irvinehomeowner
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You are wrong.
Tesla grew without any consumer credits in the last several years.
Tesla grew without any consumer credits in the last several years.
ICE or EV?
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morekaos
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Tesla only stayed alive by selling clean car credits to the other ice producers. It all was a scam, it’s why I have a gem golf cart. Some quarters it was their only income but they still showed losses. 
Additionally there were times when they were about the only ones using the tax credits. That company only exists because of government largesse. It would’ve collapsed years ago without them. Elon musk is a genius, at using other peoples money. Just look at his solar companies.
Additionally there were times when they were about the only ones using the tax credits. That company only exists because of government largesse. It would’ve collapsed years ago without them. Elon musk is a genius, at using other peoples money. Just look at his solar companies.
irvinehomeowner
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I doubt your version is the reality. You still think Teslas cost $100k.
Lol. So you do realize how barriers of entries work with incentives and subsidies.Tesla only stayed alive by selling clean car credits to the other ice producers. It all was a scam, it’s why I have a gem golf cart. Some quarters it was their only income but they still showed losses.
They took advantage of them back then, sure, but the tax incentives ran out couple years ago for tesla and people still bought them without incentives for the past several years. Market demand is there.
Scam because you couldn’t take advantage of them (much like solar), but that’s on you. I love my solar and the energy it produces for my EV. Too bad you didn’t have that foresight
morekaos
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like I said, Elon musk is a genius, at using other peoples money. I don’t short him one bit for that. He used our money to support his businesses. That company would not exist without an enormous amount of taxpayer money, but in the end it’s only going to benefit the rich as a neat toy, and we footed the bill. It isn’t going to save the planet. Weather gonna weather.
MK sure is out of touch… a neat toy? That’s the ev golf cart he has. People use teslas as real daily commuting vehicle.
We already showed it’s possible, couple weeks/months ago to buy the model 3 under $40k in inventory (before any current tax incentives).
It’s not like they are so outrageously high compared to avg new vehicles
Average New Car Price Actually Drops, but It's Still over $48,000
The cost of a new vehicle has only gone down a little over 1 percent, but after months on end of relentless price increases, we'll take it.
www.caranddriver.com
To be fair, yes, Tesla initially came out with very high priced vehicles and relied on incentives and subsidies, but isn’t that the point to get them to mass produce what they have now. The 3 and the Y wouldn’t be possible. I’m all for innovation even if they get a little push, assistance. (Just like the fossil fuels did in the beginning). But being more of an optimist, I’d rather see a Star Trek future instead of MK’s mad max one where people scrounge for oil and Gulag.
morekaos
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Nice…for ICE…
The average price of the top ten electric vehicles in the US is about $61,442,
with an average of $54,915 for the low end trim of each model and $67,969 for the high end trim of each model.
www.findmyelectric.com
Average New Car Price Actually Drops, but It's Still over $48,000
but back on earth (not the Starship Enterprise) ….The average price of the top ten electric vehicles in the US is about $61,442,
with an average of $54,915 for the low end trim of each model and $67,969 for the high end trim of each model.
Rank | Make & Model | Price Range | US Units Sold |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tesla Model Y | $47,240 – $54,240 | 251,974 |
| 2 | Tesla Model 3 | $40,240 – $53,240 | 211,618 |
| 3 | Ford Mustang Mach-E | $42,995 – $59,995 | 39,458 |
| 4 | Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV | $27,495 – $33,790 | 38,120 |
| 5 | Tesla Model S | $87,490 – $107,490 | 32,675 |
| 6 | Tesla Model X | $97,490 – $107,490 | 26,121 |
| 7 | Hyundai IONIQ 5 | $45,500 – $52,600 | 22,982 |
| 8 | VW ID.4 | $38,995 – $55,245 | 20,511 |
| 9 | Kia EV6 | $48,700 – $61,600 | 20,498 |
| 10 | Rivian R1T | $73,000 – $94,000 |
Electric Car Prices: The Average Electric Car Cost in 2024
How much does an electric car cost in 2024? See average electric car prices, costs & more right now!
www.findmyelectric.com
Nice…for ICE…
Average New Car Price Actually Drops, but It's Still over $48,000
but back on earth (not the Starship Enterprise) ….
The average price of the top ten electric vehicles in the US is about $61,442,
with an average of $54,915 for the low end trim of each model and $67,969 for the high end trim of each model.
Rank
Make & Model
Price Range
US Units Sold
1 Tesla Model Y $47,240 – $54,240 251,974 2 Tesla Model 3 $40,240 – $53,240 211,618 3 Ford Mustang Mach-E $42,995 – $59,995 39,458 4 Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV $27,495 – $33,790 38,120 5 Tesla Model S $87,490 – $107,490 32,675 6 Tesla Model X $97,490 – $107,490 26,121 7 Hyundai IONIQ 5 $45,500 – $52,600 22,982 8 VW ID.4 $38,995 – $55,245 20,511 9 Kia EV6 $48,700 – $61,600 20,498 10 Rivian R1T $73,000 – $94,000
Electric Car Prices: The Average Electric Car Cost in 2024
How much does an electric car cost in 2024? See average electric car prices, costs & more right now!
Thanks for proving my point, look at those numbers, Y and 3, the top 2 accounts for what looks like 70% of the units sold, and that price ranges are $47k-54k for the Y, $40k-53k for the 3, and before tax incentives, so it's actually lower than avg price of a new car of $48k
Rather be in the starship enterprise than being stuck in the past
Except you didn't account for tax incentives, federal and state. Win win for consumers
Credits for New Clean Vehicles Purchased in 2023 or After | Internal Revenue Service
You may qualify for a clean vehicle tax credit up to $7,500 if you buy a new, qualified plug-in electric vehicle or fuel cell electric vehicle.
CVRP Home | Clean Vehicle Rebate Project
Manuel the gardener?no one on this board will qualify for those incentives, and anyone who does isn’t gonna buy an electric vehicle, just not practical for Manuel the gardener.
Condolences again to your family… and clients…. Jeez
irvinehomeowner
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Future Lambos will no longer be ICE only.
Unicorn unicorning.
Unicorn unicorning.
irvinehomeowner
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I'll get the IX when it gets down to $600/mo $0 DAS.
irvinehomeowner
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moremidas touch strikes again:
Nio Stock Continues To Race Higher: What's Going On? - NIO (NYSE:NIO)
NIO Inc (NYSE: NIO) shares are trading higher Tuesday after rising nearly 8% on Monday amid strength in Chinese names. The stock is now up more than 20% over the last month.
www.benzinga.com
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NIO Inc shares are trading higher Tuesday after rising nearly 8% on Monday amid strength in Chinese names. The stock is now up more than 20% over the last month. Here's a look at what's been driving the action.
What To Know: At the beginning of the month, Nio provided a delivery update for the second quarter and June.
Nio said it delivered 10,707 vehicles in June, up from 6,155 vehicles in May. Deliveries last month consisted of 4,324 sedans and 6,383 SUVs versus deliveries of 3,759 sedans and 2,396 SUVs in May.
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Hey @morekaos ... what stock are you pooping on next? That's a buy signal.
qwerty
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The iX is not selling well at all. I wouldn’t be surprised to see these in the 700s with same terms above in 5-6 months.I'll get the IX when it gets down to $600/mo $0 DAS.
morekaos
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Dooooomed!!!moremidas touch strikes again:
Nio Stock Continues To Race Higher: What's Going On? - NIO (NYSE:NIO)
NIO Inc (NYSE: NIO) shares are trading higher Tuesday after rising nearly 8% on Monday amid strength in Chinese names. The stock is now up more than 20% over the last month.
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NIO Inc shares are trading higher Tuesday after rising nearly 8% on Monday amid strength in Chinese names. The stock is now up more than 20% over the last month. Here's a look at what's been driving the action.
What To Know: At the beginning of the month, Nio provided a delivery update for the second quarter and June.
Nio said it delivered 10,707 vehicles in June, up from 6,155 vehicles in May. Deliveries last month consisted of 4,324 sedans and 6,383 SUVs versus deliveries of 3,759 sedans and 2,396 SUVs in May.
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Hey @morekaos ... what stock are you pooping on next? That's a buy signal.
Should have shorted it. Would have made 50% in just 12 months!!
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morekaos
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DOOMED!
Lucid’s second quarter deliveries fell short of estimates amid demand concerns
· Lucid delivered 1,404 of its electric Air luxury sedans in the second quarter.
· Analysts polled by FactSet expected Lucid to deliver about 2,000 vehicles.
· The news suggests that demand for the Air remains weaker than the company had hoped.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/lucid-lcid-q2-2023-production-and-deliveries.html
Lucid’s second quarter deliveries fell short of estimates amid demand concerns
· Lucid delivered 1,404 of its electric Air luxury sedans in the second quarter.
· Analysts polled by FactSet expected Lucid to deliver about 2,000 vehicles.
· The news suggests that demand for the Air remains weaker than the company had hoped.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/lucid-lcid-q2-2023-production-and-deliveries.html