ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 51.1%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
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Doubt it will make them cheaper to operate. As soon as there is profit margin somewhere... they will abuse it.

That's one thing about EVs that is killing old school dealers, no revenue on maintenance.

Regulation has its time and place. Covid has shown less ICE cars on the road does affect pollution but I know those type of topics go nowhere for you.

All I know is my EVs are quieter and my garage is less dirty/smelly... and my starting torque rules.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Doubt it will make them cheaper to operate. As soon as there is profit margin somewhere... they will abuse it.

That's one thing about EVs that is killing old school dealers, no revenue on maintenance.

Regulation has its time and place. Covid has shown less ICE cars on the road does affect pollution but I know those type of topics go nowhere for you.

All I know is my EVs are quieter and my garage is less dirty/smelly... and my starting torque rules.
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There is always profit margin..it doesn’t matter if oil is $20 or $120 they always make the margin…I keep telling you that. Low gas prices mean operating ICE is cheap for all. Cheap energy is always the key…it remains that.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
You misread that. Their lines are ditching ICE in favor of hybrid. And then eventually EV.
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I think the Toyota Highlander will only be EV.

I’m surprised Toyota isn’t trying EREV in their trucks.

Also about FSD (since Toyota is releasing some self driving in TSS4 on their 26 RAV4), there is some concern over who is going to bear the cost of insurance for self driving. In case of major accidents, who is on the hook?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
That's why EVs are cheap and convenient. Especially if you have solar.

It feels good to have some freedom from fossil fuels.
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Unfortunately, they are none of those things….🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈 According to the sigularity…

As of early 2026, the average transaction price for a new electric vehicle (EV) in the U.S. is approximately $55,000–$58,000, with prices continuing to stabilize after falling from previous peaks. While luxury models can exceed $100,000

A home EV charging station (Level 2) typically costs
between $500 and $900 for the hardware, with installation, labor, and potential permitting adding another $300 to $3,000+, depending on electrical system upgrades. Total setup costs often range from $1,000 to over $3,000

In 2026, the average cost of a home solar panel system in the U.S. is approximately $17,800 to $26,400 for a typical installation, before federal tax credits. Costs generally range between $2.74 and $3.30 per watt, with an average 8 kW system costing roughly $21,900 – $26,400.
 
Here’s a clear **side-by-side comparison of how much it costs to “fuel” an electric vehicle (EV) with electricity versus a gasoline-powered car with gas each year: (EVRoadTax.com)

🪫 Electric Vehicle (EV) – Electricity Costs​

📊 Typical Annual Electricity Cost for an EV​

  • At typical U.S. home charging rates (~$0.12–$0.16/kWh):
    • EVs use roughly 3,000–3,500 kWh per year (depending on efficiency and miles driven).
    • That gives about $300–$550 per year to charge at home. (EVRoadTax.com)
  • At higher residential rates (e.g., California ~$0.25–$0.30/kWh):
    • Annual cost can rise to ~$600–$950. (g4car.com)
  • With off-peak charging plans or solar power:
    • Costs can drop to as little as $200–$300 per year, or near zero if solar covers charging. (EVRoadTax.com)
  • Using public fast chargers:
    • More expensive — often $0.30–$0.50+/kWh — which raises cost, but still usually lower than gas overall. (The Power Estimator)
Typical EV annual charging cost (U.S. average): ~💡**$400–$800**. (EnergySage)

⛽ Gas-Powered Vehicle – Fuel Costs​

📊 Typical Annual Gas Cost​

  • Based on an average gas price around $3.00–$3.50 per gallon and a car that gets ~30 MPG:
    • Annual cost = ~400–460 gallons × price per gallon
    • Which usually lands around $1,200–$1,800 per year. (EVRoadTax.com)
  • If gas prices are higher (e.g., $4.00+ per gallon), annual costs can exceed $2,000 easily. (EnergySage)

📉 Annual Savings Estimate​

Compare energy/fuel costs for the same miles driven:
CategoryTypical Annual Cost
EV (electricity)~$400–$800
Gas car (gasoline)~$1,200–$1,800
➡️ Annual savings from driving an EV vs. gas: ~$800–$1,400+ per year on fuel/charging costs alone in many U.S. regions. (Tech News on the Gadgets You Love)

⚠️ Notes That May Affect Your Cost​

  • Where you live: Electricity and gas prices vary widely by state. Higher electricity costs narrow savings; higher gas costs widen them. (g4car.com)
  • Charging mix: Mostly home charging = cheapest; lots of public fast charging increases costs. (The Power Estimator)
  • Driving habits: More annual miles → larger gross savings in dollars.
  • Time-of-use rates: Charging at night can cut electricity cost significantly. (EVRoadTax.com)

💡 Quick Rule-of-Thumb​

  • EV charging typically costs ~3–5¢ per mile (home charging).
  • Gas cars typically cost ~8–15¢ per mile (depending on MPG and gas price).
    → EVs are usually cheaper to “fuel” per mile driven in most of the U.S. today. (usecalcpro.com)
If you want, I can tailor this to your specific driving habits (miles/year) and the electricity/gas prices in California for a more accurate number!
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Cheaper "fuel" (not even counting if you have solar) and if you can charge overnight... more convenient than going to a gas station.

morekaos loses again.
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Sure for you 1%ers. What if I live in apartment…have a gardening business or construction. I can’t afford your fancy scmanssy solar array or the extra $50,0000 to buy that lightning…what about normal peeps like me?🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈
 
again, missing the point. Normal people don’t care about the technology, they just want something that works and they can afford. EVs don’t deliver for them🤷🏽‍♂️👎🏽🦄🌈
 
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