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To be fair, Happiness was addressing the concept of the effectiveness of *tariffs*.
While I find it difficult to compare Mexico to China in this regard, I am also unsure how this demonstrates any "hate" by Happiness.
except they do have to do with chinese tariffs. have you forgotten all the winning?
It?s a combination of his posts. But do you see what he?s doing. It?s like a dual post. Talks about China and then out of no where talk about Mexico. Saying this and that about Mexico. How does he know they haven?t enforced their border?
Regarding tarriffs who?s paying for it? Trump says China
But in actuality it?s the American consumers
Illegal immigration is drivsn by two factors, desperation and ready employment exploitation of that desperation. Orange jumpsuits of C-levels resolves it quickly.
It's not really necessary for foreign agents to instigate. Incidents like this is the result of years of pressure, anxiety, and discontent boiling over. Prior to Tienanmen Square protest in 1989 was decade long high inflation (1979-1989), reaching 10% in 1985 and by 1988-1989, 18%. People in Hong Kong have long been squeezed in the unaffordable real estate market, with rent control lifted in 1988 and stories of landlord increasing rent by 30% in a year. Young adults working their butts off in school and job have poor prospects of ever affording their own home, with end of HK SAR self-rule in 2047 and HK's dependency on Mainland China for everything from utilities to groceries, it's not a very bright future. Quoting from a protester, they have to ask for the sky to get a small window.
My wife's side of family is Cantonese and has relatives in HK. I told her cousins to consider relocating to Singapore or Taiwan. In Singapore Lee Kuan Yew made it very clear that housing was for the people, and they have a fairly successful public housing policy. In Taiwan we have over 1 million empty homes as young people move to cities and old folks die off in small towns. If you're able to work remotely, there are many inexpensive housing avail. The average price of a home in HK is $1.2 million USD. In Taiwan you can get a 3 bed condo near Su-ao in Yilan for 10% of that -- $120,000.
As for Trump, he is an Europhile and pragmatic businessman. Trump is not a white supremacist but will appeal to his white voter base. He is not into guns or hunting (he oppose hunting) but will appeal to Pro-2A supporters. He wants a "win" with China today while his staff who wanted a comprehensive long-term China engagement strategy get sent out the revolving door every x months. Xi and the CCP Leadership on the other hand has to prioritize survival, as they have no exit career options. Monarchs today who have lost political power can still fight to remain relevant, Xi doesn't have that luxury -- everything else is a nice to have, but expendable when necessary. Even within CCP power transitions, people who worked for the previous boss and lived it up get sent to chopping block by new leadership.
Realistically, I don't expect a good ending. Even if Carrie Lam resigns and Beijing backs off, Hong Kong's problems cannot easily be resolved even with local democratically elect government due to influence from the tycoons. As Taiwan's birth rate declines to 1.2 child/women, I think immigration of young folks from Hong Kong to Taiwan is one possible intermediate solution.
They need to play connect the dots, tie the companies to the 3rd party providers that in turn place the ads in countries south of the border and then frankly bust all the US Citizens involved under RICO.
Of course for real shitz and gigglez you make the fall guy one of mid-level ICE bureaucrats who allegedly help keep the employees in their place with well placed round ups of problem employees and the C-levels can take a cushy plea deal for ratting out the corrupt official.
Then the other c-levels can clean up and save face.
Wait a minute, wasn't I just bagging on China?
Sorry, I guess because I don't have any preconceptions with the poster, so I don't really see that. We were talking about methods to deal with issues with China, one of which is unfair trade (which also allows them to exploit their workers). Happiness contends that because threats of tariffs on Mexico has made them deal with immigration issues, that tariffs will help with the China issues.
I agree with you on how does Happiness know that it did help with the immigration issues (from what I've read, there were already policies negotiated prior to the threat of tariffs). Trump saying "it worked" doesn't count for me either.
But I don't see how that is "hate" on "Latinos", and I would hope we would all be more careful here with accusations of racism. As I said before, let's just try to discuss the topic/opinions, rather than make assumptions about the poster.
Again, I agree. However, the theory is that American consumers will not want to continue paying more for China-originated goods due to the higher cost and by purchasing more either domestically or from other countries, that will put pressure on China to change their ways.
I'm just not sure if that's enough... even at 100% tariffs, from what I understand, it could still be cheaper and higher quality than other avenues.
For example, you make a gadget in China, it cost $1 and is very high quality and you can charge $15 for it. The same gadget, if made in California would cost $5 and may not be as good. If the cost for the gadget in China doubled or tripled and went to $2 or even $3... wouldn't you still buy it from China?
And American consumers seem to be willing to accept more expensive stuff anyways... iPhones cost more than $1000 and no one is blinking.
I really think change has to come from within China... and thanks to the Internet and global connectivity, hopefully that will happen... just not sure if it will in our lifetime.
I disagree. The reason why they came to the US. Is to get a percentage of the fast food sector. In effect they came here for other people to buy their food. Which means to market to other people than from the Philippines. Trust me they are not big time in the US like you say they are. (Thanks to you this will be the new topic for me to talk about!)
irvinehomeowner
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eyephone said:Kings said:eyephone said:Happiness said:
Wow. Another Latino hater.
I guess Qwerty knows who?s his friends are on TI. (or shall I say Amigos)
how is he a "latino hater"?
Mexico has nothing to do with the Chinese tarriffs. (It?s the classic tactic bringing Mexico in the conversation which is a stretch)
To be fair, Happiness was addressing the concept of the effectiveness of *tariffs*.
While I find it difficult to compare Mexico to China in this regard, I am also unsure how this demonstrates any "hate" by Happiness.
eyephone said:Kings said:eyephone said:Happiness said:
Wow. Another Latino hater.
I guess Qwerty knows who?s his friends are on TI. (or shall I say Amigos)
how is he a "latino hater"?
Mexico has nothing to do with the Chinese tarriffs. (It?s the classic tactic bringing Mexico in the conversation which is a stretch)
except they do have to do with chinese tariffs. have you forgotten all the winning?
irvinehomeowner said:eyephone said:Kings said:eyephone said:Happiness said:
Wow. Another Latino hater.
I guess Qwerty knows who?s his friends are on TI. (or shall I say Amigos)
how is he a "latino hater"?
Mexico has nothing to do with the Chinese tarriffs. (It?s the classic tactic bringing Mexico in the conversation which is a stretch)
To be fair, Happiness was addressing the concept of the effectiveness of *tariffs*.
While I find it difficult to compare Mexico to China in this regard, I am also unsure how this demonstrates any "hate" by Happiness.
It?s a combination of his posts. But do you see what he?s doing. It?s like a dual post. Talks about China and then out of no where talk about Mexico. Saying this and that about Mexico. How does he know they haven?t enforced their border?
Regarding tarriffs who?s paying for it? Trump says China
But in actuality it?s the American consumers
nosuchreality
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Minor nit, the Yellow Vest Protests in Europe haven't died out. Coverage has but the movement rages on.
China, Europe, illegal immigration shell games in the USA its just corruption and money.
Hong Kong, those kids have a reason to be scared, Chinacgets their way, they won't even have the facade of freedom.
China, Europe, illegal immigration shell games in the USA its just corruption and money.
Hong Kong, those kids have a reason to be scared, Chinacgets their way, they won't even have the facade of freedom.
nosuchreality
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eyephone said:
Illegal immigration is drivsn by two factors, desperation and ready employment exploitation of that desperation. Orange jumpsuits of C-levels resolves it quickly.
momopi
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Kings said:
It's not really necessary for foreign agents to instigate. Incidents like this is the result of years of pressure, anxiety, and discontent boiling over. Prior to Tienanmen Square protest in 1989 was decade long high inflation (1979-1989), reaching 10% in 1985 and by 1988-1989, 18%. People in Hong Kong have long been squeezed in the unaffordable real estate market, with rent control lifted in 1988 and stories of landlord increasing rent by 30% in a year. Young adults working their butts off in school and job have poor prospects of ever affording their own home, with end of HK SAR self-rule in 2047 and HK's dependency on Mainland China for everything from utilities to groceries, it's not a very bright future. Quoting from a protester, they have to ask for the sky to get a small window.
My wife's side of family is Cantonese and has relatives in HK. I told her cousins to consider relocating to Singapore or Taiwan. In Singapore Lee Kuan Yew made it very clear that housing was for the people, and they have a fairly successful public housing policy. In Taiwan we have over 1 million empty homes as young people move to cities and old folks die off in small towns. If you're able to work remotely, there are many inexpensive housing avail. The average price of a home in HK is $1.2 million USD. In Taiwan you can get a 3 bed condo near Su-ao in Yilan for 10% of that -- $120,000.
As for Trump, he is an Europhile and pragmatic businessman. Trump is not a white supremacist but will appeal to his white voter base. He is not into guns or hunting (he oppose hunting) but will appeal to Pro-2A supporters. He wants a "win" with China today while his staff who wanted a comprehensive long-term China engagement strategy get sent out the revolving door every x months. Xi and the CCP Leadership on the other hand has to prioritize survival, as they have no exit career options. Monarchs today who have lost political power can still fight to remain relevant, Xi doesn't have that luxury -- everything else is a nice to have, but expendable when necessary. Even within CCP power transitions, people who worked for the previous boss and lived it up get sent to chopping block by new leadership.
momopi
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Kings said:
Realistically, I don't expect a good ending. Even if Carrie Lam resigns and Beijing backs off, Hong Kong's problems cannot easily be resolved even with local democratically elect government due to influence from the tycoons. As Taiwan's birth rate declines to 1.2 child/women, I think immigration of young folks from Hong Kong to Taiwan is one possible intermediate solution.
nosuchreality
Well-known member
eyephone said:
They need to play connect the dots, tie the companies to the 3rd party providers that in turn place the ads in countries south of the border and then frankly bust all the US Citizens involved under RICO.
Of course for real shitz and gigglez you make the fall guy one of mid-level ICE bureaucrats who allegedly help keep the employees in their place with well placed round ups of problem employees and the C-levels can take a cushy plea deal for ratting out the corrupt official.
Then the other c-levels can clean up and save face.
Wait a minute, wasn't I just bagging on China?
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
eyephone said:irvinehomeowner said:eyephone said:Kings said:eyephone said:Happiness said:
Wow. Another Latino hater.
I guess Qwerty knows who?s his friends are on TI. (or shall I say Amigos)
how is he a "latino hater"?
Mexico has nothing to do with the Chinese tarriffs. (It?s the classic tactic bringing Mexico in the conversation which is a stretch)
To be fair, Happiness was addressing the concept of the effectiveness of *tariffs*.
While I find it difficult to compare Mexico to China in this regard, I am also unsure how this demonstrates any "hate" by Happiness.
It?s a combination of his posts. But do you see what he?s doing. It?s like a dual post. Talks about China and then out of no where talk about Mexico. Saying this and that about Mexico. How does he know they haven?t enforced their border?
Sorry, I guess because I don't have any preconceptions with the poster, so I don't really see that. We were talking about methods to deal with issues with China, one of which is unfair trade (which also allows them to exploit their workers). Happiness contends that because threats of tariffs on Mexico has made them deal with immigration issues, that tariffs will help with the China issues.
I agree with you on how does Happiness know that it did help with the immigration issues (from what I've read, there were already policies negotiated prior to the threat of tariffs). Trump saying "it worked" doesn't count for me either.
But I don't see how that is "hate" on "Latinos", and I would hope we would all be more careful here with accusations of racism. As I said before, let's just try to discuss the topic/opinions, rather than make assumptions about the poster.
Again, I agree. However, the theory is that American consumers will not want to continue paying more for China-originated goods due to the higher cost and by purchasing more either domestically or from other countries, that will put pressure on China to change their ways.
I'm just not sure if that's enough... even at 100% tariffs, from what I understand, it could still be cheaper and higher quality than other avenues.
For example, you make a gadget in China, it cost $1 and is very high quality and you can charge $15 for it. The same gadget, if made in California would cost $5 and may not be as good. If the cost for the gadget in China doubled or tripled and went to $2 or even $3... wouldn't you still buy it from China?
And American consumers seem to be willing to accept more expensive stuff anyways... iPhones cost more than $1000 and no one is blinking.
I really think change has to come from within China... and thanks to the Internet and global connectivity, hopefully that will happen... just not sure if it will in our lifetime.
morekaos said:
I disagree. The reason why they came to the US. Is to get a percentage of the fast food sector. In effect they came here for other people to buy their food. Which means to market to other people than from the Philippines. Trust me they are not big time in the US like you say they are. (Thanks to you this will be the new topic for me to talk about!)
morekaos
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They have been here for years. I was at the opening of their first store in Daly City...large Filipino population, lines around the block. To this day it outperforms most all other fast food joints there. Carson also has seen significant success. The purchase of Coffee Bean offered an in place franchise that they could build a better US presence on. They still focus mainly on heavy Filipino populated areas but now have a national presence they can make some inroads with. Its a long ball strategy.