ICE or EV?

[OCtoSV]

As of Q2 2025, Tesla holds an
8.8% market share in the California car market, placing them third behind Toyota (17.3%) and Honda (11%). They’re responsible for a big dip in legacy luxury auto sales - the numbers prove it.

Moreover the driving experience is insane and most people charge at home for next to nothing ; Supercharger stops are 10-129 mins in avg. Cars are now binary - those with FSD and all others. I rarely drive it myself anymore - it drives me.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Globally, 2 vehicles in the top 10 in 2022, the top selling vehicle globally in 2023 and the 2nd most in 2024 means they caught on.

Unless you have a different definition like you do for insurrection and armed.

Is this where you say that's not constitutional?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Tesla has been around for over 20 years and they haven't caught on. In fact, many consumers revile Teslas and don't give a second thought to the also-ran EV market.

I put this exactly into ChatGPT:

Your friend’s take isn’t really accurate. A few things to clear up:

• Tesla’s age: Tesla was founded in 2003, so yes, it’s been around a little over 20 years. But it didn’t sell its first car (the Roadster) until 2008, and mass-market production didn’t ramp up until the Model S (2012) and Model 3 (2017).
• Catching on: Far from being an “also-ran,” Tesla has been the global leader in EV sales for years. The Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in the entire world in 2023 (all fuel types, not just EVs). That’s a first in auto history for an electric car.
• Consumer perception: It’s true that Tesla is polarizing. Many buyers love the cars for their performance, tech, and charging network. Others dislike Tesla due to concerns about build quality, Musk’s reputation, or EV skepticism in general. But dislike ≠ lack of adoption—the numbers show widespread uptake.
• EV market overall: The EV market is no longer niche. In 2024, EVs made up about 15–20% of global new car sales, with Tesla leading the pack in North America and competing closely with BYD in China.

So while Tesla does face headwinds now (rising competition, slowing growth in some regions, reputation issues), saying they “haven’t caught on” is factually wrong. They’ve already reshaped the auto industry and forced legacy automakers into EVs.

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I don't see you responding to OCtoSV's posts so are you here to talk about ICE vs EVs or moral support for morekaos' lack of EV knowledge? Maybe you can help him find those sub-$100k Teslas he doesn't know about.