coronavirus

It's over until the next 3-month surge... or morekaos posts more disinformation (which he can't resist doing if you look at all his other threads).
 
COVID is over. It has been over for some people but now for the majority. It is all about inflation, rising gas price and the war now. Moving on to the next crisis; the question is are they on schedule?
 
...and now even the NYT admits that masks and distancing and shutdowns probably made no difference....like we didn't already know...

Good morning. Life in red America and blue America is quite different. What about Covid caseloads?

Daily life in red and blue America has continued to be quite different over the past few months. It?s a reflection of the partisan divide over Covid-19. Consider:

In the country?s most liberal cities, many people are still avoiding restaurants. The number of seated diners last month was at least 40 percent below prepandemic levels in New York, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, San Francisco, Portland, Ore., and Cambridge, Mass., according to OpenTable. By contrast, the number of diners has fully recovered in Las Vegas, Miami, Nashville, Phoenix, Charlotte, N.C., and Austin, Texas, as well as in Oklahoma, Nebraska and New Hampshire.
Residents of liberal cities like New York, Washington and San Jose, Calif., are still spending significantly more time at home and less at the office than before the pandemic began, according to Opportunity Insights, a Harvard-based research group. In more conservative places, the rhythms of daily life have returned nearly to normal.
During the Omicron wave, schools in heavily Democratic areas were more likely to close some classrooms or require that students stay home for extended periods.
Mask wearing remains far more common in liberal communities than conservative ones.
These stark differences have created a kind of natural experiment: Did Omicron spread less in the parts of the U.S. where social distancing and masking were more common?

The lack of a clear pattern is itself striking. Remember, not only have Democratic voters been avoiding restaurants and wearing masks; they are also much more likely to be vaccinated and boosted (and vaccines substantially reduce the chances of infection). Combined, these factors seem as if they should have caused large differences in case rates.

They have not. And that they haven?t offers some clarity about the relative effectiveness of different Covid interventions.

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?CCPAOptOut=true&campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220309&instance_id=55226&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN&regi_id=74626848&segment_id=85016&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2Fd63d88e6-87b0-5746-b172-cc6eda366999&user_id=40471a56cab8446524853f02d6a73237
 
irvinehomeowner said:
It's over until the next 3-month surge... or morekaos posts more disinformation (which he can't resist doing if you look at all his other threads).
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As I said... disinformation gonna disinformation.
 
morekaos said:
But it was in the New York Times!!!  They are always right!! ;D ;D >:D
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Disinformation at its finest.

You don?t even mention the salient parts of the article:

1. Vaccinations prevent death, death rate was at least 2 times higher in ?red? counties? with data to back that up.

2. Due to the contagiousness of Omicron, that?s where ONE ?expert? said masks were ineffective, but you can?t apply that to previous strains of Covid and no data to back that assertion up.

You just read and present your narrative and very badly at that.

Keep trying.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
morekaos said:
But it was in the New York Times!!!  They are always right!! ;D ;D >:D
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Disinformation at its finest.

You don?t even mention the salient parts of the article:

1. Vaccinations prevent death, death rate was at least 2 times higher in ?red? counties? with data to back that up.

2. Due to the contagiousness of Omicron, that?s where ONE ?expert? said masks were ineffective, but you can?t apply that to previous strains of Covid and no data to back that assertion up.

You just read and present your narrative and very badly at that.

Keep trying.
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..Cause those aren't the "salient" points of this article...Read the title...the "salient points" bare it out.  If you want to make a point about vaccinations find an article that does that and post it.  I can find tons of articles that say the same as this one but you would reject the information on the source alone.  This one does what it says and considering the source it had to hurt them to publish some truth.
 
morekaos said:
irvinehomeowner said:
morekaos said:
But it was in the New York Times!!!  They are always right!! ;D ;D >:D
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Disinformation at its finest.

You don?t even mention the salient parts of the article:

1. Vaccinations prevent death, death rate was at least 2 times higher in ?red? counties? with data to back that up.

2. Due to the contagiousness of Omicron, that?s where ONE ?expert? said masks were ineffective, but you can?t apply that to previous strains of Covid and no data to back that assertion up.

You just read and present your narrative and very badly at that.

Keep trying.
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..Cause those aren't the "salient" points of this article...Read the title...the "salient points" bare it out.  If you want to make a point about vaccinations find an article that does that and post it.  I can find tons of articles that say the same as this one but you would reject the information on the source alone.  This one does what it says and considering the source it had to hurt them to publish some truth.
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You're so full of it. I didn't quote it just to see what you would you say and of course you respond the way you do.

Your reading comprehension is really suspect, so let me help you out.

The article talks about the differences between red and blue populations and goes into some data about why case loads for liberals aren't all that much less than conservatives considering masking and social distancing. He does explain that liberal areas test more therefore that is what could be skewing the numbers.

But... from your own link in which you try to bury the lead:

Vaccines, above all

The first lesson is that Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe illness. Here are the same four states from the above charts, this time with death rates instead of case rates:
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The messiness of the previous charts has given way to an obvious pattern: Covid death has been far more common in red America. Over the past three months, the death rate in counties that Donald Trump won in a landslide has been more than twice as high as the rate in counties that Joe Biden won in a landslide, according to Charles Gaba, a health care analyst.
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Then he goes into a "theory" that masking for Omicron isn't all that effective:

The second lesson is that interventions other than vaccination ? like masking and distancing ? are less powerful than we might wish. How could this be, given that scientific evidence suggests that mask wearing and social distancing can reduce the spread of a virus?

Early in the Omicron wave, at least one expert accurately predicted this seeming paradox. Dr. Christopher Murray, the founder of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, wrote an article for The Lancet, a medical journal, arguing that interventions like masks would have ?limited impact on the course of the Omicron wave.?

I followed up with him by email, and he offered a helpful explanation. Although masks reduce the chances of transmission in any individual encounter, Omicron is so contagious that it can overwhelm the individual effect, he said.

I?ve come to think of the point this way: Imagine that you carry around a six-sided die that determines whether you contract Covid, and you must roll it every time you enter an indoor space with other people. Without a mask, you will get Covid if you roll a one or a two. With a mask, you will get Covid only if you roll a one.

You can probably see the problem: Either way, you?ll almost certainly get Covid.

This analogy exaggerates your chances of getting infected, but it still highlights the basic reason that masks and distancing have had a limited effect. ?It really is a function of the extreme intensity of Omicron transmission,? Murray told me.
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Now I can point out the flaws in his theory... use of only one source, not taking into account that masks are prevention of increasing viral load not just personal protection, etc etc, but even his analogy of rolling the dice points out his error... rolling 1 or 2 vs rolling 1... means you at least reduce your chance by 50%... it's this kind of obtuseness that makes these articles so yummy for morekaos.

Regardless, notice he is only referring to Omicron.

And finally, the article summed itself up:

One, nothing matters nearly as much as vaccination. A continued push to persuade skeptics to get shots ? and to make sure that people are receiving booster shots ? will save lives.


Two, there is a strong argument for continuing to remove other restrictions, and returning to normal life, now that Omicron caseloads have fallen 95 percent from their peak. If those restrictions were costless, then their small benefits might still be worth it. But of course they do have costs.

Masks hamper people?s ability to communicate, verbally and otherwise. Social distancing leads to the isolation and disruption that have fed so many problems over the past two years ? mental health troubles, elevated blood pressure, drug overdoses, violent crime, vehicle crashes and more.

If a new variant emerges, and hospitals are again at risk of being overwhelmed, then reinstating Covid restrictions may make sense again, despite their modest effects. But that?s not where the country is today.
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The first part... the MAIN CRUX of the article is to get vaccinated.

The second part, talks about restrictions like masks and social distancing not either being a) effective with strains like Omicron or b) necessary as more people get vaccinated. It says NOTHING about masks being ineffective overall for the entirety of Covid which is what you are trying to say:

...and now even the NYT admits that masks and distancing and shutdowns probably made no difference....like we didn't already know...
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Read better and disinform less please.
 
Or...instead of yoga twisting the article all over the place with nuance and pretzel logic...the simple and likely true point that masks, distancing and lockdowns were not really very effective...for Omicron or Delta or a cold...any way you twist it the point is moot...the world has moved on to Russia! Russia! Russia and Inflation! Inflation! Inflation!...Even I've moved on to hunting down cheap flights to Cabo....
 
morekaos said:
Or...instead of yoga twisting the article all over the place with nuance and pretzel logic...the simple and likely true point that masks, distancing and lockdowns were not really very effective...for Omicron or Delta or a cold...any way you twist it the point is moot...the world has moved on to Russia! Russia! Russia and Inflation! Inflation! Inflation!...Even I've moved on to hunting down cheap flights to Cabo....
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Nope, your own article only referred to ONE person's ill-advised opinion for Omicron... that's the lie you are telling.

There is no general acceptance of a large scientific study that backs your baseless claim, until you can find that, please stop disinforming people... or better yet, just focus on Russia, inflation and Cabo, because Covid is clearly out of your realm of knowledge.
 
China having another breakout and deltacron variant being found in Europe.

Stay safe... we seem to always get surges when protocols are relaxed.
 
That means Ukraine and Russia cease fire is coming soon.

irvinehomeowner said:
China having another breakout and deltacron variant being found in Europe.

Stay safe... we seem to always get surges when protocols are relaxed.
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zubs said:
Can we use COVID19 to fuck up China?

Since they have a "NO COVID" policy, we can send agents into China with covid to infect their population.
Think of all the lockdowns in different Chinese cities causing mass economic distress all over the world.....

I bet the CIA already ran some simulations.
Plus I heard you can trick covid testing by putting vaseline inside your nose.


Winter Olympics here we come!
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I bet the commies are gonna blame us for it.  Omicron sure is contagious.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-locks-down-entire-province-123544407.html


and due to my wonderful prediction....it's back to CLEO!!!
 
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