ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 10 27.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 22 59.5%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 13.5%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • Total voters
    37
morekaos said:
“slated to enter production in 2028.”

…. aggressive move into adoption….NOT!🤪😂😂😂
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As usual... cherry picking... the next sentence after that:

Lamborghini will electrify its entire lineup by the end of 2024, including a Huracan PHEV and Urus PHEV due out next year.

Aggressive enough for you? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
It seems like a crime for Ferrari and Lamborghini to electrify their cars :-(

I wonder if they go all electric if they will lose some of their appeal. There was something about knowing you owned one the fastest cars on the planet. Once you go EV, you may as well get a Tesla S Plaid
 
Here is an article morekaos wrote for CNN:


I can agree with many of the points. I don’t think EVs will replace ICE cars quickly (which is also why I don't agree with those state EV mandates requiring automakers to go non-ICE by 20xx).

But I do believe EVs are better technology and an overall better driving ownership/experience.
 
The manufactures already know that the government mandates are doomed…

Toyota, Stellantis Question White House's Plan To Boost EV Sales​

The carmakers said the plan would force aggressive and unrealistic sales of EVs, putting pressure on critical mineral supplies.​

The automakers have said the plan would force aggressive and unrealistic sales of EVs, putting pressure on critical mineral supplies.

Stellantis and Toyota warned in comments filed with the federal government seen by Bloomberg that the proposed emission curbs for cars and light trucks are overly optimistic and discriminate against plug-in hybrid vehicles.
Toyota said the White House's proposal "underestimates key challenges, including the scarcity of minerals to make batteries, the fact that these minerals are not mined or refined in the US, the inadequate infrastructure and the high cost of battery-electric vehicles."

Stellantis said the EPA had an "overly optimistic expectation for EV market growth" and was "assuming a 'perfect' transition." The automaker also noted that the agency was underestimating challenges such as lagging manufacturing capacity and consumer support, adding significant risk to the auto industry which "must comply with these standards whether these assumptions hold true or not."

insideevs.com

Toyota, Stellantis Question White House's Plan To Boost EV Sales

The automakers said the proposed 2032 model year emission curbs for cars and light trucks are overly optimistic and discriminate against plug-in hybrids.
insideevs.com insideevs.com
 
…and just like Hurricane overhype…EV hype just doesn’t deliver…and you wonder why no one believes the government or media anymore?...🙄😂😂😂

EVs Fall Short of EPA Estimates by a Much Larger Margin Than Gas Cars in Our Real-World Highway Testing

  • SAE International has just published a paper co-authored by Car and Driver's testing director, Dave VanderWerp, showing that, in our testing, EVs are far worse at matching EPA estimates than gas-powered vehicles.
  • The paper compares EPA fuel-economy and range estimates to the results of C/D's real-world highway tests, with EVs failing to meet the EPA's range figures on average.
· A new paper published by SAE International uses Car and Driver's real-world highway test data to show that electric vehicles underperform on real-world efficiency and range relative to the EPA figures by a much greater margin than internal-combustion vehicles. While the latter typically meet or exceed the EPA-estimated highway fuel economy numbers, EVs tend to fall considerably short of the range number on the window sticker. The paper, written by Car and Driver's testing director, Dave VanderWerp, and Gregory Pannone, was presented this week at SAE International's annual WCX conference. It points to a need for revised testing and labeling standards for EVs moving forward.

· "Basically we've taken a look at how vehicles perform relative to the values on the window sticker, looking at the difference between what the label says and what we actually see in our real-world highway test," explained VanderWerp. "We see a big difference in that gap between gas-powered vehicles and the performance of EVs. The real question is: When first-time customers are buying EVs, are they going to be pleasantly surprised or disappointed by the range?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...e&cvid=80d1fdd6cf56445fb4d95c1252b2f314&ei=16
 
^yeah well, still better than paying for how much is gas now?

with ev's, you can fill up every time you go to sleep, no range anxiety
 
…only you rich people can really do that…🙄😂😂😂

Is Biden's electric car dream falling flat? Majority of Americans say federal incentives are not convincing them to buy an EV - and only households earning over $150K are seriously considering the investment

· President Biden's EV push aims to have two-thirds of new vehicle sales be electric by 2032

· Americans in higher income brackets are far more likely to consider owning an electric vehicle, analysis showed

· READ MORE: Biden's electric car push is doomed to fail because EVs are still too expensive, automakers warn



Despite the government offering $7,500 tax credits to motorists who invest in certain EV models, only 29 percent of people said such incentives had any impact on whether they would buy one.

Some 43 percent said it had not impacted their decision at all - and a further 15 percent said it made them less likely to consider the purchase.

Electric cars are much more expensive to buy than their gas counterparts, despite the government touting their cheaper electric fuel. It can take up to a decade to break even on an EV compared to driving a gas-powered car.

Figures from car retailer Edmunds show the average cost of a new gas car in May this year was $47,892, while the typical electric car would set you back $65,381.

For those earning less than $50,000, 84 percent said price was a major or somewhat of a barrier to owning an EV, while this rose to 86 percent of those on a salary between $50,000 and $74,999.

Even for those earning $150,000 or more, 59 percent said cost was holding them back from buying an electric car. Earning over $175,000 is enough to put workers in the top 10 percent of US tax filers.

It comes as electric vehicle sales growth has begun to slow in the US - suggesting that high upfront costs are deterring consumers.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Has Biden's EV dream fallen flat? See results of our exclusive poll

Americans in higher income brackets are far more likely to consider owning an electric vehicle than those earning less, an exclusive DailyMail.com poll has found.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Still don't understand why EVs are political?

Was there a divide when smartphones came out? Or the internet? It's so silly.
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it’s political, because one side is trying to socially engineer the economy using incentives and taxes to create a market that might not otherwise exist, or should be left to form on its own.
 
^we've gone thru this already... so was the oil industry since inception over a hundred years ago (and still going on), google fossil fuel tax subsidies, no need for daily mail

it's political because you make it so
 
morekaos said:
it’s political, because one side is trying to socially engineer the economy using incentives and taxes to create a market that might not otherwise exist, or should be left to form on its own.
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This isn't new. As we've discussed before, the same thing is being done for ICE/oil but in different ways.

At one point in time, to get voters even Trump was saying he was pro-EVs. That's switched now that he knows where his bread is "oiled".
 
wrong, you can’t force a political agenda On the market. Incentives are losing their power, clearly and uptake is slowing. Like the hurricane this is going nowhere. But it will waste a lot of taxpayer money and cost normal people who have to pay more for gas at the pump when shouldn’t have to. All in the pursuit of unicorns and rainbows.
 
really? so no such thing as oil lobbyist?

how much is gas again?

how many times have you seen record profits by oil companies?
 
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