Issues with Living Near Affordable Housing?

[eyephone]

Definition of McMansion is the height of the home is greater than the front setback. The width of the home is greater than both sideyards combined. That is clearly in Irvine and not in North Dakota.

I disagree.  It has more to with the incongruous features on the facade of the home.  But yes , excessive built up area compare to lot size also a factor. 
http://www.mcmansionhell.com

lot of this mcmansion stuff is also from late 70s / 80s vintage when people had poor taste in design (compared to whats acceptable now) .  You can see a few examples in Laguna Hills / Nellie Gail area .  Doesn't matter that they sit on 1/2 acre lots .

A good example is in Downey of Mc mansions. There are regular single family houses and next to them is a gigantic/ huge house. (my observations when I go to Portos)

 

[fortune11]

Definition of McMansion is the height of the home is greater than the front setback. The width of the home is greater than both sideyards combined. That is clearly in Irvine and not in North Dakota.

I disagree.  It has more to with the incongruous features on the facade of the home.  But yes , excessive built up area compare to lot size also a factor. 
http://www.mcmansionhell.com

lot of this mcmansion stuff is also from late 70s / 80s vintage when people had poor taste in design (compared to whats acceptable now) .  You can see a few examples in Laguna Hills / Nellie Gail area .  Doesn't matter that they sit on 1/2 acre lots .

A good example is in Downey of Mc mansions. There are regular single family houses and next to them is a gigantic/ huge house. (my observations when I go to Portia)

Yes , I think I know what you are referring to.  Also pockets of west LA near pico where you have old ranch homes next to tear downs and massive homes with tiny backyards, no HOA to control appearance or congruity.    Its amusing seeing old beat down minivans (belonging to older homeowners) right next to Porsche Macans parked in front of huge mcmansions, all side by side and snuck close together. 

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

You said it yourself MASSIVE HOUSE with tiny backyard. what is the formulaic and numerical formula. The height of the house> front yard. The width of the house > left sideyard+right sideyard.
This numerical approach is much more scientific.


Although there is a stylistic definition but with the different taste level of people it is very subjective. Chinese and Persians see beauty in the homes defined as McMansion. Why do you think Toll Brothers are so desirable in Irvine and the communities they are in.

Mcmansion indicators are the scale of the homes and (or) stylistic vocabulary of the homes. Either one or both is a qualifier. 

Definition of McMansion is the height of the home is greater than the front setback. The width of the home is greater than both sideyards combined. That is clearly in Irvine and not in North Dakota.

I disagree.  It has more to with the incongruous features on the facade of the home.  But yes , excessive built up area compare to lot size also a factor. 
http://www.mcmansionhell.com

lot of this mcmansion stuff is also from late 70s / 80s vintage when people had poor taste in design (compared to whats acceptable now) .  You can see a few examples in Laguna Hills / Nellie Gail area .  Doesn't matter that they sit on 1/2 acre lots .

A good example is in Downey of Mc mansions. There are regular single family houses and next to them is a gigantic/ huge house. (my observations when I go to Portia)

Yes , I think I know what you are referring to.  Also pockets of west LA near pico where you have old ranch homes next to tear downs and massive homes with tiny backyards, no HOA to control appearance or congruity.    Its amusing seeing old beat down minivans (belonging to older homeowners) right next to Porsche Macans parked in front of huge mcmansions, all side by side and snuck close together. 

 

[fortune11]

Where are you sourcing this numerical approach from ?  Width of home > left + right side yard ?? 

Seems like according to your definition nearly all the post 90s construction in Irvine is McMansions.  Maybe everyone should buy 1/2 acre lots and hire you to build their homes for them, to avoid the dreaded  "McMansion " label  : )

In some sense, McMansions are like porn in movies -- hard to define specifically,  but you know it when you see it.  Besides just the built up area versus lot size , there is a big component of subjective interpretation from randomly placed architectural elements.  Drive through Nellie Gail and you will see many of these miserable design attempts from the 80s. 

 

[WTTCHMN]

Where are you sourcing this numerical approach from ?  Width of home > left + right side yard ?? 

Seems like according to your definition nearly all the post 90s construction in Irvine is McMansions.  Maybe everyone should buy 1/2 acre lots and hire you to build their homes for them, to avoid the dreaded  "McMansion " label  : )

In some sense, McMansions are like porn in movies -- hard to define specifically,  but you know it when you see it.  Besides just the built up area versus lot size , there is a big component of subjective interpretation from randomly placed architectural elements.  Drive through Nellie Gail and you will see many of these miserable design attempts from the 80s.

IHS doesn't need to source.  He is the source.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Over building the site is the exact definition of Mcmasionization. Take Santa Monica for example. Recent decades the city littered with over scaled homes. Some were designed by excellent architects. Many were designed by unskilled architects. Can the city cherry pick the well designed and over scaled homes as the one that should be permitted and choose those that fit the stylistically often preferred by Chinese and Persians as the one in violation of the Mcmansionization ordinance. Of course not. Design taste is subjective. Aesthetic is subjective and governmental jurisdiction could only cite a scientific and numerical formula to enforce the Mcmanization ordinance. pending on different cities the rules vary to fit the historical precedence. If aesthetically is the only mean of citing then the greedy developers in Santa Monica will only hire the best architect to design the biggest homes at the infilled lots.

Where are you sourcing this numerical approach from ?  Width of home > left + right side yard ?? 

Seems like according to your definition nearly all the post 90s construction in Irvine is McMansions.  Maybe everyone should buy 1/2 acre lots and hire you to build their homes for them, to avoid the dreaded  "McMansion " label  : )

In some sense, McMansions are like porn in movies -- hard to define specifically,  but you know it when you see it.  Besides just the built up area versus lot size , there is a big component of subjective interpretation from randomly placed architectural elements.  Drive through Nellie Gail and you will see many of these miserable design attempts from the 80s. 

 

[eyephone]

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

I wrote the design guidelines for Shady Canyon and it was paraphrased for Crystal Cove. I am the source.

Where are you sourcing this numerical approach from ?  Width of home > left + right side yard ?? 

Seems like according to your definition nearly all the post 90s construction in Irvine is McMansions.  Maybe everyone should buy 1/2 acre lots and hire you to build their homes for them, to avoid the dreaded  "McMansion " label  : )

In some sense, McMansions are like porn in movies -- hard to define specifically,  but you know it when you see it.  Besides just the built up area versus lot size , there is a big component of subjective interpretation from randomly placed architectural elements.  Drive through Nellie Gail and you will see many of these miserable design attempts from the 80s.

IHS doesn't need to source.  He is the source.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[eyephone]

In a TCE area?

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Yes I would love to be IHO's neighbor as long the width of the habitable portion of his house is wider than his 5CWG and fits the following formula. Width of IHO habitable portion of house+ 5CWG < the summation of both of his TCE side yards where by the structure height is < the front yard setback. What do you think IHO. Do you like my description of your new home built over the TCE home site. We could walk to all the fabulous sport, retail, hotel, museum and concert venues and see this awkward and feverish looking zombie wearing hazardous space suit walking around in our neighborhood.

In a TCE area?

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[Irvine Dream]

I wrote the design guidelines for Shady Canyon and it was paraphrased for Crystal Cove. I am the source.

and very humble. 

 

[eyephone]

After reading a super long paragraph. I think you said you don't live in a TCE area?

Yes I would love to be IHO's neighbor as long the width of the habitable portion of his house is wider than his 5CWG and fits the following formula. Width of IHO habitable portion of house+ 5CWG < the summation of both of his TCE side yards where by the structure height is < the front yard setback. What do you think IHO. Do you like my description of your new home built over the TCE home site. We could walk to all the fabulous sport, retail, hotel, museum and concert venues and see this awkward and feverish looking zombie wearing hazardous space suit walking around in our neighborhood.

In a TCE area?

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

I practically live in the TCE area considering all the meetings I go to. I don't feel threaten and scared of it. I would live there just like IHO if we find a product to our liking.

After reading a super long paragraph. I think you said you don't live in a TCE area?

Yes I would love to be IHO's neighbor as long the width of the habitable portion of his house is wider than his 5CWG and fits the following formula. Width of IHO habitable portion of house+ 5CWG < the summation of both of his TCE side yards where by the structure height is < the front yard setback. What do you think IHO. Do you like my description of your new home built over the TCE home site. We could walk to all the fabulous sport, retail, hotel, museum and concert venues and see this awkward and feverish looking zombie wearing hazardous space suit walking around in our neighborhood.

In a TCE area?

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

No need to exert my Confucius Taoist humility dealing with TI aggressionists.

I wrote the design guidelines for Shady Canyon and it was paraphrased for Crystal Cove. I am the source.

and very humble. 

 

[eyephone]

But it's not the same.

I practically live in the TCE area considering all the meetings I go to. I don't feel threaten and scared of it. I would live there just like IHO if we find a product to our liking.

After reading a super long paragraph. I think you said you don't live in a TCE area?

Yes I would love to be IHO's neighbor as long the width of the habitable portion of his house is wider than his 5CWG and fits the following formula. Width of IHO habitable portion of house+ 5CWG < the summation of both of his TCE side yards where by the structure height is < the front yard setback. What do you think IHO. Do you like my description of your new home built over the TCE home site. We could walk to all the fabulous sport, retail, hotel, museum and concert venues and see this awkward and feverish looking zombie wearing hazardous space suit walking around in our neighborhood.

In a TCE area?

One of my properties is exactly that. A 4 car garage with an 8 car driveway among Qwerty's relatives.

He never answered my question...

Would you ever live in a TCE area or potential effected area?

What about TCE and Affordable for a 5CWG split with kids garages at one end with a detached casita studio above it to entertain their friends and not tracking their muddy shoe prints into the main house. You are right people who wants certain things bad enough will compromise on certain things. Just like those who want to live in OH or Hidden Canyon have to compromise on a glorified tract McMansion on a tiny lot. I would never live in or design such a thing. At a $2m+ price tag I would take the home in a Malibu on a 1 acre lot than a 5,000 sf lot in Irvine's Wood Canyon Hills. I guess Chinese farmers who turned factory guru have never experienced estates living and 3CWG. Any $2m homes here is better than the Mao flats back home.

This has a total of 5CWG with garage at each end of the home. The 2CW driveway is long enough to park 40 cars. This is definitely not a McMansion.

3CWG+2CWG?!?

I'd live near affordable housing and TCE for that.

That house he mention is the opposite of low income housing.

To clarify:

If they built a 5CWG in Irvine, I would live in it despite being close to low income housing or TCE.