Homes with good aesthetic.

[quote author="SoCal78" date=1245132584]What's the problem with that house, Bk?</blockquote>


1) When a car is parked on the driveway one can't open the driver side door unless the car is parked at the middle but then only one car could drive forward into the middle of a 2 car garage.



2) The gone with the wind stairs is like gone with Hell. It is not the Scarlett O'Hara sweeping circular stairs. Look at the 2 story stairs volume is some odd shape that is not round nor square.



3) The bottom level of the stairs is cut at an angle to allow the car to back out without running into it but the second story portion is cantilevered out over resulting in an odd triangular soffit depicted in the outside photo. Inside photo is a pot shelf (very 80s)



4) The concrete stoop created numerous triangular shaped planters that converged into a sharp point that is useless for planting and they are visually awkward. Avoid plans with cut angles they are bad feng shui shaped like a sharp knife.



5) The tree that is growing in the 9" wide planter between the driveway and house would be a huge issue when the tree trunk is retricted into such a narrow space which can cause lift to concrete and foundation. When tree has limited water its root gravitate to plumbing and sewer where there are moisture from temperature condensation.



6) Toilet before and next to the front door is a ticket to F--k Shui.



7) Lame low wall between the Living and Dining room is a huge bandage solution to an unfurnishable Living room.



8) The tacked on element of the front facade in just 2' partially over a 3' wide powder room. The shed roof element is only 2 tile deep and it is forced and fake. The toilet vent could not exit the roof since it is only 2 tile deep so it is seen at the upper right hand corner of the wall.



9) Entrance has a flat and slightly arch top at the same time. Just choose one but not both.



10) What is the purpose of the small wrought iron over a stucco recess at the gable end over the front door? The stucco recess is not even real attic vent. and why protect an impenetrable opening?



11) Building base or wainscot (outside of powder room) is hanging rather than anchoring the building. Weird!! Do you see the gap where the tiny plants are?



12) Nook table and chairs are in the way of everyday circulation.



13) One can't see 1/2 of his rear yard. When converting the tandem space to a room why not add a window at the back to view the rear yard.



14) In Bedroom 4 the deck for another elevation is totally token like 2'-6". Not even Karen Carpenter could stand there and the french door has to open in instead of out. When the french door opens in it hit the side of the bed,



15) There is no place for the bed wall in Bedroom 3. It is totally useless and could not be furnished as a bedroom.



16) The front door sidelight to the left is only 4" wide. Why bother?



17) Toilet and Bath tub waste line is directly over cook top and chef's head.



18) What is the purpose of a porte cochere when it is only 7' deep not enough to park a car completely under it. The partial coverage is odd and especially for an optional library or room that is so narrow sitting on top of it. Its roof is awkward when its depth is so shallow and 2 story tall in proportion.



19) Washer and dryer is on the wrong side of door swing. One must close door to use the appliance.



20) I am tire and this plan sucks. Proportion is bad and fake facade is dishonest without proper depth. Designers tried too hard to make it into something that ended looking contrived. Grassopper 3CWG who likes this plan is still a long way from snatching the pebble from the master's hand.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245137965]17) Toilet and Bath tub waste line is directly over cook top and chef's head.</blockquote>


I guess this gives new meaning to the quote... "Don't sh*t where you eat!"



After reading this, I have come to the conclusion that I just need to buy a lot and have BK design the home. I just hope that the IHB discount is large enough so that I can afford BK.
 
Bk's list made me re-look at the floorplan and he's correct about many things (especially the placement of the nook).



Like geotpf said, it's hard to fit a bk-style garage onto an Irvine lot that's going to pull off the entire bk-approved list. Comparing Brentwood to Mahogany/Mayfield is tough because I think those are bigger lots/plans.



As I've said before, bk, design a floorplan that fits into the limited space of today's Irvine lots that has all the stuff you like. You won't get the sideyards that are half the height of the house but that's the challenge.



What's the normal lot size in Irvine for a typical 2500-3000 sft lot? I want to draw something up and see if it passes the bk-approval board.
 
Actually... I just looked at the Mahogany/Mayfield plans... they also have some issues regarding placement of living spaces.



I think it's really hard to get a good layout when you try to backload the garage and still allow front access on a limited size lot:



Mahogany 1:

<img src="http://northwoodpointeirvine.com/Floorplans/Mahogany/Mahogany_1.gif">

Mahogany 3:

<img src="http://northwoodpointeirvine.com/Floorplans/Mahogany/Mahogany_3.gif">

Mayfield 1:

<img src="http://northwoodpointeirvine.com/Floorplans/Mayfield/Mayfield_1.gif">

Mayfield 3:

<img src="http://northwoodpointeirvine.com/Floorplans/Mayfield/Mayfield_3.gif">



In some of those plans, there is the bk-no-no of Master Bedroom over the kitchen.
 
Ignoring the other flaws in the Brentwood plan, I definitely consider the "pass thru" to get to the rear garage to be cheating. You basically end up with a front carport that you can't actually use (because it blocks vehicle access to the garage). Since you have a front carport, it's not really a rear garage.
 
IHO - with the size you are seeking, would you be interested in the largest model Campanile in Northpark Square or perhaps Olivos in Northpark? I don't remember what the garage space looks like on those houses but I have a feeling they are both Bk-approved. ;-)
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1245191625]IHO - with the size you are seeking, would you be interested in the largest model Campanile in Northpark Square or perhaps Olivos in Northpark? I don't remember what the garage space looks like on those houses but I have a feeling they are both Bk-approved. ;-)</blockquote>
I believe you mean Olivos in Quail Hill... I am familiar with that plan (we almost rented one) but overall it's not to my liking.



http://www.garyfallis.com/img/floorplans/npsfp/campanile_p4.jpg



What I don't like:



1. Garage is too small.

2. Laundry is on the first floor.

3. No separate living room / family room.

4. No separate nook.

5. Feels smaller than 2500 sft.



What I do like is:



1. Front portico, entry foyer and central staircase.

2. Kitchen pantry.

3. Separate master closets.

4. Vanity in master.

5. Loft and study space.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245137965][quote author="SoCal78" date=1245132584]What's the problem with that house, Bk?</blockquote>


...



20) I am tire and this plan sucks. Proportion is bad and fake facade is dishonest without proper depth. Designers tried too hard to make it into something that ended looking contrived. Grassopper 3CWG who likes this plan is still a long way from snatching the pebble from the master's hand.</blockquote>


Whoa there Master Keye Luke. Is BK disavowing his past influence/work here? The footprint and facade of this house is almost identical to the larger <a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/73-New-Dawn-92620/home/4790546">Rosegate Plan 2 "Emerson" house</a> - one that should be BK-approved because it was <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5087/#107262">BK-designed(?) </a>.



Brentwood Plan 1

<img src="http://mlsimages.movoto.com/203/010/S577510_0.jpg" alt="" />



Rosegate Plan 2

<img src="http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/46/bigphoto/396/S573396_1.jpg" alt="" />

<img src="http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/46/bigphoto/396/S573396_9_0.jpg" alt="" />
 
<img src="http://www.garyfallis.com/img/floorplans/npfp/Brentwood_p1.jpg" alt="" />

http://mlsimages.movoto.com/203/010/S577510_0.jpg



<img src="http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/46/bigphoto/396/S573396_1.jpg" alt="" />

<img src="http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/46/bigphoto/396/S573396_9_0.jpg" alt="" />



Brentwood is a good example of stealing idea and trying to replicate it but did a lousy job. It is like the fake LV compared to the real one. From a distant they may look similar but up close the inferiority in the function and bad proportion are what disguising the bad knock off from the original.



Rosegate does not have a toilet or powder room before the front door. The gable shed element is a 6? projection instead of 2? at Brentwood. The nook is set back from the driveway so drivers or passengers can get out of the vehicle. The porte- cochere is 13? deep to allow the depth of a bath and walk in closet to stack a bedroom directly above instead of 7? at Brentwood.



The Rosegate plan has a 4 car tandem garage and a dedicated bedroom down without having to take away any garage space that only leaves a 2 car like Brentwood. This plan also has an option of a bonus room over the 4 car garage or 2 more bedrooms via a back stairs off the family room. Brentwood has a master bedroom over the most dangerous and the structurally weakest point of the house the garage. The driveway at Rosegate is 14? vs Brentwood?s 11? which could make a difference in backing out. The stairs is a part of the living room 2 story volume experience and the hall is all opened up to the living room volume that even has a loft whereas the stairs experience in Brentwood is not only badly executed it is also buried into dark spaces.



I will stop here because I have demonstrated the key points. Thank you for bringing up Rosegate so other members can learn about 2 plans there appear to be similar at a glance but so different in both function and aesthetic.



I think this Rosegate plan could be IHO?s dream home other than not having a double door entry. Rarely do the knock off products are really as good as the original.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245376373]Brentwood is a good example of stealing idea and trying to replicate it but did a lousy job. It is like the fake LV compared to the real one. From a distant they may look similar but up close the inferiority in the function and bad proportion are what disguising the bad knock off from the original.



Rosegate does not have a toilet or powder room before the front door. The gable shed element is a 6? projection instead of 2? at Brentwood. The nook is set back from the driveway so drivers or passengers can get out of the vehicle. The porte- cochere is 13? deep to allow the depth of a bath and walk in closet to stack a bedroom directly above instead of 7? at Brentwood.



The Rosegate plan has a 4 car tandem garage and a dedicated bedroom down without having to take away any garage space that only leaves a 2 car like Brentwood. This plan also has an option of a bonus room over the 4 car garage or 2 more bedrooms via a back stairs off the family room. Brentwood has a master bedroom over the most dangerous and the structurally weakest point of the house the garage. The driveway at Rosegate is 14? vs Brentwood?s 11? which could make a difference in backing out. The stairs is a part of the living room 2 story volume experience and the hall is all opened up to the living room volume that even has a loft whereas the stairs experience in Brentwood is not only badly executed it is also buried into dark spaces.



I will stop here because I have demonstrated the key points. Thank you for bringing up Rosegate so other members can learn about 2 plans there appear to be similar at a glance but so different in both function and aesthetic.



I think this Rosegate plan could be IHO?s dream home other than not having a double door entry. Rarely do the knock off products are really as good as the original.</blockquote>
Yeah... I really like those 1st floor living spaces and the upstairs layout it great.



The RoseGate *is* better than the Brentwood but to be fair... it has 1000sft more to work with (and the master toilet is still above the kitchen). When you reduce it by 25%, the knockoff has to make some cuts somewhere.



Like I said... the challenge is to put a bk-style garage house into a < 3000sft floor plan. I think I can do it but I'm still waiting on the lot measurements from bk.
 
Brentwood lot is smaller than Rosegate. It was a mistake to copy and knock off anothers idea and trying to cramp the many layers of Rosegate elements into the plan. Good sex takes hours and not cramping foreplay and climax into 1.5 minutes.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245396278]Brentwood lot is smaller than Rosegate. It was a mistake to copy and knock off anothers idea and trying to cramp the many layers of Rosegate elements into the plan. Good sex takes hours and not cramping foreplay and climax into 1.5 minutes.</blockquote>


This reminds me... I miss TenMagnet.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1245396398][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245396278]Brentwood lot is smaller than Rosegate. It was a mistake to copy and knock off anothers idea and trying to cramp the many layers of Rosegate elements into the plan. Good sex takes hours and not cramping foreplay and climax into 1.5 minutes.</blockquote>


This reminds me... I miss TenMagnet.</blockquote> You mean TenMinute? Yes I miss him too. Grasshopper has vanished and the Master was hung using the Thailand girl Scout Knots.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245396935][quote author="graphrix" date=1245396398][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245396278]Brentwood lot is smaller than Rosegate. It was a mistake to copy and knock off anothers idea and trying to cramp the many layers of Rosegate elements into the plan. Good sex takes hours and not cramping foreplay and climax into 1.5 minutes.</blockquote>


This reminds me... I miss TenMagnet.</blockquote> You mean TenMinute?</blockquote>
You mean TenSecond.



Bleh... it's not as fun if he's not around to read these. Maybe he got engaged and his fiancee doesn't appreciate his carousing around on the IHB.



So you're saying there's not enough mojo in a 2500-3000 sft space to get a bk-ending?
 
A smaller home should have simpler layerings. Don't do a Porte cochere when there is no room. Don't do the garage at the back when it occupies 50 % of the site. I do not advocate Bk garage solution when the floor plan and yard space are compromised.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245416916]A smaller home should have simpler layerings. Don't do a Porte cochere when there is no room. Don't do the garage at the back when it occupies 50 % of the site. I do not advocate Bk garage solution when the floor plan and yard space are compromised.</blockquote>
Does BK prefer attached or detached garages?
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1245424570][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245416916]A smaller home should have simpler layerings. Don't do a Porte cochere when there is no room. Don't do the garage at the back when it occupies 50 % of the site. I do not advocate Bk garage solution when the floor plan and yard space are compromised.</blockquote>
Does BK prefer attached or detached garages?</blockquote>


1)Estate properties: detached garages out of sight with studio attached to it for maid or butler.



2)Custom properties : site constraint often dictate attachment with garages in subordinate position. Garage at the rear or turned.



3)Semi Custom: Garages at the side of the house but set far back from the front.



4)large lot: (2) wide single garage doors at the side of the house but garage is over 50% frontage. Garage is set back a few feet from the house frontage.



5)medium lot: 2 car wide garage closer to the street than the house. There may be a house window to the front.



6)Small lot : 2 car wide garage closer to street than the house. Only a door and a small bathroom window set back 20' from garage front.



7)Compact lot: 2 car garage at the front without a driveway and just a buried door to the side of it 20' back. Some plans fighting for rooms may need to angle the entry.



8)Detached condo: garage off the motorcourt without driveway and front door off the paseo. There is a patio yard.



9)Large townhomes: garage at the front with a door to the side and a rear yard



10)Compact townhomes: garage at the rear off an alley. no yard.



11)Condos: garage is some where on the building but the attached access is not so direct. Some may not have direct access.



12)Entry level condos: carport or garages without direct access.



13)Apartment: Make sure you carry pepper spray.



I do not really care one way or another as long the garages is well composed with the house elevation and it is not the most dominant feature in the neighborhoods. A good design should also allocate car parking on driveway out of sight shield by the house.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245416916]A smaller home should have simpler layerings. Don't do a Porte cochere when there is no room. Don't do the garage at the back when it occupies 50 % of the site. I do not advocate Bk garage solution when the floor plan and yard space are compromised.</blockquote>
See... so don't blame me for living in a frontal garage house... that's the only thing they have space for in Irvine... at least at my price range.



Although I still think you can fit it into the 2500sft model. Sure, you sacrifice some backyard space but then you make yourself a nice flat non-sloping courtyard for your kids to play around in that is semi-protected from the front street and you could run your 2-on-2 hoops game without impacting your neighbor that much. And more importantly, it looks better! ;-)
 
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