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ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 15 62.5%
  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24

irvinehomeowner

Well-known member
The "genius" of the man-made caused climate change argument is any apparent change can be attributed to man-made causes. Since change is constant, well, the believers constantly confirm their beliefs.

Too much snow? Man's fault, buy an EV. Not enough rain? Man's fault, buy an EV. Too hot? Man's fault, buy an EV. Disagree? You're obviously ignorant to The Science(TM).
I can agree with this.

But the reverse can also apply to those who don't want to embrace new technology.

Telephone? Why would I want to talk to someone I can't see? Television? Who needs that in their house? Internet? For what? Smart phone? Why combine all those technologies that I didn't like in the first place into one portable device? EVs? There's no climate change... just keep drilling.

Notice... zero science... just fear of magic. :)
 

morekaos

Well-known member
Moron in charge also admits the truth (for once).


Biden admin quietly admits canceling Keystone XL Pipeline cost thousands of jobs, billions of dollars​

The report, which the Department of Energy (DOE) completed in late December without any public announcement, says the Keystone XL project would have created between 16,149 and 59,000 jobs and would have had a positive economic impact of between $3.4-9.6 billion, citing various studies. A previous report from the federal government published in 2014 determined 3,900 direct jobs and 21,050 total jobs would be created during construction which was expected to take two years.

 

irvinehomeowner

Well-known member
Don't stop... beli-EV-in'....


Boom may not even adequately communicate what happened. Around the world, E.V. sales were projected to have grown 60 percent in 2022, according to a BloombergNEF report prepared ahead of the 2022 U.N. climate conference COP27, bringing total sales over 10 million. There are now almost 30 million electric vehicles on the road in total, up from just 10 million at the end of 2020. E.V. market share has also tripled since 2020.
 

morekaos

Well-known member
So convenient and cheap… I’ll stick to my ICE Bronco..and this guy is an advocate…🤦🏽‍♂️🙄😂😂

Man Plugs His $115k Electric Hummer in to Charge on Sunday, Finds Out It Won't Be Done Until Friday


Man Stunned When He Sees Bill for Charging Hummer EV: 'You Won't Believe How Much It Costs'

Charging the vehicle’s 200-kWh battery using the basic rack rate from Electrify America cost $96.32 — and that is without the taxes, which can bring the total price to over $100, Conner said.


They Don't Work In The Cold...


 

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zubs

Well-known member
Charging the vehicle’s 200-kWh battery using the basic rack rate from Electrify America cost $96.32 — and that is without the taxes, which can bring the total price to over $100, Conner said.

$96.32 / 200 = $0.482 / kWh.

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If the Hummer owner charged @ home during offpeak, it would cost:
0.24X200 = $48.

However if they were to charge between 4-9pm, it would cost:
0.62X200 = $124
 

morekaos

Well-known member
$96.32 / 200 = $0.482 / kWh.

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If the Hummer owner charged @ home during offpeak, it would cost:
0.24X200 = $48.

However if they were to charge between 4-9pm, it would cost:
0.62X200 = $124
But it will take 5 days so that math won’t work😆😆😆
 

CalBears96

Well-known member
Since it takes 5 days, this is EXACTLY how the math works:

5 hours at $0.62 and 19 hours at $0.24 average to $0.3192 per hour.
Multiply that by 200 hours gives you $63.83.
 

morekaos

Well-known member
Since it takes 5 days, this is EXACTLY how the math works:

5 hours at $0.62 and 19 hours at $0.24 average to $0.3192 per hour.
Multiply that by 200 hours gives you $63.83.
Plus tax, and five days that I can’t use my $115,000 car. What a joke. Drill baby Drill!
 

Liar Loan

Well-known member
Plus tax, and five days that I can’t use my $115,000 car. What a joke. Drill baby Drill!
Exactly. If you thought waiting 30 minutes to save $3 on your fillup at Costco was a good deal, well you're going to love the new Hummer!!
 
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nosuchreality

Well-known member
Exactly. If you thought waiting 30 minutes to save $3 on your fillup at Costco was a good deal, well you're going to love the new Hummer!!
Can't fix stupid. In this case that's buying $115K vehicle and not installing a $500 Level 2 electrical outlet to charge it overnight. The hummer has a 212 Kwh capacity. So even run dry is just an overnight charge.
 

CalBears96

Well-known member
Can't fix stupid. In this case that's buying $115K vehicle and not installing a $500 Level 2 electrical outlet to charge it overnight. The hummer has a 212 Kwh capacity. So even run dry is just an overnight charge.
Exactly. It saves a lot of time with a Level 2 charger.
 

morekaos

Well-known member
or take your $115,500 and buy regular hummer and fill it up in five minutes for the same amount of money.🤷🏽‍♂️😂
 

morekaos

Well-known member
Like Toyota, GM is quietly hedging its bets….

GM Is Investing Almost $1 Billion in New V8 Engines​

GM said $854 million will be spent to make the sixth-generation small-block V8, and $64 million to help EV production.​


The fifth-generation V8 is currently used in a variety of cars, trucks, and SUVs in a variety of configurations, from the base C8 Corvettes to some versions of the Sierra. News that there will be a sixth-gen comes as only a small surprise, as GM expects to still be selling a lot of gas trucks and SUVs for years to come, likely in part because towing range in electric vehicles still sucks.
 

OCtoSV

Active member
Anyone catch the review of the new Mercedes EQB in the weekend WSJ? In it he explains how Tesla's price cuts, enabled by their fat margins, really spell doom for the rest of the industry while he makes the laughable comparison of the EQB to the Model Y LR. MBZ might be the first to go BK from the EV push but they all eventually will as they're too far behind. He also talked about Tesla's mega die-casting of large scale aluminum structures - apparently far ahead of everyone else. And I thought it was just batteries, software and materials sourcing contracts where I thought they had an advantage.

I took mine down to 8% and it was nice to charge to 50 in 30 mins at the SC. Can't do that with any other EV.
 

Liar Loan

Well-known member

Revealed: how US transition to electric cars threatens environmental havoc​

By 2050 electric vehicles could require huge amounts of lithium for their batteries, causing damaging expansions of mining

The US’s transition to electric vehicles could require three times as much lithium as is currently produced for the entire global market, causing needless water shortages, Indigenous land grabs, and ecosystem destruction inside and outside its borders, new research finds.

It warns that unless the US’s dependence on cars in towns and cities falls drastically, the transition to lithium battery-powered electric vehicles by 2050 will deepen global environmental and social inequalities linked to mining – and may even jeopardize the 1.5C global heating target.

 
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