Waste of time...

I don't think usc or IR2 were overly agressive... but maybe I've been grabbing too much to be impartial.



One of the things I learned from my time on IHB is that experienced, local realtors who actually care for their clients' needs are very hard to come by.



Something RL may want to study if he wants to succeed in this field.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1251036575]I don't think usc or IR2 were overly agressive... but maybe I've been grabbing too much to be impartial.



One of the things I learned from my time on IHB is that experienced, local realtors who actually care for their clients' needs are very hard to come by.



Something RL may want to study if he wants to succeed in this field.</blockquote>
Admit it, you are biased because IR2 and I give you the "inside scope" on properties in Irvine in a timely manner which may result in a bromance. :p
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251038398][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1251036575]I don't think usc or IR2 were overly agressive... but maybe I've been grabbing too much to be impartial.



One of the things I learned from my time on IHB is that experienced, local realtors who actually care for their clients' needs are very hard to come by.



Something RL may want to study if he wants to succeed in this field.</blockquote>
Admit it, you are biased because IR2 and I give you the "inside scope" on properties in Irvine in a timely manner which may result in a bromance. :p</blockquote>


Oh noes... if that is true, then his bromance with me will be even stronger with the inside scope I gave him. Thanks... now I'm going to be known as 3CWG humper. See what you have done!
 
And for the record... I approve of IR2's post in that newbie thread. He deserves the respect from IHB to do that. He has proven himself to be a top notch Realtor, whom IHB respects and wants people to use. Trust me... I busted his balls from the get go, and now he is my Realtor of choice from his professionalism, his IHB approved listings, and his overall approval of IHBers in his knowledge and experience. He has every right to post that he is available.



T-man has always been aggressive, and he has and continues to take sh*t for it. But... I will give him this, people who work with him like him, and he adds value to his service. Much more so than I can say for most Realtors.



Either way, and who one would choose as their Realtor, they are respected and recommended on IHB. Each has their strong points and their weak points, and a buyer needs to decide what is more important to them. I know who I would choose, but I know I am not the typical buyer, and not every Realtor, or any, for that matter will help me find what I need, and I willing to pay for that. Because at the end of the day, if I get the house I want for the price I want, then I will be happy.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1251046668][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251038398][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1251036575]I don't think usc or IR2 were overly agressive... but maybe I've been grabbing too much to be impartial.



One of the things I learned from my time on IHB is that experienced, local realtors who actually care for their clients' needs are very hard to come by.



Something RL may want to study if he wants to succeed in this field.</blockquote>
Admit it, you are biased because IR2 and I give you the "inside scope" on properties in Irvine in a timely manner which may result in a bromance. :p</blockquote>


Oh noes... if that is true, then his bromance with me will be even stronger with the inside scope I gave him. Thanks... now I'm going to be known as 3CWG humper. See what you have done!</blockquote>
That's right, I almost forgot about IHO's bromance for you because of your chart porn and FR maps skills....he eats that stuff up. haha
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1251047522]And for the record... I approve of IR2's post in that newbie thread. He deserves the respect from IHB to do that. He has proven himself to be a top notch Realtor, whom IHB respects and wants people to use. Trust me... I busted his balls from the get go, and now he is my Realtor of choice from his professionalism, his IHB approved listings, and his overall approval of IHBers in his knowledge and experience. He has every right to post that he is available.



T-man has always been aggressive, and he has and continues to take sh*t for it. But... I will give him this, people who work with him like him, and he adds value to his service. Much more so than I can say for most Realtors.



Either way, and who one would choose as their Realtor, they are respected and recommended on IHB. Each has their strong points and their weak points, and a buyer needs to decide what is more important to them. I know who I would choose, but I know I am not the typical buyer, and not every Realtor, or any, for that matter will help me find what I need, and I willing to pay for that. Because at the end of the day, if I get the house I want for the price I want, then I will be happy.</blockquote>
My first compliment from Graphcakes....I just don't know what to say. *eyes tearing up* haha I'll be the first one to admit that I came on way too strong when I first arrived on the forum and I got hell for it but I've learned from it and I'm still around. Guess all those years in the business development side of commercial RE lending commercial lending has thickened my skin. I think focusing on giving back to the forum has proven to be beneficial for both IR2 and myself. I agree that we both have different strengths and weaknesses. There are certain people that would benefit more from having IR2 represent them and then there are other people who would benefit more from having me represent them. For the most part, I really feel that we service each serve a different type of clientele and we both do a damn good job of it because we take pride in our work and strive to exceed our clients' expectations.



Btw, thanks for the carpenter contact info...he did a great job at a good price.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1251047522]And for the record... I approve of IR2 post in that newbie thread. He deserves the respect from IHB to do that. He has proven himself to be a top notch Realtor, whom IHB respects and wants people to use. Trust me... I busted his balls from the get go, and now he is my Realtor of choice from his professionalism, his IHB approved listings, and his overall approval of IHBers in his knowledge and experience. He has every right to post that he is available.

</blockquote>


Of course you do because you have been around a long time and gotten to other posters well. However, IR2 and T shouldn't assume every poster has earned their trust. I think this newbie poster didn't lurk around the site that much. I think if he did he would have had some particular questions about areas of Irvine. Or would have search around and posted questions in the numerous threads that have the information his is looking for. My assumption his is knows very little about the posters here.



That being said, the very first response to his post was flat out asking for his business. In my opinion, considering the audience, that was aggressive.



Let be clear I'm not trying to call into question IR2 or T's reputation. I'm trying to help them be aware of how they can be perceived in a very different light by different people. I think my observation is dead on given the poster later said he wasn't interested in finding a realtor.



Honestly, if Socal was the third realtor in this debate I would have given her my business. She provided the most helpful bit of information by linking the community profiles. And this gets to the heart of my argument. Always tell a client what you can do for them before you tell them what they can do for you. Neither IR2 nor T did a very good job of giving the answers he was seeking. But it was made clear that he could help them by giving them his business.
 
[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1251078462]Honestly, if Socal was the third realtor in this debate I would have given her my business. She provided the most helpful bit of information by linking the community profiles. And this gets to the heart of my argument. Always tell a client what you can do for them before you tell them what they can do for you. </blockquote>


McD... I am speechless ... that is a very big compliment. Thank you.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1250912118][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1250911649]Come on Graphcakes, be nice...it's Friday. Anyhows, back to work for me. BLAH!</blockquote>


F- that 'nice' crap. Newbie troll had it coming. Where's that guy who wanted to do the vacation rentals in that gated community in Fullerton? I need somebody to kick.</blockquote>


OMG Vas, that was truly hilarious!
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1250925291][quote author="RobertLarsen" date=1250914410]Tell me a little about yourself graphix? Wow me... What knowledge and expertise do you have to share?</blockquote>


I have nearly 5000 posts going back to 2007. So either you are not smart enough to find the search button, or like most of your Realturd kin... just too lazy. Here is some visual help for you...



http://i30.tinypic.com/qzodqa.png



Sorry, I could link you to sh*tload of posts of mine proving my knowledge and expertise, but since you are too lazy or not smart enough to at least <em>try</em> to find the info on your own, then why should extend that courtesy to you when you won't do the same for me? You said you were a long time lurker, except you broke my BS meter with that one, because you don't know sh*t about the posters here. If you were a long time lurker, you wouldn't be asking that question about me.



How many more lies do you have for us, Robert? 1. Only licensed for less than a year, not two like you said. 2. Not in the UCI MBA system, like you said you were. 3. Not a long time lurker, because you don't know squat about the posters here.



All you had to do was be honest, and I would be nice. But... oh... no... you had to make a bunch of stuff up. You are a liar and a fake, and a bad one at that.</blockquote>


Graph, when somebody drops a flaming bag of poo on your doorstep, <em>do not stomp on the bag.</em> Just let it burn itself out.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251048433][quote author="graphrix" date=1251046668][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251038398][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1251036575]I don't think usc or IR2 were overly agressive... but maybe I've been grabbing too much to be impartial.



One of the things I learned from my time on IHB is that experienced, local realtors who actually care for their clients' needs are very hard to come by.



Something RL may want to study if he wants to succeed in this field.</blockquote>
Admit it, you are biased because IR2 and I give you the "inside scope" on properties in Irvine in a timely manner which may result in a bromance. :p</blockquote>


Oh noes... if that is true, then his bromance with me will be even stronger with the inside scope I gave him. Thanks... now I'm going to be known as 3CWG humper. See what you have done!</blockquote>
That's right, I almost forgot about IHO's bromance for you because of your chart porn and FR maps skills....he eats that stuff up. haha</blockquote>
Heh... you guys act like you don't want an IHO-mance.



<em>"Don't you wish your girlfriend was an IHO like me... dontcha?!?"</em>
 
High quality trolling - 4chan style.



<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/technology/security/to-hell-in-a-hack-attack-christians-targeted-on-facebook-20090825-exej.html">http://www.theage.com.au/technology/security/to-hell-in-a-hack-attack-christians-targeted-on-facebook-20090825-exej.html</a>



<blockquote>The hackers also caused trouble between the users and their friends, writing on one user's photo that their baby was ?ugly? and on another woman's photo that her teeth matched her skin.



One user posted a note asking people to pray for a sick relative, and the 4chan hackers, posing as one of their friends, wrote: ?If he dies can I have some of his stuff??</blockquote>






<a href="http://thecoffeedesk.com/news/index.php/2009/08/22/4chan-hacked-facebook-pictures/">Here are the screenshots if you want to see them. Don't say I didn't warn you. Do not look here if you are easily disturberd!</a>
 
So I've been taking some time thinking about what McDonna said in regards to usc and IR2's posts in that thread and even going back to re-read it (unheard of on the Internet!).



While I see her point... I don't really think it was too "aggressive". For one, IR2 did point out that what he/she was looking for in lot size was hard to find in Irvine and asked them if they were interested to PM him (because some people may not like to share the exact details (ie financials) of what they are looking for in the open. And I'm still trying to find where usc was pushing his services... he even suggested for them to rent first.



And I don't think the OP said they weren't looking for a realtor, just that they weren't looking for one now and that he/she though their relocation company would handle it (it wouldn't be a bad idea to recommend a local realtor to your relocation company).



The economy is tough right now... especially in RE, not a lot of inventory and and while usc can sort of afford to be more laid back because RE is his part-time gig (although his contract is ending soon), IR2 on the other hand has to do this full-time. If some poster came here asking for expertise regarding a field where one of our regulars had been laid off in... I think any one of us would be first to offer them up (such as someone looking for a financial guru where we would mention IPO).



And this is not the same IHB. What prompted me to post this is I've been looking at the main blog more recently and I always see in big letters:



<strong>Recommended Realtor: Shevy Akason</strong>



No mention of IR2 or usc.



So if they have to put themselves out there more quickly because we don't know how long a new poster will stay in this forum... I don't fault them for it. They've built relationships and reputations here and so I think they deserve a little leeway when marketing themselves because come September... I think it will be even harder once Ideal Home Brokers becomes official.



Just my opinion.
 
I hear ya, IHO. I feel it's sort of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Had the boys not said anything, newbie may have wondered what sort of lackadaisical site this is when they come looking for help and nobody worth their salt responds. Yet, if they do respond, people might think the sharks are circling, so what's a person to do? I understand different people may see it differently, but I thought Deuce's response was gauged appropriately and not too full of canned ham. Just my 2 cents.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1251200871]So I've been taking some time thinking about what McDonna said in regards to usc and IR2's posts in that thread and even going back to re-read it (unheard of on the Internet!).



While I see her point... I don't really think it was too "aggressive". For one, IR2 did point out that what he/she was looking for in lot size was hard to find in Irvine and asked them if they were interested to PM him (because some people may not like to share the exact details (ie financials) of what they are looking for in the open. And I'm still trying to find where usc was pushing his services... he even suggested for them to rent first.



And I don't think the OP said they weren't looking for a realtor, just that they weren't looking for one now and that he/she though their relocation company would handle it (it wouldn't be a bad idea to recommend a local realtor to your relocation company).



The economy is tough right now... especially in RE, not a lot of inventory and and while usc can sort of afford to be more laid back because RE is his part-time gig (although his contract is ending soon), IR2 on the other hand has to do this full-time. If some poster came here asking for expertise regarding a field where one of our regulars had been laid off in... I think any one of us would be first to offer them up (such as someone looking for a financial guru where we would mention IPO).



And this is not the same IHB. What prompted me to post this is I've been looking at the main blog more recently and I always see in big letters:



<strong>Recommended Realtor: Shevy Akason</strong>



No mention of IR2 or usc.



So if they have to put themselves out there more quickly because we don't know how long a new poster will stay in this forum... I don't fault them for it. They've built relationships and reputations here and so I think they deserve a little leeway when marketing themselves because come September... I think it will be even harder once Ideal Home Brokers becomes official.



Just my opinion.</blockquote>
The point that McDonna was making, and a good one at that, is that the both of us need to earn the business before asking for it. I think the timing of our responses (i.e. minutes after the OP made the thread) made it look worse than it really was. The way I got a fair share amount of my clients is because I offered up and provided information without pushing myself onto them because I really do provide realtor information without the expectation of getting anything for it. Think of it as paying it forward and creating some good karma. But at the end of the day, I still think that IR2 and I service a different type of client (I tend to get the Redfin type buyers who take a very active roll in the home buying process). I really believe that there is enough business to go around to everyone...IR2, myself, and Ideal Home Brokers.
 
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