coronavirus

Kenkoko said:
It's not as simple as exchanging one death for another.

Does Sweden really have the best approach? Lock-down opposing media would have you think so. But Swedish official Tegnell, the architect of the country?s strategy just acknowledged its no-lockdown COVID-19 strategy might have been a mistake.

Sweden?s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said there is ?potential for improvement? in the government?s no-lockdown strategy, suggesting a more effective policy might have been somewhere between what Sweden opted for and the strict restrictions other nations imposed.

Tegnell?s comments are an about-face: For months, he?s insisted his nation?s approach was more sustainable.
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/03/sweden-covid-19-no-lockdown/
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That?s just his viewpoint because we get taught our whole life nothing is more precious than life. And it?s taboo to go against that viewpoint. The reality is, we value money more than life.

Once we all agree on that, practical decisions can be made.

Not being through something before is a built in excuse. In the real world people get fired for not navigating a business through a crisis correctly. The government screws it up and there is essentially no consequence.
 
qwerty said:
Kenkoko said:
It's not as simple as exchanging one death for another.

Does Sweden really have the best approach? Lock-down opposing media would have you think so. But Swedish official Tegnell, the architect of the country?s strategy just acknowledged its no-lockdown COVID-19 strategy might have been a mistake.

Sweden?s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said there is ?potential for improvement? in the government?s no-lockdown strategy, suggesting a more effective policy might have been somewhere between what Sweden opted for and the strict restrictions other nations imposed.

Tegnell?s comments are an about-face: For months, he?s insisted his nation?s approach was more sustainable.
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/03/sweden-covid-19-no-lockdown/
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That?s just his viewpoint because we get taught our whole life nothing is more precious than life. And it?s taboo to go against that viewpoint. The reality is, we value money more than life.

Once we all agree on that, practical decisions can be made.

Not being through something before is a built in excuse. In the real world people get fired for not navigating a business through a crisis correctly. The government screws it up and there is essentially no consequence.
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His viewpoint matters because he was the architect of the strategy. I don't disagree with your point about us valuing money more than life. But that going into politics where there's always hypocrisy.

From a public policy standpoint, we should go with whatever the current data/science drives you.

I am 100% with you when it comes to the lack of accountability in government. I was very critical of president Trump when he botched the window to contain/trace early on when case # was low. The current protests against police brutality are also largely due to lack of accountability. Bailouts for corporations instead of regular people. None of us voted for that. Insider trading from our Senators, nobody's going to jail or lose their seat.
 
akkord said:
The Montesorri we go to, only had 30 interested students going back in June after their survey. That's a extremely low # compared to how many classes they had before. The toddler class had 12 and the preschoolers had 24 in each class prior to covid.  They don't have enough to fill even those 2 classes in full, though they did state they are limiting classes to 10 students now with no intermingling and a host of other things they can try and do to help.  But 2-5yr olds aren't going to social distance no matter how hard the teachers try.  I know there are those on the board who want to reopen the economy, but 30 students out of a couple hundred doesnt bode well even if they do open in June.

Rainbow Rising didn't have much interest either, we did their summer camp registration/waitlist and they were eager to sign us up.  Believe they were limiting to 10 kids too. 
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I was surprised by these low numbers when you first posted this - thought parents would be raring for childcare.  Last week I found out my kid's private elementary school didn't have enough interest to field a summer camp program.  And same story at the Montessori.  Less than 25 kids interested for their summer primary program (they had 100 kids pre COVID). 
 
Is that because a lot of professionals are still working from home and pocketing the savings? My kids go back on 7/1
 
qwerty said:
Is that because a lot of professionals are still working from home and pocketing the savings? My kids go back on 7/1
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No, I think it is how cold free March, April and May were for families compared to the normal school year and what that means for going fall and regular school. 

Once the petri dish starts sending colds home, what does the family do?  Self-quarantine? Get each person tested 3 or 4 times a winter?  Ignore your cold symptoms and go out normally?
 
Yea I think it?s comfort level and not $$.
Maybe it shakes out differently at schools outside of Irvine.
Private elementary is thinking hybrid learning in the fall. And the Montessori is thinking small in person class sizes (<10) with a separate distance learning program for families not comfortable with in person. Obviously not firm plans. Will be curious to see what the local public schools do.
 
I?ve heard Orange is proposing roll your own.  Send your kids if you want and really happy to have you keep your kids on distance learning.

Or in other words, we can?t possibly handle the students and teachers union so please keep half your kids home.

TUSD?s parent survey closes tonight.  They?ll hold their decision as long as possible
 
qwerty said:
I did the tusd survey. I was like -open open open
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I voted for hybrid. I?m ok with 3 days a week. It?s been nice not having to do the morning rush with getting ready/packing lunch/drop offs/etc. Plus my kids can use the two ?off? days for other activities - 5 days of school is a complete waste of time.
 
For us, a 4 yr old and 2 yr old, distance learning is a no go.  With both parents working, a 2 or 4 yr old is not going to have the attention span to be on a zoom meeting with us let alone by themselves.  My 4 yr old can barely go 30 min without dropping his pencil multiple times and getting distracted as it is.  They will be 3 and 5 by end of Sept, but I have 0 confidence in distance learning at this age.  I also have 0 confidence in social distancing if they went back to Montesorri or TK public school or Rising Rainbow.

My wife wants to send the 4 yr old to Rising Rainbow camp, I'm opposed for now, rather wait a couple weeks to see what happens in camp after 2 weeks.  We paid for the first week, but I'm ok losing the couple hundred.  I told my wife let's see what the schools decide for fall - I think it'll be a hybrid based on a close friends wife who works in IUSD.  If that's the case I would send them back to Montesorri vs a hybrid. 
 
it's okay guys, if you're protesting coronavirus doesn't matter  :)

Officials who pushed strict lockdowns now argue protesters are an exception

You must stay home to save lives. You must socially distance and lock down.

Unless you're protesting racism and police brutality.

This appears to be the message from some government and health officials, who for months enforced a rigorous and unprecedented economic shutdown in the name of stemming the spread of the coronavirus pandemic -- resulting in millions losing their jobs and students being sent home from schools across the country.

But as states just now begin to emerge from those lockdowns, some have argued in favor of an exception to those guidelines for those protesting the death of George Floyd -- suggesting the gains from seeking police reforms outweigh the risks of a new surge in virus cases.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, whose state had some of the harshest lockdown measures in the country, was pictured shoulder-to-shoulder protesting with other officials and demonstrators. Her office told the Detroit News that Whitmer wore a mask and denied she violated her executive order.

Meanwhile, the Atlantic reported on a letter signed by 100 people in the public-health community, first drafted by infectious-disease experts at the University of Washington, which reaches the conclusion that the protests are OK.

?To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy. However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States,? the letter says.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/officials-lockdowns-protesters-exception
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So if protest are not considered risky why the hell did we shut down? Further validation that the initial lockdown was a huge, costly mistake.

IHO/NSR - now that things are open, with the virus still out there,  and people dining out/going to casinos, etc, Do you guys still think the economic damage would have been the same without a lockdown? I?m asssuming all of those people protesting clearly don?t fear the virus and probably never did (probably because they have a 99.75% chance of survival), they probably would have still kept going to work and spending some money.

Just curious as we get more information if your view is evolving.

It seems like the economic fallout was about the response itself, not so much the virus.
 
Kings said:
it's okay guys, if you're protesting coronavirus doesn't matter  :)
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Yep. Our fearless governor was in the first line fighting OC beachgoers and the protests against his pointless rules. I don't recall him condemn any riots for not following the social distance? Did he say a word about that?  Nope. Instead, he opens up California on Monday. I assume the COVID was completely defeated?
 
Happiness said:
Someone please explain the science of why singing in church is not allowed but screaming at a protest is allowed.
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I?ll take this one. This one is easy. There was a documented case (not sure how) about someone in a choir infecting 60 people. The documentation made it science and data. Because there has not been a case of transmission documented at a protest while everyone is shoulder to shoulder yelling at the top of their lungs, there is no science and data.

You can not use common sense to apply covid policy, only science and data :)

It is unclear at this point if transmission is possible in close quarters while yelling loudly wearing cloth masks :)
 
adventurous said:
Kings said:
it's okay guys, if you're protesting coronavirus doesn't matter  :)
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Yep. Our fearless governor was in the first line fighting OC beachgoers and the protests against his pointless rules. I don't recall him condemn any riots for not following the social distance? Did he say a word about that?  Nope. Instead, he opens up California on Monday. I assume the COVID was completely defeated?
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Yeah, fearless leader was so brave standing up to those who questioned his "science" but as soon as someone says "racism" his knees immediately buckled and he crumbled to the floor. In fairness to N, the accusation of racism is kryptonite to many liberals, not just him.
 
Happiness said:
Someone please explain the science of why singing in church is not allowed but screaming at a protest is allowed.
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BLM slogans efficiently destroy peace, order and ... COVID. Even Roberts know it, that's why he joined the liberal chorus on the SCOTUS dubious decision.
 
The protesters are endangering the re-opening.
Just like the church choir singers.

covid cases are going up in CA.  But in NY it's still going down.
Is that because NY has more mask wearers?
 
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