optimusprime_IHB
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Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.
Unreal: YES on 2 and NO on 4
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blackacre-seeker_IHB
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Do you know the link to the proposiitons' results? Thanks much!
optimusprime_IHB
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Use the LA Times interactive map..it's great.
95% of the precints have reported so it's close to being official.
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory">http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory</a>
95% of the precints have reported so it's close to being official.
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory">http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory</a>
optimusprime_IHB
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[quote author="Anon." date=1225932725][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!</blockquote>
Yes, we certainly do, when it comes to the Prop. 8 results. I don't want to get into it with you and so won't say more.</blockquote>
LOL...right.
Yes, we certainly do, when it comes to the Prop. 8 results. I don't want to get into it with you and so won't say more.</blockquote>
LOL...right.
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?
EvaLSeraphim_IHB
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[quote author="WINEX" date=1225933765][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Winex, may I assume from your comments that it is not physically possible for you to be impregnated by your father?
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Winex, may I assume from your comments that it is not physically possible for you to be impregnated by your father?
IrvineRenter_IHB
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[quote author="WINEX" date=1225933765][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Very few 15 year-old girls would get the crap beaten out of them if their teeth needed cleaning.
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Very few 15 year-old girls would get the crap beaten out of them if their teeth needed cleaning.
djtweed_IHB
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[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on Prop 8....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on Prop 8....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?
optimusprime_IHB
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[quote author="GeorgeO" date=1225936385][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on this....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?</blockquote>
If you have to be 18 to vote....then shouldn't you 18 to make a life altering decision?
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on this....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?</blockquote>
If you have to be 18 to vote....then shouldn't you 18 to make a life altering decision?
djtweed_IHB
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[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225936608][quote author="GeorgeO" date=1225936385][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on this....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?</blockquote>
If you have to be 18 to vote....then shouldn't you 18 to make a life altering decision?</blockquote>
Sorry, I was speaking about Prop 8. I should have made that more clear...
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Regardless of how you feel on this....
Ask yourself, is the Constitution the right place for this law? Is this really what our Constitution is designed for, <strong>restricting </strong> someone's rights?
This sets a very scary precedent in my mind. What's next?</blockquote>
If you have to be 18 to vote....then shouldn't you 18 to make a life altering decision?</blockquote>
Sorry, I was speaking about Prop 8. I should have made that more clear...
Trooper_IHB
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<em>Sorry, I was speaking about Prop 8. I should have made that more clear</em>?
Don't be sorry George. Optimus knows exactly what he's saying....he's been crapping all over my Straw Poll on Gay Marriage thread all morning. He's also aligning himself with Rick Santorum....WOW. That's brave in these times of change.
Don't be sorry George. Optimus knows exactly what he's saying....he's been crapping all over my Straw Poll on Gay Marriage thread all morning. He's also aligning himself with Rick Santorum....WOW. That's brave in these times of change.
xsocal land merchant_IHB
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Trooper
Sorry to see the props that you favored lost in several states. I did vote against the constitutional amendment here in AZ.
For some of you here that don't know me I might be considered the "IHB redneck" ( I think that Trooper will agree on that) but still have a very libertarian view and don't really believe that who one marries is the states business.
The rights and happiness of the individual should prevail over the states incursion into personal freedoms or laws based on religious beliefs.
For anyone who dislikes my thoughts then "I'm your huckleberry" as said by Doc Holiday.
Enjoy
Sorry to see the props that you favored lost in several states. I did vote against the constitutional amendment here in AZ.
For some of you here that don't know me I might be considered the "IHB redneck" ( I think that Trooper will agree on that) but still have a very libertarian view and don't really believe that who one marries is the states business.
The rights and happiness of the individual should prevail over the states incursion into personal freedoms or laws based on religious beliefs.
For anyone who dislikes my thoughts then "I'm your huckleberry" as said by Doc Holiday.
Enjoy
bltserv_IHB
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Trooper
I too voted NO on 8. And am a bit surprised that the YES will prevail.
God knows they spent enough money and played the little kid card.
Its just all about fear of things they cant understand.
Have heart.
From a legal standpoint eventually this will get to the US Supreme Court.
Its just a matter of time.
I too voted NO on 8. And am a bit surprised that the YES will prevail.
God knows they spent enough money and played the little kid card.
Its just all about fear of things they cant understand.
Have heart.
From a legal standpoint eventually this will get to the US Supreme Court.
Its just a matter of time.
Nude_IHB
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When looking into the demographic breakdowns, via various news sites, it's not really surprising that the vote broke this way. I'm not trying to claim a bias based on race, just pointing out the facts. Obama generated a huge turn-out of voters who were not inclined to vote for same-sex marriages and also not inclined to restrict abortion any further. I had to double check because I just didn't see Prop 8 passing, and yet there is a direct cause and effect evident in the numbers: segments of the population with higher than normal turnout who overwhelmingly voted for Obama also voted No on 2 and Yes on 8. Specifically, black voters of both sexes, minority women, and self-identified regular churh attendees.
While there isn't much to be done about the church group, the efforts of those who support gay marriage should focus on education and outreach among the other sectors of the population that supported Prop.8 because just blaming the Mormons isn't going to change anything. Their efforts were marginally effective at best.
While there isn't much to be done about the church group, the efforts of those who support gay marriage should focus on education and outreach among the other sectors of the population that supported Prop.8 because just blaming the Mormons isn't going to change anything. Their efforts were marginally effective at best.
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225934793][quote author="WINEX" date=1225933765][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Very few 15 year-old girls would get the crap beaten out of them if their teeth needed cleaning.</blockquote>
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Very few 15 year-old girls would get the crap beaten out of them if their teeth needed cleaning.</blockquote>
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1225934645][quote author="WINEX" date=1225933765][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225932257]Ladies and gentlemen...we live in one "F-UP" world!
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Winex, may I assume from your comments that it is not physically possible for you to be impregnated by your father?</blockquote>
Please Eva. I'm sure we all know that abortion is a form of birth control for the irresponsible. Bringing up incest is nothing but a diversion tactic.
Thank god Prop 8 passed...at least there is a morsel of sanity left.</blockquote>
Personally I find the fact that Proposition 4 was voted down to be very upsetting. We live in a state where a 15 year old girl can decide to have an abortion without parental consent, but can't have her teeth cleaned without parental consent. Where is the logic in that?</blockquote>
Winex, may I assume from your comments that it is not physically possible for you to be impregnated by your father?</blockquote>
Please Eva. I'm sure we all know that abortion is a form of birth control for the irresponsible. Bringing up incest is nothing but a diversion tactic.
ABC123_IHB
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[quote author="WINEX" date=1225948966]
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/accidents/kennerly.html">it might be rare, but it does happen</a>
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/accidents/kennerly.html">it might be rare, but it does happen</a>
[quote author="ABC123" date=1225949290][quote author="WINEX" date=1225948966]
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/accidents/kennerly.html">it might be rare, but it does happen</a></blockquote>
So then you agree that parents should consent to any medical process their children are involved in that could result in a loss of human life...
Getting teeth cleaned rarely results in the loss of human life.</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/accidents/kennerly.html">it might be rare, but it does happen</a></blockquote>
So then you agree that parents should consent to any medical process their children are involved in that could result in a loss of human life...