the cars for their performance, tech, and charging network. Others dislike Tesla due to concerns about build quality, Musk’s reputation, or EV skepticism in general. But dislike ≠ lack of adoption—the numbers show widespread uptake.
  • EV market overall: The EV market is no longer niche. In 2024, EVs made up about 15–20% of global new car sales, with Tesla leading the pack in North America and competing closely with BYD in China.

So while Tesla does face headwinds now (rising competition, slowing growth in some regions, reputation issues), saying they “haven’t caught on” is factually wrong. They’ve already reshaped the auto industry and forced legacy automakers into EVs.

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I don't see you responding to OCtoSV's posts so are you here to talk about ICE vs EVs or moral support for morekaos' lack of EV knowledge? Maybe you can help him find those sub-$100k Teslas he doesn't know about.
 
The boy king is slapped in the face by the laws of economics and gravity as the EV market continues its collapse and CEOs come to their financial senses… making things consumers want to buy and answering to shareholders needs instead of the woke virtue signaling …😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸

Gavin Newsom Slams GM CEO Mary Barra As The Governor Confirms California Won't Offer EV Incentives: 'Sold Us Out'​


California Governor Gavin Newsom has confirmed that the state won't be offering incentives on EVs after the September 30 deadline for the $7,500 Federal EV Credit.

Newsom slammed General Motors Co. GM as well as its CEO, Mary Barra, for lobbying against California's EV mandate, which aimed at phasing out ICE-powered vehicles by 2035, GM Authority reported on Tuesday. "GM sold us out. Mary Barra sold us out," Newsom said.

Newsom also confirmed that the state's bespoke EV incentives, which it planned on offering to boost EV adoption via "backfill" after the September 30 deadline, wouldn't be possible. "We can't make up for federal vandalism of those tax credit," Newsom said, adding that the state would support charging infrastructure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-AA1NbB8k?ocid=sapphireappshare

 
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  • The market for used electric vehicles has never been hotter, with sales increasing by 34% over the year-earlier period, according to Cox Automotive.
  • Used EVs are now almost as cheap as used gas-powered vehicles, on average, with the average used electric vehicle trading hands for $34,700 in August.
  • A number of factors are feeding the buzz around used EVs, including a lot of product from expiring three-year leases, steadily ticking down prices, and evidence that electric vehicles may prove to be more reliable over time than gas-powered machines.
 
That’s putting lipstick on the proverbial pig. The collapse in pricing is a simple supply/demand dynamic. Oversupply of unwanted EVs landing on top of a collapsing demand for said vehicles. Additionally, the artificial jump in sales coincided with the expiration of the used car tax credit just like the new car sales jump…the next quarter sales will collapse without that artificial government bribe….It’s not a positive trend🤦🏽‍♂️👎🏽😂😂🦄🌈
 
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That's not the point but of course you missed it.

When EVs are as cheap as ICE, they sell well (which shows you what people "want to buy") ... I'll let you use your degree to do the math.
 

Oh I read it…Wanted to see if you expected that surge to continue or even strengthen because prices are collapsing so much.
 
The CEO of Ford confirms: Teslas haven't caught on globally

Ford CEO Jim Farley in new interview: "The competitive reality is that the Chinese are the 700-pound gorilla in the EV industry. There's no real competition from Tesla, GM, or Ford with what we've seen from China. It is completely dominating the EV landscape globally and more and more outside of China. China's successful for good reason. It has great innovation at a very low cost," Farley said.

"There's hundreds of companies, and they're all sponsored by their local governments, so they have huge subsidies. It's new brands. It's BYD and Geely, and companies like Nio and Xiaomi, many of which have never been in the car business before, and that's a big advantage for them," he added.

"They have far superior in-vehicle technology. Huawei and Xiaomi are in every car," Farley said. "You get in, you don't have to pair your phone. Automatically, your whole digital life is mirrored in the car. We are in a global competition with China, and it's not just EVs. And if we lose this, we do not have a future Ford."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973029576394551598
 
As predicted, they will either continue the discounts without the Fed's help... or make cheaper EVs.

Ford, GM, Hyundai, Stellantis and BMW(!) are extending the $7500 credit past the 9/30 cutoff.

The new Nissan Leaf will start under $30k.

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 models have been slashed by up to $10k (starting at $35k... I highly recommend the Ioniq 5, one of the best EVs out there).

The new Chevy Bolt will be under $30k.

Even Tesla is trying to release a lower cost trim of the Model Y (although $40k isn't much lower than the current $45k starting price). They should just have focused on the Model 2 instead of the failed Cybertruck.

No AI used for this post. :)
 
daedalus said:
Absolutely not until they figure out their ICCU problem. Stay away.
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Good point.

Almost every mass market EV has a similar issue (DCtoDC interaction) except Tesla (and the luxury brands) who moved away from lead 12v batteries system and have better designed components.

Hyundai/Kia needs to redesign their ICCU unit altogether but we know how that goes.

The Ioniq 5 is still one of the best EVs out there considering functionality, range, charging speed and now price.

My next EV is probably going to be the Kia EV9 which also shares the same platform and ICCU issues so I eat my own dog food. :)
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Good point.

Almost every mass market EV has a similar issue (DCtoDC interaction) except Tesla (and the luxury brands) who moved away from lead 12v batteries system and have better designed components.

Hyundai/Kia needs to redesign their ICCU unit altogether but we know how that goes.

The Ioniq 5 is still one of the best EVs out there considering functionality, range, charging speed and now price.

My next EV is probably going to be the Kia EV9 which also shares the same platform and ICCU issues so I eat my own dog food. :)
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They've been on nationwide backorder because they fail so much. So in warranty, it can take months for the dealership to unbrick your car. Once it's out of warranty, it's on you to replace each time it goes TU, while probably still taking months to get. That ICCU is upwards of $2k before labor. If you don't keep cars past the warranty period, then no problem, except for the ferocious depreciation absorbed over a relatively short ownership period. They've come a long ways in a relatively short period of time, but Hyundai is still having teething issues that even domestics don't really have.
 
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