Apples and orangespeppy said:spootieho said:So what? You are comparing Apples to Oranges.
I'm just stating a fact. What is your objection to this comparison?
Apples and orangespeppy said:spootieho said:So what? You are comparing Apples to Oranges.
I'm just stating a fact. What is your objection to this comparison?
spootieho said:Apples and orangespeppy said:spootieho said:So what? You are comparing Apples to Oranges.
I'm just stating a fact. What is your objection to this comparison?
If you aren't able to differentiate, then there's no hope for you.peppy said:terrorism = terrorism
irvinehomeowner said:I'm taking a guess here but I think Tim was young when 9/11 happened and didn't feel the pain of those who lost their family and friends.
To think that the danger of letting in terrorists is not a high enough ratio to consider is weird to me. Even if only a "couple" people die, preventing that to inconvenience the many who are not citizens is equitable.
That kind of nonchalance about the risk of terror is how 9/11 happened.
Ready2Downsize said:If they are illegally here then they should go.
If they were born here (to illegal aliens or legal citizens) then they are citizens, so they should be allowed to stay.
Ready2Downsize said:And tim........ I'm not afraid of anything. I know where I'm going. I know things will get worse. I know the economy is going down big time. I know there is a currency crisis coming. When I don't know, but I know it's coming.
I know there is a plan and I'm going to heaven. I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to Trump, it's out of my hands and it makes no difference what I say or do. It's in God's hands.
morekaos said:C'mon, how do you really "extremely vette" someone from Syria or Somalia? Do you call the DMV at Aleppo and ask for the guys driving records..do you call the Mogadishu Unified School District headquarters to see if they can email you Mohamed's 8th grade transcript? Most of these 7 countries have little or no government or infrastructure to vette from. It's all based on the word of the immigrant. Extreme vetting can be done from Austria but I hesitate to see how it is done from that part of the world.
Part of the reason for the extreme vetting is to encourage these countries to develop good practices in modern record keeping and law enforcement. 80% of the world's Muslims live in Indonesia, Malaysia, and India. Those countries have good recordkeeping and effective law enforcement so there is no need for us to do all of the work in vetting their citizens, we can just ask those countries to run a routine background check on a visa applicant.Perspective said:morekaos said:C'mon, how do you really "extremely vette" someone from Syria or Somalia? Do you call the DMV at Aleppo and ask for the guys driving records..do you call the Mogadishu Unified School District headquarters to see if they can email you Mohamed's 8th grade transcript? Most of these 7 countries have little or no government or infrastructure to vette from. It's all based on the word of the immigrant. Extreme vetting can be done from Austria but I hesitate to see how it is done from that part of the world.
Not my area of expertise, hence the quotes around "extreme vetting."
Perspective said:morekaos said:C'mon, how do you really "extremely vette" someone from Syria or Somalia? Do you call the DMV at Aleppo and ask for the guys driving records..do you call the Mogadishu Unified School District headquarters to see if they can email you Mohamed's 8th grade transcript? Most of these 7 countries have little or no government or infrastructure to vette from. It's all based on the word of the immigrant. Extreme vetting can be done from Austria but I hesitate to see how it is done from that part of the world.
Not my area of expertise, hence the quotes around "extreme vetting."
irvinehomeowner said:So let's get this clear.
Some here feel that domestic terrorism is more of a danger than foreign terrorism?
So, based on that, we shouldn't worry about foreign terrorism and just let them all in?
peppy said:irvinehomeowner said:So let's get this clear.
Some here feel that domestic terrorism is more of a danger than foreign terrorism?
So, based on that, we shouldn't worry about foreign terrorism and just let them all in?
You are jumping to the wrong conclusion. Nobody is suggesting that there is zero danger posed by foreign terrorist. If you are truly concerned about the dangers of having a terrorist attack on domestic soil, than the current immigration ban does not address that.
morekaos said:peppy said:irvinehomeowner said:So let's get this clear.
Some here feel that domestic terrorism is more of a danger than foreign terrorism?
So, based on that, we shouldn't worry about foreign terrorism and just let them all in?
You are jumping to the wrong conclusion. Nobody is suggesting that there is zero danger posed by foreign terrorist. If you are truly concerned about the dangers of having a terrorist attack on domestic soil, than the current immigration ban does not address that.
But it does. It's not ALL, some would always get through, but some would HELP. There have been over 70 domestic terrorist attacks by immigrants from these 7 countries since 911. Let's take it to an extreme to make a point. If NONE of those immigrants were allowed in than NONE of those attacks would have occurred and it stands to reason if SOME of these immigrants were not allowed in then SOME of these attacks would have been avoided...SOME.
irvinehomeowner said:Let's go back to my bus analogy.
You are told there are 2 of the 50 people on the bus are terrorists. You are also told that 2 of the 10,000 already in the venue are terrorists. What is the best play here?