Why so many negative comments about living in the City of Irvine?

[quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1228478245][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228468981]

I know of several hundred of significant homes in OC and the legacy behind each one. Even in Irvine there is one significant home with a legacy. Any guess?</blockquote>


13042 Old Myford Rd.</blockquote>


Congratulation!! Home of Myford Irvine rebuilt as a library.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228479412][quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1228478245][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228468981]

I know of several hundred of significant homes in OC and the legacy behind each one. Even in Irvine there is one significant home with a legacy. Any guess?</blockquote>


13042 Old Myford Rd.</blockquote>


Congratulation!! Home of Myford Irvine rebuilt as a library.</blockquote>


For my prize I'd like the honor of joining you for lunch some time. You are an amazing addition to this space. Thank you for all of your effort and sharing.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228463956]

I never saw my neighbors because they live behind their garage. They used their garage as a primary entry. The neighbors never saw each other because most living spaces of the homes were off the tiny backyard. 5 neighbors were contiguous to my rear yard and 3 were at the back and 2 on my sides. I knew their bathroom habit well because I could see the lighting frequency and timing. All my neighbor?s second floor windows viewed down to my yard so I never used it. They looked down on to my window so I kept the blinds closed most of the time.



Our front yards were small so no one bothered to spend time manicuring their front. There was definitely no social interaction on the street.



The street was very wide and several kids playing on the street were almost run over by speeding cars so parents never let their kids out playing on the street again.



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Although I generally agree with everything you say BK, this might be a bit broad brush. We have lived in Irvine for 3 years, and have had tremendous success making local friends...And with no assist from IHB. Sometimes I wish we had fewer local friends, the social docket can become overwhelming at times. While a great deal of our local relationships have been cultivated through shared activities (mostly toddler and now elementary school stuff) we have also developed casual friendships with many of our neighbors --- in an IAC townhome community, which is probably not known as the most social environment.



But the point I really want to make is what I have experienced in my new neighborhood....and I have not even moved in yet. We leased a SFR in West Irvine (a couple on here know the address), but don't move in until mid-Dec. But we have had full possession since late November, and have been to the home several times bringing small items over. In these 2 weeks, we have met nearly every close proximity neighbor. They stopped their car in the street and got out to introduce themselves the day we got the keys (we were standing in the driveway waiting for the owner to arrive --- they stopped the car, got out and said "you moving in"?). The next door neighbors came over as we were getting out of our car (inside the garage) to introduce their girls to ours. On the weekends when I stop by there are blaze orange warning signs in the street indicating "kids at play" --- and there ARE indeed many kids at play, and adults standing around BS'ing. Just tonight I met a painter there for an estimate at 5pm, and even though it was getting dark the "kids" sign was up on the street again, and it looked like a bike rally at the end of the cul de sac. Even though we have not even moved in yet, I already feel like we hit the lottery on this street.



Now of course I am not naive enough to think every street is as friendly as this seems to be....but I think you might be a little broad in your assessment of Irvine as a walled city. But I am a big believer that you get out what you put into relationships. I'm a pretty social guy, and even if I could not find a guy to drink a beer around the fire pit with on my street --- I will seek them out in other activities. Irvine is a big, diverse city --- and whoever you are there are no doubt many people here with shared interests...You just need to seek it out. Just my .02.
 
[quote author="CK" date=1228480325][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228463956]

I never saw my neighbors because they live behind their garage. They used their garage as a primary entry. The neighbors never saw each other because most living spaces of the homes were off the tiny backyard. 5 neighbors were contiguous to my rear yard and 3 were at the back and 2 on my sides. I knew their bathroom habit well because I could see the lighting frequency and timing. All my neighbor?s second floor windows viewed down to my yard so I never used it. They looked down on to my window so I kept the blinds closed most of the time.



Our front yards were small so no one bothered to spend time manicuring their front. There was definitely no social interaction on the street.



The street was very wide and several kids playing on the street were almost run over by speeding cars so parents never let their kids out playing on the street again.



</blockquote>


Although I generally agree with everything you say BK, this might be a bit broad brush. We have lived in Irvine for 3 years, and have had tremendous success making local friends...And with no assist from IHB. Sometimes I wish we had fewer local friends, the social docket can become overwhelming at times. While a great deal of our local relationships have been cultivated through shared activities (mostly toddler and now elementary school stuff) we have also developed casual friendships with many of our neighbors --- in an IAC townhome community, which is probably not known as the most social environment.



But the point I really want to make is what I have experienced in my new neighborhood....and I have not even moved in yet. We leased a SFR in West Irvine (a couple on here know the address), but don't move in until mid-Dec. But we have had full possession since late November, and have been to the home several times bringing small items over. In these 2 weeks, we have met nearly every close proximity neighbor. They stopped their car in the street and got out to introduce themselves the day we got the keys (we were standing in the driveway waiting for the owner to arrive --- they stopped the car, got out and said "you moving in"?). The next door neighbors came over as we were getting out of our car (inside the garage) to introduce their girls to ours. On the weekends when I stop by there are blaze orange warning signs in the street indicating "kids at play" --- and there ARE indeed many kids at play, and adults standing around BS'ing. Just tonight I met a painter there for an estimate at 5pm, and even though it was getting dark the "kids" sign was up on the street again, and it looked like a bike rally at the end of the cul de sac. Even though we have not even moved in yet, I already feel like we hit the lottery on this street.



Now of course I am not naive enough to think every street is as friendly as this seems to be....but I think you might be a little broad in your assessment of Irvine as a walled city. But I am a big believer that you get out what you put into relationships. I'm a pretty social guy, and even if I could not find a guy to drink a beer around the fire pit with on my street --- I will seek them out in other activities. Irvine is a big, diverse city --- and whoever you are there are no doubt many people here with shared interests...You just need to seek it out. Just my .02.</blockquote>


The lower price strata of Irvine you will meet more of the down to earth people. I did a post on that earlier on that. I agree with you that I can't broad stroke the entire city and there are always exceptions. There is some truth in my posting as it relates to the more expensive neighborhoods.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228481341]The lower price strata of Irvine you will meet more of the down to earth people. I did a post on that earlier on that. I agree with you that I can't broad stroke the entire city and there are always exceptions. There is some truth in my posting as it relates to the more expensive neighborhoods.</blockquote>


Well, low price and down to earth describe us. Except for the LV and Gucci bags, of course. We have friends who live high up behind the gates in Newport Coast, and don't like their neighbors at all. I'd rather be low budget on the flatlands with the nice people. Who like to drink beer around the firepit.
 
[quote author="CK" date=1228481575][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228481341]The lower price strata of Irvine you will meet more of the down to earth people. I did a post on that earlier on that. I agree with you that I can't broad stroke the entire city and there are always exceptions. There is some truth in my posting as it relates to the more expensive neighborhoods.</blockquote>


Well, low price and down to earth describe us. Except for the LV and Gucci bags, of course. We have friends who live high up behind the gates in Newport Coast, and don't like their neighbors at all. I'd rather be low budget on the flatlands with the nice people. Who like to drink beer around the firepit.</blockquote>


There are BMWs and Mercedes parked on the driveways too along with LVs and Gucci in the closet. West Irvine not a surprise to me is the friendliest in Irvine. The demographics living in West Irvine are Asian families with kids from toddlers to late teens. This is also a primary reason why Myford and Pioneer are doing so well with test scores. The LV bags is part of the Asian genetic code. Which project will you be moving to? Cal Pac Ivywood, Wisteria, Lewis Independence, Fieldstone Traditions, John Laing Homes duplex, Lennar Townhomes or William Lyon triplex? or way north to Sheridan?
 
I too have yet to make a friend in Irvine. I've lived here for almost 3 years now. I'm not sure why that is. But I do find people keep to themselves more than some other parts of Orange County.

BKShopper, I too share a passion for the historic homes in the area. I love Floral Park, Citrus Heights, Old Town Orange, and a hoist of other pockets of the old OC. My family has lived in Orange County since the late 1890's. When my great grandfather first came here lots along Newport Coast cost .10 cents. Oh how I wish he snatched all those up so you would be talking about me as the great land baroness and not Donald Bren great holdings. I have a lot of family stories and my own experience growing up in Orange County to comment on how much it has changed. Does anyone remember when the only reason to venture to Irvine was the Lion Country safari? When I was a kid I always said I lived in LA because no one, no one knew where "the OC" was. I've really noticed a rapid change in the last ten years. I suspect the housing boom helped fuel that change. The OC, and Irvine in particular, has definitely become more material centric than relationship centric. I also suspect the culture diversity in Irvine is the main deterrent to Irvine forming a strong neighborly community. I think it is hard for people to connect when everyone is from different backgrounds whether the differences are imagined or real. I lived in Florence Italy for a while and found it very hard to fit it and reach put to people. With no history and all new people maybe it will just take some more time to evolve. Irvine does have a lot going for it though- schools, clean, location, safe. Very fortunate things to have and I feel lucky to enjoy them. But, a large part of me would leave in a heart beat if it wasn't so inconvenient to our lives to do so.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228481341]



The lower price strata of Irvine you will meet more of the down to earth people. I did a post on that earlier on that. I agree with you that I can't broad stroke the entire city and there are always exceptions. There is some truth in my posting as it relates to the more expensive neighborhoods.</blockquote>


I live in an area that is more expensive, but by no means Shady Canyon-esque. However, I know pretty much all my neighbors except for a mean Korean lady that lives two doors down (Panda's wife maybe?). Maybe my neighborhood is an exception, but we all go to each other kids' birthday parties and are always invited to each other's BBQ's. With kids its real nice knowing that the neighbors are looking after your kids as well as their own. I don't know if my area is a rarity, but I consider my family to be lucky. bkshopr seems like a nice guy, so he must have been really unlucky to fall into a neighborhood that anti-social.
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1228437119]Foreign Cash Buyers, the mystical beasts that will keep Irvine and NB real estate appreciate indefinitely.</blockquote>


FCB. For a moment, I thought maybe it stands for Fxxxxxx Chinese Bitches/Bastards....
 
[quote author="20percentdown" date=1228484881][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1228437119]Foreign Cash Buyers, the mystical beasts that will keep Irvine and NB real estate appreciate indefinitely.</blockquote>


FCB. For a moment, I thought maybe it stands for Fxxxxxx Chinese Bitches/Bastards....</blockquote>


They jacked up the prices in Irvine before the bubble so for many your term is equivalent.
 
A common theme seems to be kids. When you have kids, you get to know your neighbors, at least most of your neighbors with kids. I don't really think it matters if you live in SA or Irvine, kids unite people. However, over here in SA, we have our neighbors across the street who enter their house via the garage, their child was born the same month as ours, yet we do not even know their names. It's a societal difference, not necessarily a neighborhood difference. We send our kids to different preschools, work in different cities and generally do not NEED to know each other. How very sad. We all grow further apart from our closest friends due to proximity, yet we should be friends with those who ARE close in proximity. In our neighborhood we have tried and succeeded with many near us. We have neighborhood play dates weekly, an end of summer tie-dye party and various other gatherings that are gradually bringing others in. I still feel sad about the neighbors across the street, but it seems to be the way they want it. Could that be true? Again, how very sad.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1228485585]A common theme seems to be kids. When you have kids, you get to know your neighbors, at least most of your neighbors with kids. I don't really think it matters if you live in SA or Irvine, kids unite people. However, over here in SA, we have our neighbors across the street who enter their house via the garage, their child was born the same month as ours, yet we do not even know their names. It's a societal difference, not necessarily a neighborhood difference. We send our kids to different preschools, work in different cities and generally do not NEED to know each other. How very sad. We all grow further apart from our closest friends due to proximity, yet we should be friends with those who ARE close in proximity. In our neighborhood we have tried and succeeded with many near us. We have neighborhood play dates weekly, an end of summer tie-dye party and various other gatherings that are gradually bringing others in. I still feel sad about the neighbors across the street, but it seems to be the way they want it. Could that be true? Again, how very sad.</blockquote>


Garage is evil!!

Garage is evil!!

Garage is evil!!

Garage is evil!!

Garage is evil!!



It alienates socialization



That explains it. Garage and no kids.



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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228483489] Which project will you be moving to? Cal Pac Ivywood, Wisteria, Lewis Independence, Fieldstone Traditions, John Laing Homes duplex, Lennar Townhomes or William Lyon triplex? or way north to Sheridan?</blockquote>


Ivywood
 
I guess BK and I are having a little love affair tonight. BK, I really appreciate your views and attitude. Just to make it clear: We live here in North Santa Ana in a "legacy" neighborhood and we plan to have a legacy. We have no intention to move anywhere, we want our kids to grow up here and know their neighbors. Some of the things we grew up with are important to us and we believe will be important to our kids, they are neighbors and community. We bought our house when prices were way too high (2004), put 50% down and really don't care where prices go from here because we are staying. And yes, garages are evil.
 
[quote author="Boston2theBay" date=1228451166][quote author="CalGal" date=1228444592]<blockquote>When I?m walking along the San Gabriel river in south El Monte, the Mexicans there greet me and I chat with them about their dog or horse (it?s a horse trail). They?re not as wealthy as OC yuppies but very relaxed and friendly people. In Irvine people would pretend they didn?t see you and avoid eye contact.</blockquote>
I totally agree. I have yet to meet a Mexican that I didn't like. In general, they are the most friendliest people I have ever met. I'm moving to Boston, and I want to take them all with me. :coolsmile: They are one of the things that I'll miss about California. :down:



Now before Troop says anything, I haven't met a Mexican gang member. I'm thinking they might be a bit different.</blockquote>


Having recently lived in New England for many years, I can attest that it is just as racist and closed-minded as the South - worse in many ways. The Red Sox cap replaces the Confederate Flag and the weather is colder, but otherwise it's the same place as when South Boston residents rioted in the 70s over de-segregation. Southie - another paradox. Think about this:where else in the country do you have public housing projects full of white people (multi-generational Irish welfare families)? I enjpoyed living there but was truly appalled at the institutional racism, and de-facto housing segregation (know anyone living in Lowell?) that is part and parcel of everyday life. It must suck to be a minority in Boston proper and have to deal with the cops.



My favorite barometer was radio: 1 R&B station, 1 Latino station, 5 hard rock stations. The mullet and IROC are alive and well in New England.</blockquote>
Totally agree with all statements mentioned above.

I've was born and raised in Boston so I know exactly what you are referring to.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1228456651][quote author="CalGal" date=1228444592]<blockquote>When I?m walking along the San Gabriel river in south El Monte, the Mexicans there greet me and I chat with them about their dog or horse (it?s a horse trail). They?re not as wealthy as OC yuppies but very relaxed and friendly people. In Irvine people would pretend they didn?t see you and avoid eye contact.</blockquote>
I totally agree. I have yet to meet a Mexican that I didn't like. In general, they are the most friendliest people I have ever met.</blockquote>


Ipo thinks I am grumpy.</blockquote>
I didn't know you were Mexican.

Oh, and I've only met you once, but I think Kevin Spacey is the perfect actor for you.

And that's a compliment - Keven Spacey is one of my favorite actors.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228473200]Panda,



When you are in the neighborhood just look me up. I am often seen wandering up and down the Jeffrey open space. If I am not there then I must be taking a nap over at the roofed bus shelter. On Sunday morning I have been the first one digging through the Goodwill donation piles looking for Pradas by the Carpool parking lot. Even me an Irvine hobo need to defined my status by having the right accessories. (Bk stealing the wireless internet sitting outside of Northpark Starbuck patio pretending to be a customer holding a cup other customers threw away)</blockquote>


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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1228486762]I love 3-car wide garages. They don't make those anymore in Irvine.</blockquote>


I did a survey once that Asians overwhelmingly favored 3 car wide garages at the front of the home. They like the definition of status because having a 3 car garage meant the house behind it should be pretty big. Another factor is the ease of maneuverability in driving in and backing out. It required a commanding lot width to plot the garages. A house that is wider at the front often is associated with prestige.
 
I think the best thing about that is the driveway space. Especially now how homes are made so close together, there's not much street parking in the newer neigborhoods.



The arrangement is so versatile if you have kids who are of driving age as you can basically do 3 cars in, 2 cars in, 1 garage storage, 1 car garage driveway parking, etc etc etc. The trend nowadays is to do the tandem compact garage or the L-garage but neither of those configurations provide parking in the driveway without having to move vehicles around.



I think that feature alone adds a premium to a house that sometimes gets overlooked. I routinely do searches on houses for sale with 3-car wide garages and it surprises me that they don't command a higher price like pergraniteel pretends to.
 
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