ICE or EV?

[Liar Loan]

I also like LL's many inaccurate ones. Tell us again how Tesla did not do well in the EV space.

Open the can, prepare for the worms.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Ahh... so trying to argue on semantics and context. What I meant was you said that Tesla did not do well (EV space or globally... doesn't matter).

This is what you said:

Tesla has been around for over 20 years and they haven't caught on.

Then when I challenged you on this. Your answers were how their sales are decreasing... that doesn't prove your point at all.

The fact is Tesla had a top selling model (the Y) globally and not just in EVs.

But you never admitted you were wrong. They did catch on, their stock value rise demonstrates that... but again, since you don't seem to know much about EVs, you said something without actually knowing the truth.

You like to throw out stuff without proper context... just like saying Irvine had thousands of foreclosures but not also saying that percentage wise compared to other OC cities, Irvine's rate was actually lower (see... I can also play your game).

Answer this simple question using your framework:

Did Tesla catch on or not?

 

[morekaos]

They did catch on, their stock value rise demonstrates that.

So you finally admit that stock prices are a strong indicator of success…thank you…you know agree with me that overall…. EV’s have failed spectacularly…as indicated by the total collapse of their equity prices (which i predicted)…..we can close this thread now!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I've said that in the past, it's an indicator but not the only indicator.

Yes... you can stop posting in this thread now. Please.

 

[morekaos]

It’s the strongest, unbiased indicator…dollars and cents never lie…losses tell the tale….failure

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I thought this thread was closed to you?

 

[morekaos]

I thought this thread was closed to you?

Apparently I still need to correct you so…not yet.

 

[Liar Loan]

Did Tesla catch on or not?

With 19 larger auto makers and 98% of sales volume in 2025 not being Telsa .... .... I'm going to say no.

I guess you could say Tesla is about half as popular as such heavy hitters as Suzuki and Renault.

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Here’s a 2025 global ranking of automakers by sales volume, expanded to the top 20. The list is based on available global full-year data for vehicle deliveries — including passenger cars, trucks, and commercial vehicles — from industry sales reports and compilations from multiple sources.

Global Automaker Sales Ranking — 2025 (Top 20)​

Rank	Automaker / Group	2025 Sales (Approx.)
1	Toyota Motor Corporation – Japan	~11.32 M vehicles
2	Volkswagen Group – Germany	~8.98 M
3	Hyundai Motor Group – S. Korea	~7.27 M
4	General Motors (GM) – USA	~6.18 M
5	Stellantis – NL / multinational	~5.48 M
6	BYD Auto – China	~4.60 M
7	SAIC Motor – China	~4.51 M
8	Ford Motor Company – USA	~4.40 M
9	Geely Holding Group – China	~4.12 M
10	Honda Motor Co. – Japan	~3.52 M
11	Suzuki Motor Corporation – Japan	~3.30 M
12	Nissan Motor Co. – Japan	~3.20 M
13	Changan Automobile – China	~2.91 M
14	BMW Group – Germany	~2.46 M
15	Renault Group – France	~2.34 M
16	Mercedes-Benz Group – Germany	~2.16 M
17	Great Wall Motor – China	~1.32 M (brand group)
18	SAIC-GM-Wuling (joint venture) – China	~1.64 M
19	Tata Motors – India* (estimated high volume cohort)	— (industry estimate)
20	Tesla Inc. – USA	~1.6–1.8 M (estimated deliveries)

Tesla delivered about 1.64 million vehicles worldwide in 2025.​

• Although exact total global vehicle sales for 2025 aren’t finalized in public sources, industry forecasts and historical figures suggest total global light-vehicle (cars + light trucks) sales were around ~83 million units in 2025.

Estimated Tesla global market share:

1.64 M / 83 M ≈ 2.0%

Tesla’s share of the total global auto market in 2025 is roughly ~2 % of all vehicles sold worldwide.

 

[zovall]