ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 14 31.8%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 54.5%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.4%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    44
NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
I was given a i5 M60 loaner recently (goes to show how well they sell if they use them as loaners..), it was fun to drive while I had it but for a $90k car it was missing a few things. No keyless entry on back doors, no soft close doors and seats were nothing to write about.

While I missed the performance going back to my ICE car, I don't see the point of upgrading.
 
Sooooo predictable and so avoidable…what a waste of time and our money…hope you rich guys enjoy the toys we financed for you but the party is over now…🤦🏽‍♂️👎🏽😂😂😂🦄🌈

U.S. Electric Vehicle Adoption Plummets

By Tsvetana Paraskova - Jun 07, 2025, 6:00 PM CDT

  • EV interest among U.S. drivers has dropped to 16%, the lowest since 2019.
  • Key deterrents include high upfront costs, limited charging infrastructure, and concerns over long-distance suitability.
  • Hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles are gaining favor as more practical alternatives.
  • Just 16% of American drivers say they are likely to buy an electric vehicle (EV) as their next car—the lowest share recorded in AAA’s annual surveys since 2019.
  • High battery maintenance costs, high purchase prices, and concerns about range continue to be major deterrents for U.S. consumers to consider buying an EV, according to AAA’s latest survey released earlier this month.

U.S. Electric Vehicle Adoption Plummets | OilPrice.com
 
morekaos may be surprised to know that the next highest number of EV registrations by state contrast his political stance.

I was very surprised to learn that too. It's not just climate signaling, even states with cheaper gas like EVs. And yes, it does skew by population but even gas guzzler lovers buy EVs.
 
Buh Bye…👍🏽😂😂😂🇺🇸

Trump, Congress BLOCK California's EV mandate

Trump said that the plan from California would "effectively abolish the internal combustion engine, which most people prefer."

In addition to blocking the EV mandate from California, it blocks the state from mandating that all new trucks sold in the state be electric by 2025. Another measure in the joint resolution halts the California government from putting limits on emissions of nitrogen oxide emitted from cars and trucks.

https://thepostmillennial.com/new-trump-congress-block-californias-ev-mandate

 
Like I have said FOREVER…Toyota’s market driven approach had this figured out from the beginning…😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸

Toyota boss claims EVs are 'dirtier' than hybrids

Toyota Chairman Akio Toyoda believes his company's focus on hybrid powertrains is correct and that carbon emissions are lower than if they had pursued EVs only.

A Single EV Produces as Much Pollution as 3 Hybrids over Its Total Lifecycle

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-boss-akio-toyoda-evs-dirtier-than-hybrids
 
morekaos said:
Buh Bye…👍🏽😂😂😂🇺🇸

Trump, Congress BLOCK California's EV mandate

Trump said that the plan from California would "effectively abolish the internal combustion engine, which most people prefer."

In addition to blocking the EV mandate from California, it blocks the state from mandating that all new trucks sold in the state be electric by 2025. Another measure in the joint resolution halts the California government from putting limits on emissions of nitrogen oxide emitted from cars and trucks.

https://thepostmillennial.com/new-trump-congress-block-californias-ev-mandate

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I actually support this.

No one should be forced to do anything. Ironic though right? Why can't women choose?

#prochoice
 
zovall said:
I actually support this

No one should be forced to do anything. Ironic though right? Why couldn’t people opt-out of the Covid vaccine without losing their jobs?
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Not sure where you work but I just heard it was higher health premiums which makes sense if you're going to be sick or get others sick.

And you're pulling an Irvine Buyer equivalency here... not getting a vaccine may affect many others.
 
Nah, back when it came out it was forced on us (no mention of health premiums) and if you didn't show proof, you were let go.

Oh, there were nuances to your statement. Who is to decide which vaccines should be forced on others?

My general take is my body, my choice. My kids, my choice.
 
morekaos said:
Like I have said FOREVER…Toyota’s market driven approach had this figured out from the beginning…😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸

Toyota boss claims EVs are 'dirtier' than hybrids

Toyota Chairman Akio Toyoda believes his company's focus on hybrid powertrains is correct and that carbon emissions are lower than if they had pursued EVs only.

A Single EV Produces as Much Pollution as 3 Hybrids over Its Total Lifecycle

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-boss-akio-toyoda-evs-dirtier-than-hybrids
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He's just trying to rationalize not going EV more:

 
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