President Trump

[morekaos]

What did Trump do on Easter? Man you keep digging that hole deeper.


So you didn't read the article either... and I'm not sure what morekaos did but I think this was the first link he posted because I had opened it on my phone and looks like he edited it because it's pointing to a different article now:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/30/politics/easter-trans-day-visibility-trump-biden-johnson/index.html

3/31 was chosen as Transgender Visibility day long before Biden commented on it:

International Transgender Day of Visibility - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Easter does not fall on any given day but just so happen to coincide with Easter... not something Biden was trying to promote over Easter.

Even the CNN article quotes a senator who is a pastor:

Responding to Johnson’s statement on X that holding the Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter is “abhorrent,” Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock of Georgia said Sunday: “Apparently, the speaker finds trans people abhorrent. And I think he ought to think about that.”

Warnock, the senior pastor of Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” that the Republican response marks “just one more instance of folks who do not know how to lead us trying to divide us.”

“This is the opposite of the Christian faith,” Warnock continued. “In a moment like this, we need voices, particularly voices of faith, who would use our faith not as a weapon to beat other people down but as a bridge to bring all of us together.”

Do you actually know what a devout Christian is?

Christian = Christ like, and Jesus accepted everyone, regardless of gender ideology.

Christianity is not about attacking other people or petty name calling... Christianity is about uniting and loving people despite their differences.

Again, glass houses and stones…

GA Senator Warnock accused of ethics violation regarding his 'luxury home'

The Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust, an ethics organization, is accusing Georgia Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock of accepting housing from his church and not including it on financial disclosures.

justthenews.com

 

[sgip]

I'll spin it...

Leviticus 19:18, also reiterated as part of the greatest commandments in the New Testament

"Love your neighbor as yourself" applies here. Tolerating a persons mental illness derived body mutilation is not love, but the sin of omission - failing to encourage the person to get mental health treatment instead of accepting their decision to self harm.

Yes, Christ was civil to most sinners, out of love, but as John 8, v 11 says "...neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more".

There are volumes of genuine medical studies showing those who take the route of surgery and chemicals to try and eliminate their mental illness have such a higher rate of suicide it's practically criminal to not speak up.

I speak from the experience of knowing one F to M trans person, and what science is available today that speaks loudly against the practice.

Could the dialogue about this be less militant? Of course. That said, some people consider any mention of fact based objective truth as heresy, and anyone who speaks it are to be burned as witches once were. How the tables have turned.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I'll respin it... who are we to judge that it is mental illness? What you term as body mutilation can also be seen as reparation or restoration.

I'd be careful classifying something as an illness... we do all live in glass houses (which morekaos likes to preach but not adhere to).

Let's turn this to something morekaos has more experience in.

What is this chicken contest with the economy our prez is playing?

I keep reading so many different stories on why he is backing down, why he didn't fire Jerome Powell, how large retailers are influencing his decision, how the stock and US bond market is playing into it.

While I know people like morekaos are cashing in, what about the everyman? Is it fair to play with our investments and 401ks like this? What about businesses who have to close because of all this tariffing?

And what happened to ending the Russian/Ukraine war?

So much braggadocio.

 

[sgip]

How do we know it's a mental disorder?

1) No amount of chemicals or surgery will ever be able to turn a human male into a human female, or a human female into a human male.

2) Gender dysphoria was a recognized mental disorder, until only recently reclassified by the WHO

3) The "cures" fail on every level - they only postpone the inevitable - a recognition how terrible their original decision was. High suicide rates post "affirming surgery" is extraordinarily well documented

4) Pockets of gender dysphoria, not widespread outbreaks. Example? Charlieze Theron has two adopted children. Both are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The odds of that happening cannot be calculated. Her surrounding circle of friends also have gender dysphoric children. Another pocket of gender dysphoric children is in NYC. It's as if having one is a status symbol. This is clear evidence of mass hysteria, a mental issue, not a physical defect.

I could go on.....

 

[irvinehomeowner]

None of those prove it's a mental disorder.

I could name similar reasons why any political alliance is a mental disorder. Or even religious or agnostic zealots.

Have you told your trans friend they are mentally ill?

 

[morekaos]

if your friend feels the need to cut off their arm in order to feel complete, would you encourage them to be their best self and hack it off? That’s an actual disorder, this isn’t dissimilar…

Understanding the rare condition that makes people want to amputate their own limbs​

Those with BID appear by objective standards to have healthy bodies, but they cannot shake an insatiable feeling of incompleteness: In order to be their full selves, they must remove or amputate a limb or other body part.

The condition is believed to be driven by a mismatch between someone’s mental picture of their body image and their actual physical self.

One way to explain it physiologically is that in BID, the part of the brain associated with body image has less functional connectivity with other parts of the brain, according to a studypublished Thursday in the journal Current Biology.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/health/body-integrity-dysphoria-wellness/index.html

 

[sgip]

None of those prove it's a mental disorder.

I could name similar reasons why any political alliance is a mental disorder. Or even religious or agnostic zealots.

Have you told your trans friend they are mentally ill?

If I was asked to affirm their pronouns, I would not. If I was asked to affirm them as a male or female, when they are not, no, I would not affirm this.

Would I go out of my way and tell them they are mentally ill, no, as it's not a loving thing to do. After extensive conversation about why they believe their gender is what they perceive ( not what it is) yes, I would say it's a mental illness that is treated in ways other than surgery. That is the undeniable truth of the matter

The person with dysphoria could also be a true hermaphrodite and saying they are mentally ill without knowing their circumstances is bad for.

 

[morekaos]

Here is another “pocket”…the odds are better of being attacked by a shark or winning the lottery…environment is the only plausible explanation…I feel for these children…

Marcia Gay Harden says her kids, who 'are all queer,' ...

,'“What drives me is because it’s right and what’s happening right now is wrong,” Harden, 63, told the telethon’s co-host Adam Shankman. “What drives me is — my children are all queer. My eldest child is nonbinary. My son is gay. My youngest is fluid. And you know, they are my kids and they teach me every day.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...ds-are-queer-inspire-lgbtq-advocacy-rcna83600

 

[morekaos]

No big surprise here but again...what are the odds?....Just like buying kids (adopting) because they narcissistically don’t want to ravage their bodies or go through the hassle and pain…a non binary is so chic…everybody’s got one

Robert De Niro's daughter Airyn does first ever interview about coming out as a trans woman

Robert De Niro's trans daughter Airyn De Niro has done an extensive interview about her coming out journey to a prominent gay, lesbian and trans magazine.

Airyn De Niro, 29, discussed her coming out journey and how she hopes to serve as a role model for queer women of color creating their own definition of beauty.

She sat down with Them contributor Ava Pauline Emilione at a cafe in Williamsburg, New York, to talk about everything from her favorite video game, to her new pink locks, to growing up as the daughter of one of the world's most famous actors.

Robert De Niro's daughter Airyn talks being trans

Today, Them released an exclusive interview with Airyn De Niro, daughter of award-winning actor Robert De Niro. She talked her coming out journey.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Imnotmoving]

If I was asked to affirm their pronouns, I would not. If I was asked to affirm them as a male or female, when they are not, no, I would not affirm this.

Would I go out of my way and tell them they are mentally ill, no, as it's not a loving thing to do. After extensive conversation about why they believe their gender is what they perceive ( not what it is) yes, I would say it's a mental illness that is treated in ways other than surgery. That is the undeniable truth of the matter

The person with dysphoria could also be a true hermaphrodite and saying they are mentally ill without knowing their circumstances is bad for.

So you think it’s a mental illness? So if someone disagrees with how you live they can just decide you are mentally ill? Ok. Got it.

 

[Imnotmoving]

No big surprise here but again...what are the odds?....Just like buying kids (adopting) because they narcissistically don’t want to ravage their bodies or go through the hassle and pain…a non binary is so chic…everybody’s got one

Robert De Niro's daughter Airyn does first ever interview about coming out as a trans woman

Robert De Niro's trans daughter Airyn De Niro has done an extensive interview about her coming out journey to a prominent gay, lesbian and trans magazine.

Airyn De Niro, 29, discussed her coming out journey and how she hopes to serve as a role model for queer women of color creating their own definition of beauty.

She sat down with Them contributor Ava Pauline Emilione at a cafe in Williamsburg, New York, to talk about everything from her favorite video game, to her new pink locks, to growing up as the daughter of one of the world's most famous actors.

Robert De Niro's daughter Airyn talks being trans

Today, Them released an exclusive interview with Airyn De Niro, daughter of award-winning actor Robert De Niro. She talked her coming out journey.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Classic example of “ if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything”

 

[morekaos]

Classic example of “ if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything”

Just shoring up the argument…sorry it triggered you…perhaps you should review the snowflake thread

Thread 'Snowflakes'

Jan 17, 2019

I?m gonna start a thread to post all the funny snowflake stories out there on both sides of the aisle.  I?ll put up today?s most ridiculous and comedic story...

Google staff complained word FAMILY instead of children was homophobic

Google had to rethink the word 'family' in March 2017 when staff complained
Employees at California HQ said the term was 'offensive, inappropriate, homophobic, and wrong' when used in a presentation about a children's product
Approximately 100 people seemed to agree with an internal thread from someone who stormed out of the...

• morekaos
• Replies: 951
• Forum: Water Cooler

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[Imnotmoving]

Just shoring up the argument…sorry it triggered you…perhaps you should review the snowflake thread

Thread 'Snowflakes'

Jan 17, 2019

I?m gonna start a thread to post all the funny snowflake stories out there on both sides of the aisle.  I?ll put up today?s most ridiculous and comedic story...

Google staff complained word FAMILY instead of children was homophobic

Google had to rethink the word 'family' in March 2017 when staff complained
Employees at California HQ said the term was 'offensive, inappropriate, homophobic, and wrong' when used in a presentation about a children's product
Approximately 100 people seemed to agree with an internal thread from someone who stormed out of the...

• morekaos
• Replies: 951
• Forum: Water Cooler

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It takes way more than that to trigger me princess. I have a relative who spouts bs like that all the time, like your snowflake comment. Nobody likes him either. He is tolerated for some reason.

 

[sgip]

So you think it’s a mental illness? So if someone disagrees with how you live they can just decide you are mentally ill? Ok. Got it.

Hermaphrodites are natural issues - people who are born that way.

Transsexuals base their gender on how they feel, not their physical make up, which they try to suppress through drugs and surgery. Their starting point - feelings - are emotions which are founded mental issues.

Are there mental issues that are healed by chemicals? Brain focused meds, sometimes. Are there mental issues healed by surgery? The science says "No".

People amy not want to face uncomfortable truth, but that doesn't invalidate truth. It's to me for a collective embrace of truth and get those with gender dysphoria genuine help, not alchemy that has yet to turn lead into gold.

Speaking of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsianism

 

[Imnotmoving]

Hermaphrodites are natural issues - people who are born that way.

Transsexuals base their gender on how they feel, not their physical make up, which they try to suppress through drugs and surgery. Their starting point - feelings - are emotions which are founded mental issues.

Are there mental issues that are healed by chemicals? Brain focused meds, sometimes. Are there mental issues healed by surgery? The science says "No".

People amy not want to face uncomfortable truth, but that doesn't invalidate truth. It's to me for a collective embrace of truth and get those with gender dysphoria genuine help, not alchemy that has yet to turn lead into gold.

Most of the time the help they need and ask for is simply acceptance.

 

[sgip]

Most of the time the help they need and ask for is simply acceptance.

Think of the Parable of the Good Samaritan. A man is gravely injured. Two men pass by and do nothing. The Samaritan gets the injured man genuine help. Does anyone believe acknowledging and accepting injured persons condition is better than giving honest, real help?

To be clear, offering "help" doesn't give you the right to be a dick. It means you have an obligation to tell the truth in love.

 

[Imnotmoving]

Think of the Parable of the Good Samaritan. A man is gravely injured. Two men pass by and do nothing. The Samaritan gets the injured man genuine help. Does anyone believe acknowledging and accepting injured persons condition is better than giving honest, real help?

To be clear, offering "help" doesn't give you the right to be a dick. It means you have an obligation to tell the truth in love.

Or you can just accept them as they are and not make them feel like they need fixing.

 

[morekaos]

It takes way more than that to trigger me princess. I have a relative who spouts bs like that all the time, like your snowflake comment. Nobody likes him either. He is tolerated for some reason.

Sometimes people may not like the truth but have no choice but to tolerate it…I’ll take that.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Sometimes people may not like the truth but have no choice but to tolerate it…I’ll take that.

Like saying this is Biden's stock market and not due to tariffs? Even you can't believe that.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

@sgip

No one participating in this thread will convince the other side about trans/queer/lgbt+ being a mental illness or not. I used to wonder about that but witnessing children grow from birth to adulthood among my friends/relatives without any type of external pressure it does not seem like it to me.

As I said before, the fact that you can so blindly accept it as mental illness when there are just as many articles and studies that cite biological causes that you ignore could be evidence of your own mental illness... Or at least bias.

And I say that out of love.