Had my M3 Performance serviced today - tire rotation, cabin air filter etc. had a brake squeak after reversing however guidance was after “only” 52 K miles it was just dirt buildup on the Brembos - I was concerned about warped rotors. What performance car has brakes looking nearly new after 50K miles? I mentioned this to a guy at the restaurant I was at tonight and he called the M3P a Ferrari- eater. A little hyperbolic but for $60K nothing comes within miles .
ICE or EV?
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Now I have two Teslas in my garage. If I had a reason to buy another Tesla today I would do it.
True... Hitler had VW & Mercedes. Trump has Tesla.
morekaos
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…and selling things people want common sense returns to the executive suite….ICE still rules the roost.
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars
Big investment in US brands will also focus on strengthening Jeep and might lead to Chrysler’s expansion
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars | Carscoops
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars
Big investment in US brands will also focus on strengthening Jeep and might lead to Chrysler’s expansion
- Embattled Stellantis wants to invest around $10 billion in its US operations.
- It thinks focusing on Jeep, Dodge, and possibly Chrysler will boost profits.
- A V8-powered Dodge muscle car is reportedly under consideration.
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars | Carscoops
qwerty
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I don’t think anyone wants what Stellantis has to offer. All of their cars are garbage…and selling things people want common sense returns to the executive suite….ICE still rules the roost.
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars
Big investment in US brands will also focus on strengthening Jeep and might lead to Chrysler’s expansion
The Charger Daytona EV is a flop, and although there’s much more interest in the Hurricane combustion Chargers, many fans would certainlyprefer a V8. And though not part of the original plan, that’s looking more possible now that the Trump administration has relaxed emissions requirements.
- Embattled Stellantis wants to invest around $10 billion in its US operations.
- It thinks focusing on Jeep, Dodge, and possibly Chrysler will boost profits.
- A V8-powered Dodge muscle car is reportedly under consideration.
Stellantis’ $10 Billion Gamble Could Bring Back Dodge And Chrysler V8 Muscle Cars | Carscoops
someguy
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I picked up a new Model 3 two weeks ago. Absolutely my favorite car to drive. So quiet, smooth, and efficient. Tesla service has been exceptional with fixing a few details. They gave me a free loaner with free super charging while they work on my car (paint stuff).
Now I have two Teslas in my garage. If I had a reason to buy another Tesla today I would do it.
irvinehomeowner
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See morekaos, there are non-left who drive EVs. 
morekaos
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Oh contrare’….there are fewer to buy and fewer to sell them. This is the stasis that I always advocated for…free markets…I was never against EV’s… just not on my dime…sink or swim…eat what you kill economics…that’s what I like….
The $7,500 federal “incentive” dangled as an inducement to move the EV needle has expired. This means EV sales — if you want to use that word to describe a transaction involving the buyer, the seller, and you, the party who is taxed to “help” facilitate it — are likely to slide even farther below the waterline than they already were. This tends to happen when people are obliged to pay full price for a thing that is only tempting to them when it is heavily discounted — like those half-off dented cans of soup you sometimes see on sale at the supermarket.
…the government never does that. It only “incentivizes” that which is unwanted by most of us — who are also the ones “helping” to pay for the “incentives” awarded to the few who do.
With the “incentive” to buy electric vehicles gone, the incentive to try selling them is, too. Dodge just announced it won’t be trying to sell the highest-performance iteration of its “electrified” Charger, the Banshee, leaving just one iteration of this electric high-performance car — Dodge’s attempt to sell a Tesla — available, with total cancellation inevitable as the thing has been a sales disaster for Dodge.
“Stellantis continues to reassess its product strategy to align with consumer demand. Our plan ensures we offer customers a range of vehicles with flexible powertrain options that best meet their needs. With the great news announced in July that Stellantis is bringing back its iconic SRT performance division (Street and Racing Technology), it follows that we are also reviewing the plan for future SRT vehicles.”
Ford’s CEO, Jim Farley, publicly admitted the other day that the ending of the “incentives” is going to cut EV sales in half.
Farley on Tuesday said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if sales of EVs fell from a market share of around 10-12 percent this month, which is expected to be a record, to 5 percent after the incentive program ends.“I think it’s going to be a vibrant industry, but it’s going to be smaller, way smaller than we thought, especially with the policy change in the tailpipe emissions, plus the $7,500 consumer incentive going away.”
Just before the inevitable plunge. It was sad to watch that happen in the movie; all those people clinging to life for a little while longer. But it’s wonderfully enjoyable to watch the EV ship go down. Not out of contempt for EVs but contempt for the way they’ve been pushed on us in a manner not unlike the drugs of Pfizer, et al were pushed on people. EVs, as such, are just another alternative, and there’s nothing objectionable about presenting alternatives to people, who are free to buy them or not.
The objectionable thing is the way alternatives to EVs were being pushed off the market via nonsense such as “tailpipe emissions” (sic) regulations that were designed to mislead people and to shove people into EVs, leaving no alternative to them.
Celebrating the End of EVs | The American Spectator | USA News and Politics
Celebrating the End of EVs
At least the government incentives that distort the market.
At least the government incentives that distort the market.
The $7,500 federal “incentive” dangled as an inducement to move the EV needle has expired. This means EV sales — if you want to use that word to describe a transaction involving the buyer, the seller, and you, the party who is taxed to “help” facilitate it — are likely to slide even farther below the waterline than they already were. This tends to happen when people are obliged to pay full price for a thing that is only tempting to them when it is heavily discounted — like those half-off dented cans of soup you sometimes see on sale at the supermarket.
…the government never does that. It only “incentivizes” that which is unwanted by most of us — who are also the ones “helping” to pay for the “incentives” awarded to the few who do.
With the “incentive” to buy electric vehicles gone, the incentive to try selling them is, too. Dodge just announced it won’t be trying to sell the highest-performance iteration of its “electrified” Charger, the Banshee, leaving just one iteration of this electric high-performance car — Dodge’s attempt to sell a Tesla — available, with total cancellation inevitable as the thing has been a sales disaster for Dodge.
“Stellantis continues to reassess its product strategy to align with consumer demand. Our plan ensures we offer customers a range of vehicles with flexible powertrain options that best meet their needs. With the great news announced in July that Stellantis is bringing back its iconic SRT performance division (Street and Racing Technology), it follows that we are also reviewing the plan for future SRT vehicles.”
Ford’s CEO, Jim Farley, publicly admitted the other day that the ending of the “incentives” is going to cut EV sales in half.
Farley on Tuesday said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if sales of EVs fell from a market share of around 10-12 percent this month, which is expected to be a record, to 5 percent after the incentive program ends.“I think it’s going to be a vibrant industry, but it’s going to be smaller, way smaller than we thought, especially with the policy change in the tailpipe emissions, plus the $7,500 consumer incentive going away.”
Just before the inevitable plunge. It was sad to watch that happen in the movie; all those people clinging to life for a little while longer. But it’s wonderfully enjoyable to watch the EV ship go down. Not out of contempt for EVs but contempt for the way they’ve been pushed on us in a manner not unlike the drugs of Pfizer, et al were pushed on people. EVs, as such, are just another alternative, and there’s nothing objectionable about presenting alternatives to people, who are free to buy them or not.
The objectionable thing is the way alternatives to EVs were being pushed off the market via nonsense such as “tailpipe emissions” (sic) regulations that were designed to mislead people and to shove people into EVs, leaving no alternative to them.
Celebrating the End of EVs | The American Spectator | USA News and Politics
Liar Loan
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See morekaos, there are non-left who drive EVs.
True... Hitler had VW & Mercedes. Trump has Tesla.
morekaos
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And Ferrari cuts its future EV production by 50% without ever bringing and EV to market….Smart company that reads the room well…pile in …
Ferrari said it would target a 2030 sports car model line-up made up of 40% internal combustion engine (ICE) cars, 40% hybrid and 20% fully electric vehicles.
Ferrari said the revised target, which is down from a prior goal of 40% EV sales by the end of the decade, is the result of a client-centric approach, the current environment and its expected evolution.
The pivot comes as the Italian carmaker lifted the hood on the technology set to power its maiden electric vehicle. Ferrari unveiled the production-ready chassis and powertrain of the “elettrica” during a technology and innovation workshop, saying it would start deliveries of the model in late 2026.
The completed car is expected to be launched at a global premiere next year.
Electric ambitions
Several global carmakers have scaled back their EV sales targets in recent months, citing factors such a lack of affordable models, a slower-than-anticipated rollout of charging points and intense competition from China.
Sweden’s Volvo Cars, for instance, abandoned its heavily promoted plan to sell only EVs by 2030, saying in September last year that it needed to be “pragmatic and flexible” amid changing market conditions.
Ferrari unveils first electric vehicle and cuts 2030 EV sales target
Ferrari said it would target a 2030 sports car model line-up made up of 40% internal combustion engine (ICE) cars, 40% hybrid and 20% fully electric vehicles.
Ferrari said the revised target, which is down from a prior goal of 40% EV sales by the end of the decade, is the result of a client-centric approach, the current environment and its expected evolution.
The pivot comes as the Italian carmaker lifted the hood on the technology set to power its maiden electric vehicle. Ferrari unveiled the production-ready chassis and powertrain of the “elettrica” during a technology and innovation workshop, saying it would start deliveries of the model in late 2026.
The completed car is expected to be launched at a global premiere next year.
Electric ambitions
Several global carmakers have scaled back their EV sales targets in recent months, citing factors such a lack of affordable models, a slower-than-anticipated rollout of charging points and intense competition from China.
Sweden’s Volvo Cars, for instance, abandoned its heavily promoted plan to sell only EVs by 2030, saying in September last year that it needed to be “pragmatic and flexible” amid changing market conditions.
Ferrari unveils first electric vehicle and cuts 2030 EV sales target
irvinehomeowner
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Still producing an EV.
I read an article that the top 2 most powerful cars in the world are electric.
I read an article that the top 2 most powerful cars in the world are electric.
irvinehomeowner
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morekaos touch
morekaos
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I was a buyer today