Haunted House in Irvine?

While we are on this subject of ghosts. Would you buy a house where murders were committed at a steep discounted price?



The Heaven's Gate cult residence in Rancho Santa Fe for example in an affluent neighborhood was vacant for years.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1251184188]While we are on this subject of ghosts. Would you buy a house where murders were committed at a steep discounted price?



The Heaven's Gate cult residence in Rancho Santa Fe for example in an affluent neighborhood was vacant for years.</blockquote>
Even scientists who don't believe in ghosts, gods, demons or afterlife would probably be hesitant.



I wonder why.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1251184188]While we are on this subject of ghosts. Would you buy a house where murders were committed at a steep discounted price?



The Heaven's Gate cult residence in Rancho Santa Fe for example in an affluent neighborhood was vacant for years.</blockquote>


I wouldn't mind but the re-sale value is going to be a problem. If I won't have to ever move, I'll take that discount anytime.
 
This is not the thread to be reading when you are the lone soul in a large office. I'm going to log off now and go bribe the maintenance staff to come keep me company. :bug:
 
I think the disclosure is not required in a "stigmatized property." Such property, by loose definition, is the site or suspected site of a murder or suicide, criminal activity or even a resident poltergeist. I think there is a statue of limitation for disclosue. If a death occured a long time ago and the home has changed hands many time it is difficult to prove the forgetful seller intentionally held back information normally not officially registered in a set of public sale documents.



About 30 states have specific laws on the books saying that agents and sellers cannot be held liable for not disclosing such nonmaterial, or nonphysical, "defects" about a house.



Agents do have an obligation to disclose any "latent defects" to the buyer if they may materially affect the physical health or safety of individuals on the premises, but rarely would a suicide or murder on the premises meet that standard.



However, some unwitting buyers would vehemently disagree, based on the psychological impact of the event or activity that occurred in the past in their newly purchased home. And a few have even won lawsuits against sellers and agents over the issue. One involved nondisclosure of a triple murder at a house.



The examples of stigmatized properties are numerous. Take Nicole Simpson's 3,400-square-foot home, which she bought for $652,000 shortly before her murder on June 12, 1994. After sitting vacant for more than two years, the four-bedroom, three-bath condominium with a rooftop patio sold at a significantly discounted price.



Then there was the Benedict Canyon bungalow in which Sharon Tate was killed by followers of Charles Manson. It was stigmatized by the horrific crimes and it had to be torn down.



In the minority of states that lack such laws, the National Association of Realtors suggests that agents evaluate whether such information would affect a purchase, and when in doubt, disclose it to avoid any potential claim against the seller or agent or both.



Of course, such a disclosure would probably serve to depress the property's value.



In the end, the burden of discovery usually falls on the buyer, much like it does in those states where the proximity of a registered sexual offender to a for-sale home comes into question. Such due diligence usually means asking pointed questions of your agent and seller (and perhaps even neighbors) about the place and by checking criminal data bases through local law-enforcement agencies and the Internet.



If a nondisclosed murder or suicide has affected your peace of mind, you should seek legal counsel to determine your legal stance. Additionally, the NAR Web site has pages and pages of information and news stories on the subject of stigmatized properties. Go to realtor.org and do a search for "stigmatized properties."



IR2 and Troj care to shed light on this subject. I am trying to help Cactus get his home for 1/2 price now then in 5 years sell the house full price as he did not know about the deaths. Can someone prove that he knew about the deaths if it is not recorded in public documents.
 
In Irvine few neighbors stick around long enough to become a grandma to tell the new buyers about the history of the house. A home with a violent history after several turnovers could be passed on to the next sucker without any legal binding to disclose the death.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1251186797]IR2 and Troj care to shed light on this subject.</blockquote>


New tagline: will lay sod, but will not move headstones.
 
[quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1251187829][quote author="bkshopr" date=1251186797]IR2 and Troj care to shed light on this subject.</blockquote>


New tagline: will lay sod, but will not move headstones.</blockquote>


What headstone? It is a pet rock. That dog looks familiar.



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[quote author="green_cactus" date=1251190154]What's worse: former meth lab/grow house or murder-suicide history?</blockquote>


The one with the higher price tag is worse.
 
Depends on how the lab was setup and teared down. If some one like me who setup the growing operation or the meth lab, there should be minimium chemical fume and residuals. It is entirely a different matter for the dead-house. Due to the near-zero mass of ghost, it is very difficult to get rid of the spirit. I would be more concerned about that than the Marine Base underground toxic fume.
 
Funny how this thread has turned into a scientific discussion. I'm as logical and reasonable as the next person but sometime there's just things science cant explain YET. Thats why I love watching the "X Files" when it was on TV. Anyways does anybody have good ghost stories to tell that relevant to Irvine or maybe Orange County?
 
[quote author="Irvinian" date=1251207724]Funny how this thread has turned into a scientific discussion. I'm as logical and reasonable as the next person but sometime there's just things science cant explain YET. Thats why I love watching the "X Files" when it was on TV. Anyways does anybody have good ghost stories to tell that relevant to Irvine or maybe Orange County?</blockquote>


The Cloud of Myford



Well since you asked... the ghost of Myford Irvine wanders near the train tracks, some claim to hear bagpipes playing. This is probably because of the unsettled history. You can see his tears streaming on the asphalt, turning the streets to white. Sometimes he even dissipates into the lower atmosphere and causes a dense fog like smog. This smog clouds the judgment of the righteous. While they believe that some action is desirable because the result is justified, they fail to recognize they err. Sometimes you can see him riding his horse along the 405, look harder. His ghost was killed once he was hit by a ghost elephant, which caused him to diversify his zombie nest egg, whereupon he became his father. Now you see, the story goes that little ol Myford was too odd to run the land of Erviene. right? right? That thus James decided to put the land into a special basket, with three letters attached to such basket -- no no, not IHS, it was actually, inc. right? right? no no. The ghost of Myford who was also James was not afraid of Myfords mismanagement! Fool! James was sued by the ghosts living up river, the stream of life! For whereupon James most ingeniously decided that diversity jurisdiction was required to fight these evil upstream ghouls, forming his basket, took it to the District, whereupon elliptical pillar was erected. By ye judge of all ghouls found no genius therein.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251213271]How about we have an IHB camp out at the house one of these rainy nights?</blockquote>


I nominate Cactus as the door guard.
 
[quote author="GraceOMalley" date=1251243354]I am confused. After reading this thread I didnt know if I should be creeped out, or bored.</blockquote>


Bk & Mrs. Bk sit around a campfire in their backyard at midnight. Bk holds a flashlight under his chin, shining upwards, and tries to spook the Mrs. with talk of latent defects, mass, inertia, and integral calculus. Mrs. Bk falls asleep.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1251243335][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251213271]How about we have an IHB camp out at the house one of these rainy nights?</blockquote>


I nominate Cactus as the door guard.</blockquote>


Is that meant as a sacrifice to appease the ghosts !? :p
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1251266596][quote author="bkshopr" date=1251243335][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1251213271]How about we have an IHB camp out at the house one of these rainy nights?</blockquote>


I nominate Cactus as the door guard.</blockquote>


Is that meant as a sacrifice to appease the ghosts !? :p</blockquote>


Let the brave ones guard the door.
 
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