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Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« on: May 07, 2020, 10:11:27 AM »
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Sweden has zero lockdown” and “is in no worse shape than Denmark or Norway,” which are in lockdown.
Total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people.  (politifact.com April 28)
United States: 2,220.79


Sweden: 1,368.61
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The true number of cases is between 28 and 55 times higher than the number of confirmed cases of Covid 19.  What this means is that the fatality rate is approximately 0.05% to 0.1%.
Fake News in White House Briefing Room admits it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUmkVH1Gcls&feature=youtu.be
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Normal Distribution Curves

I submit that we are currently following the flatter blue curve, at an absurd and unsustainable cost.  Had the worldwide depression not been instituted, we would be following the higher, black curve, ending the pandemic sooner with a similar number of fatalities. (Time frame approximate)
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2020, 10:15:12 AM »
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2020, 10:18:38 AM »
Where you been big guy?

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2020, 10:55:23 AM »
Swedes are not as expressive with their body language and maintain physical distance (personal space) during interactions.  They also speak quietly.   The four zones of Swedish personal space:

https://www.arbetslos.nu/Handbok-social-kompetens.htm  (Swedish)
http://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/29/swedish-personal-space-bubble/  (English)

1. THE INTIMATE ZONE: up to 0.5m. This zone is for people who share a deep relationship, spouses and partners, children and other family members.

2. THE PERSONAL ZONE: up to 1m. This zone is for good friends.

3. THE SOCIAL ZONE: from 1 to 2m. This zone is for social contexts, when you don’t know the person too well.

4. THE PUBLIC ZONE: 2m or more. This zone is for places such as the library, bus stops, general public spaces where you don’t know people.


In comparison, the stereotypical Mediterranean (Italian) cultural norms in personal space is much shorter, and people speak much louder.
 

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2020, 11:10:52 AM »
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God Bless you, dear Friend.   Thank you for your beautiful and encouraging words.
I have been sorely troubled and won't burden you with it.  Suffice to say that I get around parts of Irvine and do everything I can for every wonderful citizen of Irvine every single day.  I  hope each of you will do likewise.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2020, 11:12:14 AM »
We discussed this on another thread when those 2 Bakersfield doctors brought Sweden up to prove their "data".

People are posting this on Facebook but here is the actual Politifact post that is contrary to what is being said:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/28/facebook-posts/sweden-mostly-open-has-higher-covid-19-death-rate-/

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It goes too far to say Sweden has no lockdown in response to COVID-19. Sweden’s recommendations aren’t as strict as Norway’s and Denmark’s, but it is recommending social distancing.

The rate of confirmed coronavirus cases is rising faster in Sweden than in Norway and Denmark, and Sweden has a higher death rate.

Differences such as how much testing is being done from one country to another can make comparisons difficult.

It's not really "zero lockdown" in Sweden. They have banned group gatherings of 50 or more, there are rules that govern how many can be in bars and restaurants and most of the population is observing their own personal social distancing. Public transit usage is down, large group gatherings (even less than 50) are not common and people are wearing masks/gloves etc.

Here are the actual numbers from WorldOMeter:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Country  Cases                Deaths             Recovered   Active      Critical #/mil  Deaths/Mil  Tests     Tests/Mil

Sweden   23,918      2,941      4,074   16,903   425   2,368   291   148,500   14,704

Denmark   9,938      506              7,493   1,939   46   1,716   87   270,680   46,732

Norway   7,996      216                  32   7,748   27   1,475   40   189,657   34,984

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2020, 11:15:43 AM »
Where you been big guy?

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No man  is an island, but I am a remote peninsula.

paraprosdokians - from the Greek word which means a phrase which takes you someplace very different than you first thought it would go. 

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2020, 11:21:09 AM »
The point of not locking down should have been to preserve the economy.

But, its economy is hurting anyway. They are not doing better economically than other Nordic countries or even US.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-has-avoided-a-coronavirus-lockdown-its-economy-is-hurting-anyway-11588870062

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2020, 11:22:00 AM »
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 08:37:06 AM »
THE SOLUTION to worldwide panic and economic depression is to open up everything. Those who CHOOSE to go out and *risk* a 0.1% to 0.3% fatality rate are free to do so. I'll be the first.
Those who CHOOSE fear and panic are welcome to stay sheltered in their homes, venturing out ONLY on rare occasions for food, wearing two masks, two gloves and spraying themselves liberally with alcohol.

Problem solved!
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 09:00:48 AM »
THE SOLUTION to worldwide panic and economic depression is to open up everything. Those who CHOOSE to go out and *risk* a 0.1% to 0.3% fatality rate are free to do so. I'll be the first.
Those who CHOOSE fear and panic are welcome to stay sheltered in their homes, venturing out ONLY on rare occasions for food, wearing two masks, two gloves and spraying themselves liberally with alcohol.

Problem solved!

1. There are third world countries that do not have running water or stable electricity that had zero cases of covid. Fact check: they did not spend billions of dollars and do a massive bailout. Also, they do not have a miracle drug or vaccine.
2. There are states that open up that do not meet the Trump administration guidelines. (Trump disagreed with Georgia opening up early. But how about the other states.)
3. The strategy of creating chaos during this pandemic does not help.

The argument of 1 to 3 percent of people will die does not sit well with Americans. This thread is fake and border line propaganda.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2020, 09:11:43 AM »
Sweden, South Dakota and now Georgia were right...this was fairly pointless...


The invisible pandemic

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.
In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext

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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2020, 09:44:40 AM »


1. There are third world countries that do not have running water or stable electricity that had zero cases of covid. Fact check: they did not spend billions of dollars and do a massive bailout. Also, they do not have a miracle drug or vaccine.

A splendid argument IN SUPPORT of this thread which you later condemn.

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The argument of 1 to 3 percent (sic) of people will die does not sit well with Americans. This thread is fake and border line (sic)  propaganda.
 

The Fake News in the White House Press Room cited "0.1% to 0.3%."  You are off by an order of magnitude.  Your remark is fake and your spelling is poor.

First you assert that third world countries are faring quite well without our widespread panic, and then you promote the panic by calling this thread "border line (sic) propaganda." 

Make up your mind,would  you please?
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Re: Covid19 Facts Should Ease Your Mind
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2020, 09:48:56 AM »
morekaos, the governor of NY: No need to close anything.  Everyone is gonna get covid anyway, so might as well get it overwith.


50,000 people die in NY, and a great percentage of them were medical workers.


morekaos, the governor of NY: Closing everything down would have been pointless.  I stand by my decision to do nothing.

morekaos is recalled.


Now perhaps morekaos meant CA should do nothing...We do have fewer cases.  Our car culture is saving us, but then you look at LA and it looks pretty bad.

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2020, 09:59:52 AM »
It is a known fact that the country of Vietnam has no covid cases due to their quarantine, surveillance, and genius approach. The country of Vietnam does not have a lot of money. But they were able to beat the covid virus. (No offense to Vietnamese people or the country)

There are other countries such as New Zealand and Hong Kong that has minimal covid cases. They are also strict on quarantine. For example if you come to the country you have to be in quarantine for 14 days. Also, there is tracking and tracing. Try not to laugh but those countries that I previously mentioned went into lockdown mode the same time as the US. But we did not enforce it and Trump created chaos. They did not spend trillions of dollars to fight covid virus. The American way is to spend money. It sounds like a bandaid rather than a solution.

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1. There are third world countries that do not have running water or stable electricity that had zero cases of covid. Fact check: they did not spend billions of dollars and do a massive bailout. Also, they do not have a miracle drug or vaccine.

A splendid argument IN SUPPORT of this thread which you later condemn.

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The argument of 1 to 3 percent (sic) of people will die does not sit well with Americans. This thread is fake and border line (sic)  propaganda.
 

The Fake News in the White House Press Room cited "0.1% to 0.3%."  You are off by an order of magnitude.  Your remark is fake and your spelling is poor.

First you assert that third world countries are faring quite well without our widespread panic, and then you promote the panic by calling this thread "border line (sic) propaganda." 

Make up your mind,would  you please?
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