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zovall said:
If you don't really know, why are you selecting these quotes? I've found that many quotes are used (by one side or another) to inflame and many times, they are short quotes that are purposefully cut so that the context is missing. Stephen King learned this lesson recently:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1966474125616013664
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I explained why right after the quote.

It's similar to what you are saying.

And it's ironic you are criticizing my post but allowing others to post whatever they want because it aligns with your position. Which again, just proves my point. Bias is in the beholder.

SGIP sort of understands the point I was getting at.

No one here gave 2 cents about Charlie Kirk, and now it's a tragedy and we are finding out that morekaos and his kids idolized him (jokes).

I don't think Floyd is a model citizen either but there is a difference in what happened to him vs what happened to Kirk.

I'll wait to see how that one blows your keyboards up.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
And don't mistake what I'm posting for sympathy for the killer... it's more of a commentary on how you all are labeling transgenders, liberals etc.
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The killer's motive was almost certainly sympathy for the transgender identity. It's kind of hard to talk about this shocking killing without mentioning that.

The reason liberals are being brought up is because of the number high profile assassinations / assassination attempts / and school shootings by people with liberal motives in the past two years. The guy that targeted lawmakers in Minnesota is the one exception that keeps being brought up, but I don't hear about any other right wing killers. Maybe you should ask ChatGPT for a list of some right wing killers to balance out the commentary.
 
well, turns out our biases are correct in this case🤷🏽‍♂️👍🏽😡 and where is the violent rights righteous revenge? Why haven’t there been any reciprocal assassinations? The right just has prayer vigils the left riots and burns.
 
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Liar Loan said:
The killer's motive was almost certainly sympathy for the transgender identity. It's kind of hard to talk about this shocking killing without mentioning that.

The reason liberals are being brought up is because of the number high profile assassinations / assassination attempts / and school shootings by people with liberal motives in the past two years. The guy that targeted lawmakers in Minnesota is the one exception that keeps being brought up, but I don't hear about any other right wing killers. Maybe you should ask ChatGPT for a list of some right wing killers to balance out the commentary.
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In the last 2 years, what confirmed political ideology has been responsible for the mass shootings and assassinations?

Short answer: Far-right (white-supremacist and anti-government) extremists have accounted for the majority of confirmed ideologically-motivated extremist murders in the U.S. over the past two years — but most mass shootings overall are not political (many are driven by personal grievances, mental-health crises, domestic disputes, or criminal activity).

Key points and sources (brief):
  • Government threat assessments and academic tracking show that — among ideologically motivated domestic violent extremism — far-right groups (white-supremacist and anti-government variants) remain the largest source of lethal attacks in recent years. (See DHS Homeland Threat Assessment; FBI/DHS domestic terrorism materials.)
  • The Anti-Defamation League’s annual tracking found that extremist-related murders in 2024 were overwhelmingly tied to far-right extremism (their 2024 summary reported the extremist-related killings that year were linked to far-right motives). That dataset is commonly used as a barometer for ideologically motivated killings.
  • Reporting on recent incidents confirms the pattern: some high-profile shooters have posted neo-Nazi or white-supremacist material or expressed anti-government views (for example, recent school-shooting suspects with neo-Nazi ties).
  • Not every mass shooting is ideologically motivated. Large numbers of mass shootings are non-ideological — e.g., family/domestic violence, criminal disputes, or individuals with personal grievances — so counting all mass shootings and attributing them to one “political ideology” would be incorrect. (Researchers and the DOJ/NIJ distinguish ideologically-motivated “domestic terrorism” from other forms of mass violence.)
  • Some recent assassinations and politically salient killings (for example the September 2025 killing of Charlie Kirk) are still under investigation for motive; reporting so far shows a mix of backgrounds and motives — which is why careful, case-by-case confirmation matters before assigning an ideological label.
I know Irvine Buye's list disagrees with this but my prompt had no bias in it (Like "Is all the recent violence right wing?")
 
irvinehomeowner said:
But you said they just have prayer vigils? And... your bias forgets to mention the violence that has happened at some of these vigils.

Proving my point once again.
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so they did shoot someone at that rally? Missed that…what violence did they carry out there?…none huh?..that’s what I thought (knew)🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸
 
First... you still haven't addressed "just prayer vigils', second... use ChatGPT to find your violence (hint... violence isn't just about guns... you really are LL's bestie).
 
Prayer vigils or rally’s …they are both peaceful until they start burning things down and beating up bystanders…those that mourn Charlie haven’t done any of that yet those that worshiped and martyred George Floyd sure liked to set things on fire and pummel the public. That was well documented and expensive…If the right is so openly and overwhelmingly violent why does it take a chat gtp search to find that violence?
 
I asked **you** to use ChatGPT because your stream must be biased no matter what you say about reading/viewing all of it. If you really see all of it, finding those incidents is really easy.

This is what I mean... proving my point once again. I was waiting for you to post the "White Men Fight Back" incident since it's been locally broadcast due to it being HB but not a drop.

I shall call you morebias.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
In the last 2 years, what confirmed political ideology has been responsible for the mass shootings and assassinations?

Short answer: Far-right (white-supremacist and anti-government) extremists have accounted for the majority of confirmed ideologically-motivated extremist murders in the U.S. over the past two years — but most mass shootings overall are not political (many are driven by personal grievances, mental-health crises, domestic disputes, or criminal activity).

Key points and sources (brief):
  • Government threat assessments and academic tracking show that — among ideologically motivated domestic violent extremism — far-right groups (white-supremacist and anti-government variants) remain the largest source of lethal attacks in recent years. (See DHS Homeland Threat Assessment; FBI/DHS domestic terrorism materials.)
  • The Anti-Defamation League’s annual tracking found that extremist-related murders in 2024 were overwhelmingly tied to far-right extremism (their 2024 summary reported the extremist-related killings that year were linked to far-right motives). That dataset is commonly used as a barometer for ideologically motivated killings.
  • Reporting on recent incidents confirms the pattern: some high-profile shooters have posted neo-Nazi or white-supremacist material or expressed anti-government views (for example, recent school-shooting suspects with neo-Nazi ties).
  • Not every mass shooting is ideologically motivated. Large numbers of mass shootings are non-ideological — e.g., family/domestic violence, criminal disputes, or individuals with personal grievances — so counting all mass shootings and attributing them to one “political ideology” would be incorrect. (Researchers and the DOJ/NIJ distinguish ideologically-motivated “domestic terrorism” from other forms of mass violence.)
  • Some recent assassinations and politically salient killings (for example the September 2025 killing of Charlie Kirk) are still under investigation for motive; reporting so far shows a mix of backgrounds and motives — which is why careful, case-by-case confirmation matters before assigning an ideological label.
I know Irvine Buye's list disagrees with this but my prompt had no bias in it (Like "Is all the recent violence right wing?")
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So where's the list of right wing assassins and mass shooters from the past 2 years? This should be a simple ask because the mainstream media is very quick to label violence as right wing on the extremely rare occasions that it does occur.
 
Charlie Kirk was a talking head with little to moderate influence. He jumped at bandwagons and his political-ideological views were neither unique or original. He was killed because Taylor Robinson took personal offense and, ironically, his death lead to greater influence as a martyr. In his life he could only debate on campus, in his death the faculty who spoke ill of him are terminated.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
But you said they just have prayer vigils? And... your bias forgets to mention the violence that has happened at some of these vigils.

Proving my point once again.
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Yah…the right is the violent one….🤦🏽‍♂️👎🏽😂😂😂

A Study In Contrasts: Riots vs. Prayer Vigils

As soon as Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the pundit class starting wringing its collective hands about retribution.

But instead of acts of vengeance, instead of looting and burning down buildings, instead of terrorizing communities, Charlie Kirk’s supporters … held prayer vigils.

In fact, the only violence that we’ve seen so far has been instigated by leftists, who showed up at some of these vigils with a clear intention of stirring up hostility.

A Study In Contrasts: Riots vs. Prayer Vigils – Issues & Insights

Very Liberal People 8x More Likely to Support Political Violence Than Very Conservative

New poll from YouGov

Agree it's okay to be happy about death of political figure they oppose:

Very Liberal: 24%

Liberal: 10%

Moderate: 7%

Conservative: 4%

Very Conservative: 3%

Agree violence can be justified to achieve political goals:

VL: 25%

L: 17%

M: 9%

C: 6%

VC: 3%

Very Liberal People 8x More Likely to Support Political Violence Than Very Conservative – HotAir
 
Liar Loan said:
So where's the list of right wing assassins and mass shooters from the past 2 years? This should be a simple ask because the mainstream media is very quick to label violence as right wing on the extremely rare occasions that it does occur.
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My prompt didn't ask for a list because that's not what you are all claiming.

It did say that most mass shooters don't have an ideology because those are often motivated by non-political issues.

This is what ChatGPT is saying for a more comprehensive list:

Confirmed / Charged Cases with Right-Wing Ideology​


DateDefendant / Victim(s)What the Charges / Convictions AreWhat Ideological Motive / Political Element Is
May 14, 2022 (but trial actions ongoing into recent years)Payton Gendron — Buffalo supermarket mass shooter (killed 10 Black people)He pleaded guilty to state charges (murder, domestic terrorism) and in federal court faces hate crimes & weapons charges. AP News+1The attack was explicitly white supremacist-motivated; targeting Black people at a predominantly Black supermarket. AP News+1
Sept 2024Dallas Erin Humber & Matthew Robert Allison (leaders of Terrorgram)Indicted on multiple counts including soliciting hate crimes, soliciting murder of federal officials, conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. CBS News+2JURIST+2They’re part of a white supremacist accelerationist ideology; they maintained “hit lists”, encouraged violence, hate speech against minorities. CBS News+2JURIST+2
2025-07“Noah Lamb” (California)Indicted for conspiring with white supremacist online group (Terrorgram Collective) to kill federal officials among others. Crime Online+1Ideological: white supremacist group; targets selected due to race, official position etc. Crime Online+1
2024-01-12Payton Gendron again (Buffalo)Federal government moved to seek death penalty for hate crime murders. U.S. NewsExplicit hate motivation (animus toward Black persons). U.S. News
2025-05 / 2025-AugustSuspect in the 2025 Capital Jewish Museum Shooting (DC)Charged with first-degree murder, hate crime charges, firearms offenses, murder of a foreign official; possibly facing death penalty. WikipediaThe victims were staffers of the Israeli embassy; charges include hate crime and murder of foreign official. Wikipedia

So asked for the same for left wing|:

Short answer: There’s only one clearly documented U.S. case in the past ~2 years where a killing has been publicly reported with a left-wing (or explicitly “leftist”) political motive — the Charlie Kirk murder (Sept 10, 2025). Beyond that, left-wing–motivated murders in the U.S. are very rare; many politically motivated killings in recent years have been linked to far-right actors instead. CBS News+1

Confirmed / well-documented (last ~2 years)​

  1. Charlie Kirk — Sept 10, 2025
    • Victim: Charlie Kirk (conservative activist)
    • Accused: Tyler Robinson (22) — charged with aggravated murder; prosecutors say he targeted Kirk for his political views and described evidence (texts, Discord confession, engravings on casings) tying motive to left-leaning / anti-Kirk sentiment. CBS News+1

Cases with mixed / non-clear leftist motive (may be anti-corporate / grievance-driven rather than strictly “left-wing”)​

  • Brian Thompson (UnitedHealthcare CEO) — Dec 2024 — suspect allegedly expressed anger at the health-insurance industry and “corporate greed.” Authorities described this more as anti-corporate/anti-industry grievance; it’s not clearly classifiable as traditional left-wing political killing. New Lines Magazine+1

Important context & data​

  • Multiple analyses and datasets show far-right actors account for the vast majority of extremist-related murders in the U.S. in recent years; confirmed left-wing killings are rare. (See reporting/analyses summarizing political-violence data and trends.) The Guardian+1

Maybe Irvine Buyer needs to help build ChatGPTs knowledge base?
 
When someone is bullied (or feels bullied) you can’t be shocked when stuff like the Charlie Kirk thing happens. There are certain rules we should follow as a normal society. As the saying goes, if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all. If you don’t like gay/trans, minorities, women etc, that is fine. You don’t need to put people down publicly under the guise of religious/political beliefs. When my kids go to school i expect them to come home safely and not get shot at, when i go to target i expect to get my stuff and not be shot in the back by some crazy person. These are/should be the normal societal rules of engagement. Interactions with people in society should be cordial.

This reminds me of those videos on YouTube when the comments all say “when someone who is normal pretends to be crazy meets someone who is crazy that pretends to be normal” - the people on the right pretend to be crazy to rally political support and power and then then whoever they target with their views/speech gets pushed over the edge and do something that is actually crazy.

I don’t really engage in political stuff as it’s not my cup of tea. I consider myself to be very reasonable and fair, my general view is that the right is more of the bully, the left is more of the victim and when the left starts making their views public in response to the right’s views, the right does not like it at all. It’s as if the right thinks their only views are the only acceptable views and that any one else’s views will not be tolerated. Seems quite hypocritical.

To this day I don’t think Trump believes half the shit he says. I think he just realized that he could get political support and power by pandering to a segment of society.
 
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