Countdown for in-person schooling

irvinehomeowner said:
And what about the deaths linked to those college covid cases?

Really narrow view morekaos/qwerty but here is one example:
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/report-60-covid-19-deaths-traced-to-college-campuses/

So you guys think Covid will just stay on campus?

It's not just about the kids/students... it's about containing spread.
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I think the 'at-risk' population needs to stay safe without negatively impacting everybody else.  That might sound harsh or callous, but the fact is there are a LOT of measures being taken to accommodate a small % of the population. That's not sustainable. 

Imagine banning all nut-based products because 1-2% of people have a peanut allergy. 
 
That at risk population you mention is over 1/3rd of the population.
paydawg said:
irvinehomeowner said:
And what about the deaths linked to those college covid cases?

Really narrow view morekaos/qwerty but here is one example:
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/report-60-covid-19-deaths-traced-to-college-campuses/

So you guys think Covid will just stay on campus?

It's not just about the kids/students... it's about containing spread.
Click to expand...

I think the 'at-risk' population needs to stay safe without negatively impacting everybody else.  That might sound harsh or callous, but the fact is there are a LOT of measures being taken to accommodate a small % of the population. That's not sustainable. 

Imagine banning all nut-based products because 1-2% of people have a peanut allergy. 
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34% of the population is over 50.

1/3rd of the population across all ages has one or more serious comorbidities for complications from covid.

 
bones said:
So was today the first day for some?  How was it?  Everything you hoped and more?
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Looks just like last week, except the kids are sitting in masks at a school desk.

Actually, I'll modify this a bit, lecture is a bit more engaging as the teacher now livestreams the in class lexture which is still basically the same except the teacher is actually more animate as they're actually lecturing and pointing at their familiar board technology.  But the student involvement is the same.
 
IHO/NSR - so how much longer is this approach sustainable? Is it when the vaccines are available? Is that when we flip the switch to say ok everyone life goes back to normal now. There appears to be plenty of people that will not take the vaccine, do we continue to accommodate those people with the current measures/approach?

There is always going to be an at risk group for covid. At some point those people need to take it upon themselves to not catch it. So where do you draw the line to no longer accommodating an at risk group??
 
qwerty said:
IHO/NSR - so how much longer is this approach sustainable? Is it when the vaccines are available? Is that when we flip the switch to say ok everyone life goes back to normal now. There appears to be plenty of people that will not take the vaccine, do we continue to accommodate those people with the current measures/approach?

There is always going to be an at risk group for covid. At some point those people need to take it upon themselves to not catch it. So where do you draw the line to no longer accommodating an at risk group??
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At what point do you give up the roads because of drunk drivers?
 
I wonder if these are all just various milestones...
- Cases trending down
- Vaccine announced
- Vaccine available (for high risk only)
- Vaccine available to any one
- % vaccinated
- etc

All the while, maybe we reevaluate what school is and what it should be.
 
nosuchreality said:
qwerty said:
IHO/NSR - so how much longer is this approach sustainable? Is it when the vaccines are available? Is that when we flip the switch to say ok everyone life goes back to normal now. There appears to be plenty of people that will not take the vaccine, do we continue to accommodate those people with the current measures/approach?

There is always going to be an at risk group for covid. At some point those people need to take it upon themselves to not catch it. So where do you draw the line to no longer accommodating an at risk group??
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At what point do you give up the roads because of drunk drivers?
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There will always be drunk driving fatalities unfortunately.  We don't close roads, do we?

There will be more COVID deaths for the 'at-risk' population.  We don't need to shut down the country or severely alter our life because of it. 

There is too much being done to protect the smaller fractions of our population when it's at the detriment of the overwhelmingly large fraction of our population.  Now maybe this is temporary until an effective vaccine is out.  And maybe it was OK as an initial reaction back in March when we didn't know the severity of COVID.  But now, if the fatality rate creeps lower, normal life should start to slowly come back. 
 
paydawg said:
nosuchreality said:
qwerty said:
IHO/NSR - so how much longer is this approach sustainable? Is it when the vaccines are available? Is that when we flip the switch to say ok everyone life goes back to normal now. There appears to be plenty of people that will not take the vaccine, do we continue to accommodate those people with the current measures/approach?

There is always going to be an at risk group for covid. At some point those people need to take it upon themselves to not catch it. So where do you draw the line to no longer accommodating an at risk group??
Click to expand...

At what point do you give up the roads because of drunk drivers?
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There will always be drunk driving fatalities unfortunately.  We don't close roads, do we?

There will be more COVID deaths for the 'at-risk' population.  We don't need to shut down the country or severely alter our life because of it. 

There is too much being done to protect the smaller fractions of our population when it's at the detriment of the overwhelmingly large fraction of our population.  Now maybe this is temporary until an effective vaccine is out.  And maybe it was OK as an initial reaction back in March when we didn't know the severity of COVID.  But now, if the fatality rate creeps lower, normal life should start to slowly come back. 
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We have DUI check points.

Hold bars and restuarants responsible.

Treat drunk driving as homicides.

Have massively reduced the what the 'drunk' limit is.

Take people's licenses away.

etc. etc.


So yes, life should slowly return to the new reality of normal.  It's not the 3 martini lunch 60s anymore.


In person class?  Sure.  In person class, 38 kids in a classroom, 2500 in the hallway,  no social distancing, all day, no masks as if nothing is happening?    Let's all drink Martinis.
 
Yeah but you generally have to drive somewhere and there is risk through no fault of your own that a drunk driver can kill you.

A drunk driver is impaired and is essentially driving a deadly weapon.

A normal person that doesn?t wear a mask isn?t going to kill you. An at risk person can go to a grocery store with a store full of mask less people and be fine if they wore a mask and face shield and kept their distance if they so choose.

So an at risk person has more control over their own destiny than a family in a car getting slammed into at 80 mph by a drunk driver.

An at risk person can avoid sporting events, bars, restaurant, theaters etc. most people can?t avoid the road.
 
paydawg said:
nosuchreality said:
qwerty said:
IHO/NSR - so how much longer is this approach sustainable? Is it when the vaccines are available? Is that when we flip the switch to say ok everyone life goes back to normal now. There appears to be plenty of people that will not take the vaccine, do we continue to accommodate those people with the current measures/approach?

There is always going to be an at risk group for covid. At some point those people need to take it upon themselves to not catch it. So where do you draw the line to no longer accommodating an at risk group??
Click to expand...

At what point do you give up the roads because of drunk drivers?
Click to expand...

There will always be drunk driving fatalities unfortunately.  We don't close roads, do we?

There will be more COVID deaths for the 'at-risk' population.  We don't need to shut down the country or severely alter our life because of it. 

There is too much being done to protect the smaller fractions of our population when it's at the detriment of the overwhelmingly large fraction of our population.  Now maybe this is temporary until an effective vaccine is out.  And maybe it was OK as an initial reaction back in March when we didn't know the severity of COVID.  But now, if the fatality rate creeps lower, normal life should start to slowly come back.
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We did know the results back in March. The recorded tapes by Woodward of Trump says it all. Trump said covid is airborne much worst from the flu.
 
paydawg said:
irvinehomeowner said:
And what about the deaths linked to those college covid cases?

Really narrow view morekaos/qwerty but here is one example:
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/report-60-covid-19-deaths-traced-to-college-campuses/

So you guys think Covid will just stay on campus?

It's not just about the kids/students... it's about containing spread.
Click to expand...

I think the 'at-risk' population needs to stay safe without negatively impacting everybody else.  That might sound harsh or callous, but the fact is there are a LOT of measures being taken to accommodate a small % of the population. That's not sustainable. 

Imagine banning all nut-based products because 1-2% of people have a peanut allergy. 
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Sure... but peanut allergies is not a great comparison here because allergies are not contagious... although... many airlines have banned them from flights... so that 1% has been considered.

I agree we need to keep the at-risk population safe, but harder to do with asymptomatic viruses.
 
qwerty said:
Yeah but you generally have to drive somewhere and there is risk through no fault of your own that a drunk driver can kill you.

A drunk driver is impaired and is essentially driving a deadly weapon.

A normal person that doesn?t wear a mask isn?t going to kill you. An at risk person can go to a grocery store with a store full of mask less people and be fine if they wore a mask and face shield and kept their distance if they so choose.

So an at risk person has more control over their own destiny than a family in a car getting slammed into at 80 mph by a drunk driver.

An at risk person can avoid sporting events, bars, restaurant, theaters etc. most people can?t avoid the road.
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You do realize the irony in your post?

And it's not just at-risk and deaths at stake here... we still don't know the long term effects of Covid on non at-risk people.

You don't die instantly from HIV... do you want to get it?
 
The Students Left Behind by Remote Learning
The desire to protect children may put their long-term well-being at stake.

It soon became clear that, even with the computer, this form of schooling wasn?t going to work for Shemar. He had a wireless connection at his grandmother?s house, but he spent some of his days at a row house, a mile to the southwest, that his mother had moved into, in one of her repeated efforts to establish a home for them. A few weeks earlier, a twenty-one-year-old man had been killed a block away. There was no Internet, and when his mother called Comcast to ask about the free Wi-Fi it was offering to the families of Baltimore schoolchildren, she was told that a previous tenant had applied, so she couldn?t do so herself. It was a familiar situation for her: so often, when she made an effort on her son?s behalf, it foundered quickly in a bureaucratic dead end.

The biggest challenge was not technological. No one made sure that Shemar logged on to his daily class or completed the assignments that were piling up in his Google Classroom account. His grandmother, who is in her seventies, is a steady presence, but she attended little school while growing up, in a sharecropping family in South Carolina. She was also losing her eyesight. One day, she explained to me the family?s struggles to assist Shemar: though three of his four older siblings lived in the house, too, they had jobs or attended vocational school, and one of them had a baby to care for; Shemar?s mother was often absent; and his great-uncle, who also lived in the house, had dropped out of school in South Carolina around the age of eight, and was illiterate.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/05/the-students-left-behind-by-remote-learning
 
Supposedly, the rumor mill has it that there was a case of exposure to a positive COVID individual at College Park Elementary. The class is going to undergo quarantine. Also Woodbridge High School is said to have exposure to 1 case as well.
 
In class exposures are to be expected given the lack of cheap/widely available rapid testing in the US. The real question is how robust is the contact tracing and safety protocols? If everyone is wearing a mask in the class (especially the COVID+ student), the risk of transmission is greatly reduced.
 
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