Bull run in housing over???

zubs said:
Just did a quick search on the internet, and you can get 1.80% interest for Goldman Sachs savings account.

If you have 300-500K in cash where what would be the best option to invest in current climate? Obviously, an option which gives you freedom to access your cash in case of an emergency. 
 
This is off topic but since we are on a tangent already , thought worth posting .  These comments are not originally mine but were forwarded by a friend. My favorite is #17  --

1. If you need to spend your money in a relatively short period of time it doesn?t belong in the stock market.

2. If you want to earn higher returns you?re going to have to take more risk. If you want more stability you?re going to have to accept lower returns.

3. Any investment strategy with high expected returns should come with the expectation of losses.

4. If you want to hedge against stock market risk the easiest thing to do is hold more cash.

5. No investment strategy can outperform at all times. Almost any investor can outperform for a short period of time.

6. Brilliance doesn?t always translate into better investment results. ?I don?t know? is almost always the correct answer when someone asks you what?s going to happen in the markets.

7. Watching your friends get rich makes it difficult to stick with a sound investment plan.

8. If you invest in index funds you cannot outperform the market. But. if you invest in active funds there?s a high probability you will underperform index funds.

9. If you are a buy and hold investor you will take part in all of the gains but you also take part in all of the losses.  For buy and hold to truly work you have to do both when markets are falling.

10. Proper diversification means always having to say you?re sorry about part of your portfolio.  There is no signal known to man that can consistently get you out right before the market falls and get you back in right before it rises again.

11. Most backtests work better on a spreadsheet than in the real world because of competition, taxes, transaction costs and the fact that you can?t backtest your emotions.

12. Compound interest is amazing but it takes a really long time to work.

13. Investing based on what every billionaire hedge fund manager says is a great way to drive yourself insane.

14. It?s almost impossible to tell if you?re being disciplined or irrational by holding on when your investment strategy is underperforming.

15. Reasonable investment advice doesn?t really change all that much but most of the time people don?t want to hear reasonable investment advice.  The best investment process is the one that fits your personality enough to allow you to see it through any market environment.

16. Successful investing is more about behavior and temperament than IQ or education.

17. Stock-picking is more fun but asset allocation will have more to do with your overall performance.



 
the.irvine said:
zubs said:
Just did a quick search on the internet, and you can get 1.80% interest for Goldman Sachs savings account.

If you have 300-500K in cash where what would be the best option to invest in current climate? Obviously, an option which gives you freedom to access your cash in case of an emergency.

I would look at a CA muni bond portfolio -- with shorter dated bonds .  some of the options can yield as high as 4.25% - 4.5%  now and -- main advantage being no tax hit  both at federal and state level

plus if things get worse , these will outperform equity markets and corporate bonds.  maybe the place you hold your cash otherwise (bank) can help you w this. 
 
fortune11 said:
the.irvine said:
zubs said:
Just did a quick search on the internet, and you can get 1.80% interest for Goldman Sachs savings account.

If you have 300-500K in cash where what would be the best option to invest in current climate? Obviously, an option which gives you freedom to access your cash in case of an emergency.

I would look at a CA muni bond portfolio -- with shorter dated bonds .  some of the options can yield as high as 4.25% - 4.5%  now and -- main advantage being no tax hit  both at federal and state level

plus if things get worse , these will outperform equity markets and corporate bonds.  maybe the place you hold your cash otherwise (bank) can help you w this.

I actually think CDs are a good buy right now...I think you can get 1.5% on a 6 month CD...not great but gives one a lot of flexibility.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
fortune11 said:
the.irvine said:
zubs said:
Just did a quick search on the internet, and you can get 1.80% interest for Goldman Sachs savings account.

If you have 300-500K in cash where what would be the best option to invest in current climate? Obviously, an option which gives you freedom to access your cash in case of an emergency.

I would look at a CA muni bond portfolio -- with shorter dated bonds .  some of the options can yield as high as 4.25% - 4.5%  now and -- main advantage being no tax hit  both at federal and state level

plus if things get worse , these will outperform equity markets and corporate bonds.  maybe the place you hold your cash otherwise (bank) can help you w this.

I actually think CDs are a good buy right now...I think you can get 1.5% on a 6 month CD...not great but gives one a lot of flexibility.

IC makes a great point about flexibility

we are used to thinking about cash as yielding some fixed % -- 0 % in 2014 and now say 1.5-2% depending upon your bank of choice. 

But there is a meaningful option value to holding cash -- which allows you to take decisive action and buy when others are reeling.  this option value should also be considered when thinking about cash.
 
fortune11 said:
Irvinecommuter said:
fortune11 said:
the.irvine said:
zubs said:
Just did a quick search on the internet, and you can get 1.80% interest for Goldman Sachs savings account.

If you have 300-500K in cash where what would be the best option to invest in current climate? Obviously, an option which gives you freedom to access your cash in case of an emergency.

I would look at a CA muni bond portfolio -- with shorter dated bonds .  some of the options can yield as high as 4.25% - 4.5%  now and -- main advantage being no tax hit  both at federal and state level

plus if things get worse , these will outperform equity markets and corporate bonds.  maybe the place you hold your cash otherwise (bank) can help you w this.

I actually think CDs are a good buy right now...I think you can get 1.5% on a 6 month CD...not great but gives one a lot of flexibility.

IC makes a great point about flexibility

we are used to thinking about cash as yielding some fixed % -- 0 % in 2014 and now say 1.5-2% depending upon your bank of choice. 

But there is a meaningful option value to holding cash -- which allows you to take decisive action and buy when others are reeling.  this option value should also be considered when thinking about cash.

Or to ride out any economic bumps of your own.  Worst thing you can do is be forced into making economic choices due to circumstances.  Even if you have to make a move...having more time is almost always better.
 
aquabliss said:
Why would you choose a CD over Amex Savings account giving 1.75% yield:https://www.americanexpress.com/personalsavings/home

I have most of my cash here, no issues so far and good customer service, quick transfers. 

Seems much more flexible than a CD.

I am not sure how those savings account work per se...I know a lot of online banks give good rates. 

I think more flexibility is always better. 
https://www.magnifymoney.com/blog/earning-interest/best-online-savings-accounts275921001/
 
I have money there so I can let you know.  Same as a normal savings account.  They pay you interest monthly based on your balance at the rate stated.  Let me know if any other questions.
 
fortune11 said:
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
I think there will be a crash for properties at or over the 2 million mark coming.  Go check the inventory and see the number of houses not he market compared to a few years ago for houses over 2 mil.

Yes, I'd say, in coastal cities like Orange County.  Anecdotal but I recently had to switch jobs if I didn't want to move to Texas ( ??? ) and was prepared to either take a big pay cut to work for a local tech company or have to find another remote Bay Area job.  Turns out, the OC employment world changed in the last 5 years and there are actually a lot more companies out there making competitive offers.


If money flees the stock market, it's gotta go somewhere. Unless there's some magic government bond with amazing yield that I don't know about, I don't see how a crashing stock market does anything but keep the RE and PE bubble inflated even longer.

Yes, and as I mentioned a few sectors are the exception here such as the tech sector you are a part of.  Interestingly enough, Irvine and OC's concentration in tech and healthcare is also what makes it more resilient in terms of housing demand. 

But isn't this true overall, not just the tech sector?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/COMPRNFB
 
aquabliss said:
I have money there so I can let you know.  Same as a normal savings account.  They pay you interest monthly based on your balance at the rate stated.  Let me know if any other questions.

that's a very solid rate -- I will look into it.  thanks for pointing this out.

is there a min balance required  ?
 
fortune11 said:
aquabliss said:
I have money there so I can let you know.  Same as a normal savings account.  They pay you interest monthly based on your balance at the rate stated.  Let me know if any other questions.

that's a very solid rate -- I will look into it.  thanks for pointing this out.

is there a min balance required  ?

No minimum, I think the only thing to look out for is maximum 6 withdrawals per month so if you move money in and out a lot, not the best option.
 
There were some savings accounts at 2% and 2.25% recently (you would be grandfathered in).  I think highest one now is 1.85%.
 
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
fortune11 said:
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
I think there will be a crash for properties at or over the 2 million mark coming.  Go check the inventory and see the number of houses not he market compared to a few years ago for houses over 2 mil.

Yes, I'd say, in coastal cities like Orange County.  Anecdotal but I recently had to switch jobs if I didn't want to move to Texas ( ??? ) and was prepared to either take a big pay cut to work for a local tech company or have to find another remote Bay Area job.  Turns out, the OC employment world changed in the last 5 years and there are actually a lot more companies out there making competitive offers.


If money flees the stock market, it's gotta go somewhere. Unless there's some magic government bond with amazing yield that I don't know about, I don't see how a crashing stock market does anything but keep the RE and PE bubble inflated even longer.

Yes, and as I mentioned a few sectors are the exception here such as the tech sector you are a part of.  Interestingly enough, Irvine and OC's concentration in tech and healthcare is also what makes it more resilient in terms of housing demand. 

But isn't this true overall, not just the tech sector?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/COMPRNFB

bargaining power is higher in these two areas given demand for specific skills.  other sectors also seeing wages going higher , but more with "beta"  as opposed to sector specific fundamentals.  some cyclicals like construction are also seeing shortage and so are hourly laborers (in restaurants and retail) but they affects marginal consumer spending not the buyer base for affluent communities like Irvine in CA. 
 
aquabliss said:
Irvine Dream said:
Is it over?  Not according to this one

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/101-Diamondback-92618/home/112718985


Aquabliss-  House is nice but is it worth that much?

Nope too high.  Too many other better options that close to $2M.

It's probably worth about $1.59M even with all those upgrades and the nice lot size.

Another $100k drop on Diamondback.  Should have just listed at $1.59M to begin with and saved us all the trouble.
 
aquabliss said:
It?s always the price.  The right priced home will sell in any market environment.

Yeah, but how long it will hold to that phase until the buyers ask for the price reduction on the right priced homes?
 
Mety said:
aquabliss said:
It?s always the price.  The right priced home will sell in any market environment.

Yeah, but how long it will hold to that phase until the buyers ask for the price reduction on the right priced homes?

If it get's to the point where the buyers are asking for a price reduction then it actually wasn't priced right in the first place.
 
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