ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 55.8%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.3%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.6%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    43
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Damn, even Costco is hating on Tesla now. Connect, my car insurance through Costco, just increased my insurance from $1183 to $2157. I was shocked when I saw the Renewal Declaration.

Prius Prime:
Bodily injury premium went from $304 to $394
Collision premium went from $218 to $297
Both seem reasonable

Model 3:
Bodily injury premium went from $255 to $755
Collision premium went from $324 to $584

That's just crazy. I guess I'll have to call Mercury to see if I get a better deal, with the home coverage as well.
 
You'd be surprised how many non-1%ers drive EVs.

You still think they cost $100k. :)

That looks like an elitist 1% to me…🤷🏽‍♂️😂

According to an Experian Automotive report on electric vehicles, out of the 292.3 million cars and trucks on the road in the U.S. in 2024, approximately 4,092,200 (1.4%) of those were electric cars. This number is up from 2 million electric vehicles in 2022 and 1.3 million in 2021.

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/how-many-electric-cars-in-us.html#:~:text=According to an Experian Automotive,and 1.3 million in 2021.
 
1%: Only around 1% of all vehicles driven in the United States are electric vehicles, despite significant growth.

  • 903,620: The number of electric vehicles registered in California reached a high of 903,620 by the end of 2022.

www.insuranceopedia.com

How Many Electric Cars Are In The U.S.? 80+ Statistics

Find out how many electric cars are on US roads. Explore trends in EV adoption and how they impact insurance rates.
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People who bought Teslas to virtue signal are paying a steep price in depreciation and heart burn.

In Marin County, There’s Trouble in Teslaville​


Ms. Goldman is the author of “What To Do When You’re Dating a Jew,” which includes everything from matzo ball recipes to the meanings of Yiddish terms. She considers Mr. Musk “a Nazi,” she said, for his support for Germany’s far-right party and for his stiff arm salutes during one of Mr. Trump’s inaugural parties. (Mr. Musk has disputed his arm gesture was a Nazi salute, calling the accusation “dirty tricks.”)

“We could have just as easily gotten a Hyundai,” Ms. Goldman said. “I feel like a jerk.”

Others share the sentiment.

Terry Ross, a retired lawyer, has lived in Mill Valley for 54 years and said he loves that it has retained its character. He bought his red Model 3 in 2022 for about $64,000, but said that he put his car up for sale after he saw Mr. Musk give that salute. Six days later, a used car company hauled it away.

He received $28,000. {LL: So 56% depreciation in 3 years. Ouch!}

“Bottom line,” Mr. Ross said, “I had to get rid of that thing as soon as I could.”

Carter Zinn, a Mill Valley-based lawyer, leased his Tesla two years ago and recently thought about driving it to the dealership and setting it on fire because he found Mr. Musk’s politics so loathsome.


{LL: It's incredible how easily these people are manipulated by the media. Most of them need treatment for mental health problems.}
 
There are plenty of people on the left doing the same "Nazi Salute" gesture. Does so.eone suffering from TDR care? Of course not. The AfD a "far right" political party? The one that's led by a female lesbian married to a non German female... That AfD? Please.

Meanwhile, anyone wanting a slightly used Tesla is in for some pretty sweet bargains. Here's a 2024 Tesla, loaded with aftermarket features, and just 4,300 miles that just sold for $78k - about 50k less than it cost is my guess

 
From the mouths of babes (or Electrek)….Like I told you….Doomed!🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👎🏽

Ford’s EV sales fell by 40% in April and now it’s killing off another major project

Ford ends another EV project as sales slip

Ford sold 208,675 vehicles in the US last month, a 16% increase from the same period last year and a new April record. Electrified vehicle sales, including EVs and hybrids, rose 8.4%. However, it was Ford’s gas-powered trucks and SUVs that drove the growth.

https://electrek.co/2025/05/01/fords-ev-sales-fell-40-april-now-its-killing-off-another-project/
 
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I'd like to see a barebone Ford Maverick Hybrid priced at $20,000.

By barebone, I mean like Slate model with manual window cranks and door locks, no built in infotainment except for cell phone or tablet holder and USB connection at the dashboard. Manually adjusted chairs. Minimalist interior, bring your own floor mats.

The profit margin will come from wide variety of upgrade options that customers can choose and pay for, if they wish.
 
Rivian looking better... R2 will help and Scarange not being Elon doesn't hurt:

electrek.co

Rivian's (RIVN) Q1 2025 report details highest gross profits to date, R2 validations underway

American EV automaker Rivian has shared its full financial report and shareholder letter for Q1 2025. The quarterly update details...
electrek.co electrek.co

The main headline of Rivian’s Q1 2025 was its gross profit of $206 million. That marks the American automaker’s second consecutive quarter of reporting gross profit as well as its highest to date.
 
momopi said:
I'd like to see a barebone Ford Maverick Hybrid priced at $20,000.
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I think Telo may have an interesting product... it's not $20k cheap but may hit a segment that still haven't been filled.

www.telotrucks.com

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Explore TELO Trucks: Compact electric trucks unmatched in EV efficiency. Discover the future of electric pickups today!
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Kind of reminds me of the defunct Canoo so I hope they don't go the same route.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Rivian looking better... R2 will help and Scarange not being Elon doesn't hurt:

electrek.co

Rivian's (RIVN) Q1 2025 report details highest gross profits to date, R2 validations underway

American EV automaker Rivian has shared its full financial report and shareholder letter for Q1 2025. The quarterly update details...
electrek.co electrek.co

The main headline of Rivian’s Q1 2025 was its gross profit of $206 million. That marks the American automaker’s second consecutive quarter of reporting gross profit as well as its highest to date.
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I'm definitely interested in R2, but will have to wait and see what it's priced at.
 
Can't stop the Unicorn Uprising:

electrek.co

1 in 4 cars sold in 2025 will be EVs, and that's just the beginning

EVs now make up over a quarter of global car sales and are on track to hit 40% by 2030, according to the IEA’s new report.
electrek.co electrek.co

More than 1 in 4 cars sold around the world in 2025 are expected to be EVs, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency (IEA). And if EVs stay on track, they could make up over 40% of global car sales by 2030.

The IEA’s Global EV Outlook 2025 report, released today, shows the electric car market is still charging ahead, even with some bumps in the road. Despite economic pressures on the auto sector, EV sales hit a record 17 million in 2024, pushing their global market share past 20% for the first time. That momentum carried into early 2025, with EV sales jumping 35% in Q1 year-over-year. All major markets saw record-breaking Q1 numbers.

We only have one ICE left in our fleet and that may change to EV later this year.

I would drive 2 EVs if I could (fun one and utility/road trip one) but insurance (ICE or EV) is so high nowadays.

If your main commute is short... I really recommend the EV life. :)
 
Yah…no..if our moronic constituents have given up (and California sets the tone) then the rest of the world is…DOOOMED!!!!😂😂😂👎🏽🇺🇸

New Report Shows Electric Car Sales Continued to Fall In California In 2024

Electric car sales all but certain to not meet 2026 mandate goals

While California saw incredible growth of electric cars for the first several years of the 2020s, partially because of Governor Gavin Newsom’s law to ban the sale of gasoline powered cars beginning in 2035, recent months have seen something of a downturn. Electric car sales dipped for the first time in a decade in the final quarter of 2023. According to the California New Car Dealers Association, the sale of electric vehicles did in fact continue surging in the first half of 2023. However, by the third quarter, sales crested. And in the 4th quarter of 2023, the number of new ZEV cars sold for the final three months of the year was only 89,933, a drop of 10.2%.

While experts hoped for a rebound in 2024, all electric sales instead flatlined. In Q2 2024, the growth rate of electric cars fell by 1.2% compared to Q2 2023. Even worse, the 2026 goal of having a 35% market share of electric cars became farther out of reach as the market share stayed the same at 21.4% for the second quarter in a row. It was also far below the 21.8% seen in Q2 2023.

https://californiaglobe.com/article...ales-continued-to-fall-in-california-in-2024/
 
Who cares about mandate goals? You know my stance on that.

The point is, without mandates, EV usage continues to grow but you refuse to see it.
 
Said it 100 times … I am not long or short this stock…I have occasionally played it but never committed… too easy to make money elsewhere quick…like Boeing 😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸
 
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