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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2021, 01:39:21 PM »
Gotta love the MAGA cult followers on this board. Their cult leader leads a coup attempt against our very democracy and they are here gasping at straws rather than condemning the attempted coup.

It's not surprising that Cult followers rationalize everything into their extremely limited view of reality, but it's a shame that these lies and distortions are present on this board.

Some have left the board.
Believe it or not. One GOP congressman said it was not Trump supporters that stormed the US Capital. Lol  (then who was it?)

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I’m still here ;D ;) >:D

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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2021, 02:34:40 PM »
Gotta love the MAGA cult followers on this board. Their cult leader leads a coup attempt against our very democracy and they are here gasping at straws rather than condemning the attempted coup.

It's not surprising that Cult followers rationalize everything into their extremely limited view of reality, but it's a shame that these lies and distortions are present on this board.

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Believe it or not. One GOP congressman said it was not Trump supporters that stormed the US Capital. Lol  (then who was it?)

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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2021, 04:01:17 PM »
https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.
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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2021, 04:44:07 PM »
Initially the "Buffalo Head" guy was labeled as ANTIFA, but as it turns out he's simply an agitator for fringe QAnon type causes. The guy with the hammer and sickle tattoo is not yet clear who his circle of friends are. One person who was there for certain was John Sullivan, a far left ANTIFA type prone to violence. Why would you  see him all the way inside the Capitol if not to cause havoc. If there's a good explanation for that person to be there during a Trump Rally it would be an interesting story to hear.

I've never found a Trump speech to be all that interesting. He's a grind to listen to to put it mildly. Referring to himself in 3rd person, plattitudes and pontificates - blegh.  That said, today I listened to the entire 1/6/2021 speech via a C-SPAN's feed. There was plenty of fiction, fairytales, but also facts about the election broadcast to the MAGA Minions in DC. What wasn't there? A call to arms, an "ask" for violence, zip, zero, nada. I recommend listening to the whole thing uninterrupted (if you can.... I could barely) and help us find the very sparking point for this violence. As things got out of control, the National Guard was called, videos asking people to go home, to not commit violence, were pushed out, and the greater majority of those there to voice their support for the President did just that. It may be hard to find now, but there have been videos circulating of booing the rioters by the peaceful protestors, asking them not to go as far as they have. Quite a difference from the summertime rioting we saw up until 30 days before the election.

Issue arise as well for people who point at Rudy Giuliani's "trial By combat" pull quote. The entire context of the speech was regarding court battles, not street battles. This is the same propagandizing that the media did with the "good people on both sides" mis-quote. Anyone reading the actual press conference where the President said that can easily, and without bias blinders, see that that "good people" quote is 100% out of context. Yet, Biden said it was that quote that determined his run for the Presidency. Please.

This "attack" has erased any possibility of a 2024 run for Trump. Does it rise to the level of a 25th Amendment invocation? Really? Please, those who believe so, show me their posts about how terrible Hillary was in 2019 when she said Biden shouldn't concede, no matter what. Or all of the quotes by her since 2016 about how the election was "stolen". Dear reader, did you complain as well about the near coup d'etat against the Tang Menace known as the Russia Dossier hoax? Really? Point us to your proof here.

This has been a riot - not the fun kind - but a free for all riot - and should be condemned, pepper sprayed, and gassed as any of the riots the left committed over the past 12 months. It's also now a ginned up media frenzy over things that never happened.

Don't fall for it. Do your own research if time permits, as the last thing you want to do is tune into cable news and assume you will get facts.

 
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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2021, 05:05:09 PM »
Initially the "Buffalo Head" guy was labeled as ANTIFA, but as it turns out he's simply an agitator for fringe QAnon type causes. The guy with the hammer and sickle tattoo is not yet clear who his circle of friends are. One person who was there for certain was John Sullivan, a far left ANTIFA type prone to violence. Why would you  see him all the way inside the Capitol if not to cause havoc. If there's a good explanation for that person to be there during a Trump Rally it would be an interesting story to hear.

I've never found a Trump speech to be all that interesting. He's a grind to listen to to put it mildly. Referring to himself in 3rd person, plattitudes and pontificates - blegh.  That said, today I listened to the entire 1/6/2021 speech via a C-SPAN's feed. There was plenty of fiction, fairytales, but also facts about the election broadcast to the MAGA Minions in DC. What wasn't there? A call to arms, an "ask" for violence, zip, zero, nada. I recommend listening to the whole thing uninterrupted (if you can.... I could barely) and help us find the very sparking point for this violence. As things got out of control, the National Guard was called, videos asking people to go home, to not commit violence, were pushed out, and the greater majority of those there to voice their support for the President did just that. It may be hard to find now, but there have been videos circulating of booing the rioters by the peaceful protestors, asking them not to go as far as they have. Quite a difference from the summertime rioting we saw up until 30 days before the election.

Issue arise as well for people who point at Rudy Giuliani's "trial By combat" pull quote. The entire context of the speech was regarding court battles, not street battles. This is the same propagandizing that the media did with the "good people on both sides" mis-quote. Anyone reading the actual press conference where the President said that can easily, and without bias blinders, see that that "good people" quote is 100% out of context. Yet, Biden said it was that quote that determined his run for the Presidency. Please.

This "attack" has erased any possibility of a 2024 run for Trump. Does it rise to the level of a 25th Amendment invocation? Really? Please, those who believe so, show me their posts about how terrible Hillary was in 2019 when she said Biden shouldn't concede, no matter what. Or all of the quotes by her since 2016 about how the election was "stolen". Dear reader, did you complain as well about the near coup d'etat against the Tang Menace known as the Russia Dossier hoax? Really? Point us to your proof here.

This has been a riot - not the fun kind - but a free for all riot - and should be condemned, pepper sprayed, and gassed as any of the riots the left committed over the past 12 months. It's also now a ginned up media frenzy over things that never happened.

Don't fall for it. Do your own research if time permits, as the last thing you want to do is tune into cable news and assume you will get facts.

All I read is a big Trump supporter retreating. (sounding salty)
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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2021, 05:18:06 PM »
It’s almost like riots are politically toxic. I was betting that Trump would win after this summer. Left survived with 12, trump got destroyed with 1.

His future political aspirations rely on him reigning these mouthbreathers back in.

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Re: Congress Elections
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2021, 12:16:41 AM »
It was interesting to see this poll result that 45% of Republicans strongly or somewhat supported "Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol", how toxic. About 30% of Republicans described the people who stormed the Capitol to be "Patriots", sad.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/07/US-capitol-trump-poll

I'm open to more news sources, I've been getting a fair amount this time around from Reason and WSJ, both known to be conservative-leaning, as well as Bloomberg and LA Times.

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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 12:55:08 AM »
https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.

Some info about the rioter who died. Sad.

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Police Identify Woman Shot by Capitol Police as Ashli Babbitt; Officer who shot at Air Force veteran and Trump backer placed on leave amid investigation of her death during Wednesday riot

Ashli Babbitt served for more than a dozen years in the Air Force and Air National Guard, including several deployments to Iraq during the war.

More recently, in a Twitter account under her name, she retweeted thousands of tweets supporting President Trump. On Tuesday, she tweeted herself: "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!"

Her postings on social media leave clues as to how a 35-year-old military veteran turned into an angry supporter of the president.

In a recent posting, she included the hashtag #WWG1WGA, or Where We Go 1 We Go All, a slogan associated with QAnon , a far right-wing, loosely organized network and community of believers who embrace a range of unsubstantiated beliefs.

Ms. Babbitt died Wednesday after being shot by the Capitol Police , the police said, as she was part of the crowd aiming to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. Capitol Police identified Ms. Babbitt Thursday and said the officer who shot her had been placed on leave while her death is investigated.

Ms. Babbitt lived in San Diego. She and her husband owned a pool services and supply company in suburban San Diego, according to California state business records. Her husband didn't respond to phone and email messages.

Robert J. Contee III, DC Metropolitan Police chief, described the incident Wednesday. "One Capitol Police officer discharged a service weapon striking an adult female," he said. "She was transported to a local hospital where all lifesaving efforts failed. She was pronounced deceased."

Multiple videos of the shooting posted on social media show Ms. Babbitt, who appears to be wearing a Trump flag as a cape, falling from a smashed-out window after being shot by an officer on the other side of a set of double doors. The doors appear to have been barricaded to block rioters from making their way into a Congressional hallway.

In the videos, multiple police officers appear to provide first aid to Ms. Babbitt, who was taken to a hospital and later died of her injuries.

On Wednesday, Ms. Babbitt's husband told San Diego television station KUSI that she was a passionate Trump supporter. A Facebook page attributed to Ms. Babbitt says the two married in 2019.

The Storming of the U.S. Capitol

In social-media profiles in her name, Ms. Babbitt is described as a veteran and libertarian who loved her husband, her large black-and-white dog "and above all, my country."

Ms. Babbitt served in the U.S. Air Force under the name of Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, in the branch's security forces, between 2004 and 2008, according to military records. She was a senior airman, a rank of E-4, and last served at Dyess Air Force Base, near Abilene, Texas. She didn't rise to become a noncommissioned officer after years in the reserves and National Guard, according to official records.

She left active duty in April 2008 and served in the Air Force Reserve from 2008 to 2010 and then served in the Air National Guard until 2016, according to records.

During her career, she deployed overseas, including in Iraq.

It was in 2016 that Ms. Babbitt was issued the first of two peace orders, Maryland's version of a restraining order, according to court records, although they don't provide details on who requested the order. She had another restraining order filed against her in 2017, according to Maryland court records. She also was charged in Maryland that year for "willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent" but was found not guilty. She was charged again in 2016 with reckless endangerment, for which she was found not guilty, and malicious destruction of property, for which she was acquitted, that same year, court records show. In 2019, she had a complaint filed against her for aggressive driving that was thrown out based on a lack of jurisdiction, the court records show.

Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."

Right-wing social media influencer Rogan O'Handley, who has 1.8 million followers on Instagram, praised Ms. Babbitt. "She did not deserve to be shot and killed by Capitol police while unarmed." The post was liked more than 186,000 times.

On Twitter, an account in her name that uses the nickname "CommonAshSense," routinely retweeted supporters of Mr. Trump, including attorney L. Lin Wood. She repeatedly retweeted posts about Wednesday's rally. On Wednesday she retweeted a comment from Mr. Wood calling for Vice President Mike Pence to resign and be charged with treason. That tweet was removed by Twitter.

The account, opened in October 2016, includes retweets and comments supportive of conspiracy theories. In November 2018 she posted a pair of videos, recorded while she was driving, complaining about California politicians.

"How about we worry about what the hell you are doing. What have you done?" Ms. Babbitt said. "I'm telling you now, I'm putting you all on notice. Every one of you politicians in California."

She named Gov. Gavin Newsom, former Gov. Jerry Brown, Rep. Maxine Waters, all Democrats, and Republican former Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter.

The account also shared posts against wearing face masks to limit the spread of the coronavirus. On Dec. 9, responding to a news report of an underground party being broken up in Los Angeles, she tweeted that Covid-19 was a joke.

"You aren't a threat to anyone by simply breathing. The officers are fine but should be ashamed. COVID IS A F—ING JOKE! They will face no punishment in court... this is America not China. There are rules here about freedoms and things of that nature!" she wrote.

Jim Oberman and Deepa Seetharaman contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Duehren at andrew.duehren@wsj.com , Alicia A. Caldwell at Alicia.Caldwell@wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com

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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2021, 12:56:50 AM »
The plot thickens. There were videos/pictures of police (not sure which agency) opening the door to the capital, lifting the barriers, taking selfie’s with the insurgents.

A big time investigation should take place.

NYPost: Capitol police hold door for pro-Trump protesters, video shows

A Capitol Police officer was seen politely holding the door for the pro-President Trump protesters to walk out of the building after they caused mayhem that forced lawmakers to barricade themselves inside.

Footage posted to Twitter showed an officer standing by as a stream of cheering protesters filed out of the historic building Wednesday after disrupting a joint session of Congress to certify the November presidential election.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-hold-door-for-pro-trump-protesters-video-shows/

The security or police opened the door for them to leave. A little too nice?

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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2021, 12:58:06 AM »
What is sad is the US capital was under siege! The last time this happened was in 1814 by the British.

https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.

Some info about the rioter who died. Sad.

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Police Identify Woman Shot by Capitol Police as Ashli Babbitt; Officer who shot at Air Force veteran and Trump backer placed on leave amid investigation of her death during Wednesday riot

Ashli Babbitt served for more than a dozen years in the Air Force and Air National Guard, including several deployments to Iraq during the war.

More recently, in a Twitter account under her name, she retweeted thousands of tweets supporting President Trump. On Tuesday, she tweeted herself: "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!"

Her postings on social media leave clues as to how a 35-year-old military veteran turned into an angry supporter of the president.

In a recent posting, she included the hashtag #WWG1WGA, or Where We Go 1 We Go All, a slogan associated with QAnon , a far right-wing, loosely organized network and community of believers who embrace a range of unsubstantiated beliefs.

Ms. Babbitt died Wednesday after being shot by the Capitol Police , the police said, as she was part of the crowd aiming to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. Capitol Police identified Ms. Babbitt Thursday and said the officer who shot her had been placed on leave while her death is investigated.

Ms. Babbitt lived in San Diego. She and her husband owned a pool services and supply company in suburban San Diego, according to California state business records. Her husband didn't respond to phone and email messages.

Robert J. Contee III, DC Metropolitan Police chief, described the incident Wednesday. "One Capitol Police officer discharged a service weapon striking an adult female," he said. "She was transported to a local hospital where all lifesaving efforts failed. She was pronounced deceased."

Multiple videos of the shooting posted on social media show Ms. Babbitt, who appears to be wearing a Trump flag as a cape, falling from a smashed-out window after being shot by an officer on the other side of a set of double doors. The doors appear to have been barricaded to block rioters from making their way into a Congressional hallway.

In the videos, multiple police officers appear to provide first aid to Ms. Babbitt, who was taken to a hospital and later died of her injuries.

On Wednesday, Ms. Babbitt's husband told San Diego television station KUSI that she was a passionate Trump supporter. A Facebook page attributed to Ms. Babbitt says the two married in 2019.

The Storming of the U.S. Capitol

In social-media profiles in her name, Ms. Babbitt is described as a veteran and libertarian who loved her husband, her large black-and-white dog "and above all, my country."

Ms. Babbitt served in the U.S. Air Force under the name of Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, in the branch's security forces, between 2004 and 2008, according to military records. She was a senior airman, a rank of E-4, and last served at Dyess Air Force Base, near Abilene, Texas. She didn't rise to become a noncommissioned officer after years in the reserves and National Guard, according to official records.

She left active duty in April 2008 and served in the Air Force Reserve from 2008 to 2010 and then served in the Air National Guard until 2016, according to records.

During her career, she deployed overseas, including in Iraq.

It was in 2016 that Ms. Babbitt was issued the first of two peace orders, Maryland's version of a restraining order, according to court records, although they don't provide details on who requested the order. She had another restraining order filed against her in 2017, according to Maryland court records. She also was charged in Maryland that year for "willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent" but was found not guilty. She was charged again in 2016 with reckless endangerment, for which she was found not guilty, and malicious destruction of property, for which she was acquitted, that same year, court records show. In 2019, she had a complaint filed against her for aggressive driving that was thrown out based on a lack of jurisdiction, the court records show.

Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."

Right-wing social media influencer Rogan O'Handley, who has 1.8 million followers on Instagram, praised Ms. Babbitt. "She did not deserve to be shot and killed by Capitol police while unarmed." The post was liked more than 186,000 times.

On Twitter, an account in her name that uses the nickname "CommonAshSense," routinely retweeted supporters of Mr. Trump, including attorney L. Lin Wood. She repeatedly retweeted posts about Wednesday's rally. On Wednesday she retweeted a comment from Mr. Wood calling for Vice President Mike Pence to resign and be charged with treason. That tweet was removed by Twitter.

The account, opened in October 2016, includes retweets and comments supportive of conspiracy theories. In November 2018 she posted a pair of videos, recorded while she was driving, complaining about California politicians.

"How about we worry about what the hell you are doing. What have you done?" Ms. Babbitt said. "I'm telling you now, I'm putting you all on notice. Every one of you politicians in California."

She named Gov. Gavin Newsom, former Gov. Jerry Brown, Rep. Maxine Waters, all Democrats, and Republican former Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter.

The account also shared posts against wearing face masks to limit the spread of the coronavirus. On Dec. 9, responding to a news report of an underground party being broken up in Los Angeles, she tweeted that Covid-19 was a joke.

"You aren't a threat to anyone by simply breathing. The officers are fine but should be ashamed. COVID IS A F—ING JOKE! They will face no punishment in court... this is America not China. There are rules here about freedoms and things of that nature!" she wrote.

Jim Oberman and Deepa Seetharaman contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Duehren at andrew.duehren@wsj.com , Alicia A. Caldwell at Alicia.Caldwell@wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com
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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2021, 01:04:57 AM »
Business Insider Article: Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, called for 'trial by combat' while addressing a mob of pro-Trump supporters, just hours before hundreds of them violently stormed the Capitol on Wednesday.

Giuliani repeated false claims that the election results were "fraudulent" and told the crowd: "If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we're right a lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat."

Trial by combat is a term deriving from ancient Germanic law in which individuals settle disputes through armed combat.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-called-on-trump-supporters-for-trial-by-combat-2021-1



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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2021, 06:15:41 AM »
Just looking at the time since the election, let alone the last 4 years, the meaning of rhetoric is plainly obvious.  We have dealt with the “I didn’t explicitly say that” in Nuremberg.  I only followed orders. Etc.

In the end, after they assaulted the capitol, Trump basically said bravo patriots. Clearly indicating, IMHO, they did exactly what he encouraged them to do and hoped they would do.


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Re: Congress Elections
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2021, 06:35:34 AM »
Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."


What a load of...false equivalence!

How can the traitor trumpists imply that the death of someone storming the US capital is the same as Taylor, shot in her own home in a fusillade of gunfire from home invaders with badges.

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