irvinehomeowner
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I vote for IHS to design the cemetery!
Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
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zubs
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I wonder how our government picks who gets to design and build the cemetery. Is it the company that gives the most campaign contributions? I heard government contracts are really watched closely, but there are loops holes.
The only way government can pick a contractor/designer w/o looking like they're getting kickbacks is by being transparent....line item audit posted on the internet updated weekly/monthly.
The only way government can pick a contractor/designer w/o looking like they're getting kickbacks is by being transparent....line item audit posted on the internet updated weekly/monthly.
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Is the Original (ARDA) Cemetery Site IN the Great Park? Trick Question! (Plus, a Poll!)
By Greg Diamond ? April 30, 2017 Posted in: "The OC", Fresh Juice
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2017...in-the-great-park-trick-question-plus-a-poll/
Easy homework. Read it. Please.
By Greg Diamond ? April 30, 2017 Posted in: "The OC", Fresh Juice
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2017...in-the-great-park-trick-question-plus-a-poll/
Easy homework. Read it. Please.
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Strawberry Fields Forever?
Governor Jerry Brown indicated it could be strawberry fields forever for Orange County veterans at a Friday press conference in Irvine, where he expressed fondness for a cemetery site near the 5 and 405 freeway interchange.
...in the press conference Brown indicated a fondness for the Fivepoint-owned freeway site. ?Obviously, I like (the) strawberry patch ? ?Strawberry Fields.? Remember that song?? Brown told reporters.
Reached later for comment, Lalloway dismissed Brown?s Strawberry Fields comment ....
Governor Jerry Brown indicated it could be strawberry fields forever for Orange County veterans at a Friday press conference in Irvine, where he expressed fondness for a cemetery site near the 5 and 405 freeway interchange.
...in the press conference Brown indicated a fondness for the Fivepoint-owned freeway site. ?Obviously, I like (the) strawberry patch ? ?Strawberry Fields.? Remember that song?? Brown told reporters.
Reached later for comment, Lalloway dismissed Brown?s Strawberry Fields comment ....
usctrojancpa
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Moonbeam needs to go back up to Sactown because he's already pissed me off with that whole BS gas tax.
irvinehomeshopper
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Between now and the end of June. One politician will receive an obscene amount of deposit into the untraceable account. The final decision will end the competition between the Village and the Park.
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PRESS RELEASE
QUIRK-SILVA FUNDS VETERANS CEMETERY
"SACRAMENTO ? Prior to the start of Memorial Day weekend, Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva (D-Fullerton) made the following statement on the inclusion of a $30 million allocation of funds in the 2017 California State Budget Report for an Orange County Veterans Cemetery.
(this is the for ARDA site cemetery favored by Agran/Lalloway, near the high school)
?This is a fitting announcement for Memorial Day Weekend, when we honor those American heroes that made the ultimate sacrifice. An Orange County Veterans Cemetery reflects the values and priorities of our community and gives local veterans the option of a military burial that is closer to home.?
This allocation came directly after Quirk-Silva hosted California Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. in Orange County, where they had a private tour of proposed sites for a new state veteran cemetery in Irvine. Assemblywoman Quirk-Silva and Governor Brown also met with local officials and community groups, in order to facilitate the budget appropriation of funds.
In 2014, Assemblywoman Quirk-Silva authored legislation that set the way for State and Federal approval of plans, leading to the construction and operation of the Orange County Veterans Cemetery project."
https://a65.asmdc.org/press-releases/quirk-silva-funds-orange-county-veteran-cemetery
And now that Irvine is rethinking the adjacent golf course, perhaps the cemetery should be expanded for additional capacity!
QUIRK-SILVA FUNDS VETERANS CEMETERY
"SACRAMENTO ? Prior to the start of Memorial Day weekend, Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva (D-Fullerton) made the following statement on the inclusion of a $30 million allocation of funds in the 2017 California State Budget Report for an Orange County Veterans Cemetery.
(this is the for ARDA site cemetery favored by Agran/Lalloway, near the high school)
?This is a fitting announcement for Memorial Day Weekend, when we honor those American heroes that made the ultimate sacrifice. An Orange County Veterans Cemetery reflects the values and priorities of our community and gives local veterans the option of a military burial that is closer to home.?
This allocation came directly after Quirk-Silva hosted California Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. in Orange County, where they had a private tour of proposed sites for a new state veteran cemetery in Irvine. Assemblywoman Quirk-Silva and Governor Brown also met with local officials and community groups, in order to facilitate the budget appropriation of funds.
In 2014, Assemblywoman Quirk-Silva authored legislation that set the way for State and Federal approval of plans, leading to the construction and operation of the Orange County Veterans Cemetery project."
https://a65.asmdc.org/press-releases/quirk-silva-funds-orange-county-veteran-cemetery
And now that Irvine is rethinking the adjacent golf course, perhaps the cemetery should be expanded for additional capacity!
Since you mentioned Sharon Quirk-Silva. I had to do the same. 
?Democrat Sharon Quirk-Silva made it very clear with her vote to raise the gas tax that she is not a part of the solution ? she is a part of the problem,? said Chairman Fred Whitaker. ?Quirk-Silva could have done the right thing by opposing the 19.5 cent tax increase and higher vehicle registration fees on the working families in her district, but instead she chose to put politics above people.?
?The State of California collected billions of dollars in gas taxes over the years ? and has nothing but worn down roads and infrastructure to show for it. In the past, Democrats diverted the funds for their pet projects, then just raised your taxes to pay for it. They?ve just done it again.?
Source:http://www.oc-breeze.com/2017/04/09...ticizes-quirk-silva-support-gas-tax-increase/
?Democrat Sharon Quirk-Silva made it very clear with her vote to raise the gas tax that she is not a part of the solution ? she is a part of the problem,? said Chairman Fred Whitaker. ?Quirk-Silva could have done the right thing by opposing the 19.5 cent tax increase and higher vehicle registration fees on the working families in her district, but instead she chose to put politics above people.?
?The State of California collected billions of dollars in gas taxes over the years ? and has nothing but worn down roads and infrastructure to show for it. In the past, Democrats diverted the funds for their pet projects, then just raised your taxes to pay for it. They?ve just done it again.?
Source:http://www.oc-breeze.com/2017/04/09...ticizes-quirk-silva-support-gas-tax-increase/
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usctrojancpa
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eyephone said:Since you mentioned Sharon Quirk-Silva. I had to do the same.
?Democrat Sharon Quirk-Silva made it very clear with her vote to raise the gas tax that she is not a part of the solution ? she is a part of the problem,? said Chairman Fred Whitaker. ?Quirk-Silva could have done the right thing by opposing the 19.5 cent tax increase and higher vehicle registration fees on the working families in her district, but instead she chose to put politics above people.?
?The State of California collected billions of dollars in gas taxes over the years ? and has nothing but worn down roads and infrastructure to show for it. In the past, Democrats diverted the funds for their pet projects, then just raised your taxes to pay for it. They?ve just done it again.?
Source:http://www.oc-breeze.com/2017/04/09...ticizes-quirk-silva-support-gas-tax-increase/
Our Gang said:
Yeah, those taxes seem to somehow end up funding that endless black hole known as the state/municipal pensions.
Kangen.Irvine
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If only the state would stop interfering with their fiduciary responsibility to invest in the best options, which lowers the pension expected returns. The legislators keep on passing laws as to what can be invested in because it goes against California's vision (e.g. oil companies, construction companies).
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Rice Vino said:
Take a look athttp://www.schottinthedark.org/2017...ould-get-the-land-for-free-lynn-schott-would/
Those would be your taxes, doing Larry Agran's vengeance.
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jmoney74
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The counter argument is that five points gets to make more money with the swap.
My response... And???
My response... And???
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jmoney74 said:
Exactly. And why do we care about who profits? Jealous? Coveting? Revenge? If you hate profit stay away from Apple products and ride with Uber
How much did that big gasbag and carousel cost? What is that worth to you? Who profited there?
Emil Haddad and family escaped from Lebanon under fire, with the help of our own Rep Loretta Sanchez. They are now the biggest developer of former military bases in the state. Success! He wants to give back to thank the USA, and these bitter jerks oppose him?
Melissa Fox has it exactly right.
iacrenter
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http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/0...-near-5405-interchange-for-veterans-cemetery/
Veterans? cemetery will be near 5/405 interchange after Irvine votes to swap Great Park land for strawberry fields
By LOU PONSI | Orange County Register
PUBLISHED: June 6, 2017 at 9:05 pm | UPDATED: June 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
IRVINE ? After nearly three hours of public comments and debate, the Irvine City Council at a special meeting Tuesday, June 6, voted 3-2 to change the site originally designated for a veterans? cemetery.
Instead of moving forward with a 125-acre parcel in the Orange County Great Park for the cemetery at the former El Toro Marine base ? expected to cost $80 million ? the council will pursue a proposal from Aliso Viejo-based developer FivePoint for farmland the company owns near the I-5/I-405 interchange.
FivePoint will swap that land, currently a strawberry field, to build the cemetery at no cost to the city in exchange for the property from the first proposed cemetery site.
FivePoint has also offered to fund the first phase of cemetery construction.
?The Irvine council?s decision is a win-win-win for the city at-large, our communities, and most importantly, our veterans who deserve a special place to honor their own that is worthy of the service they have given this country,? FivePoint chairman and CEO Emile Haddad said in a written statement.
No details on the company?s plans for the land it acquires in the swap were given.
Mayor Don Wagner and council members Melissa Fox and Christina Shea voted in favor of the FivePoint proposal. Mayor Pro Tem Lynn Schott and Councilman Jeffrey Lalloway turned in the dissenting votes.
Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva, D-Fullerton, who co-authored the bill to establish a veterans? cemetery on the city-owned land, announced May 26 that the state would only contribute $30 million for the project.
That prompted Wagner and Fox to ask for Tuesday?s special meeting.
Irvine taxpayers would have to make up the $50 million difference, Wagner said.
?That?s not fair to our taxpayers and won?t get the veterans cemetery they deserve.?
Lalloway said there are too many unknowns in FivePoint?s proposal and there is no way to determine the actual costs to Irvine without more research.
?We?re just going to shove this down people?s throats without proper study,? Lalloway said. ?This is ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.?
Schott called the FivePoint proposal ?nothing more than a real estate business deal.?
?I think what we are seeing here is the giveaway of our Great Park and I?m not going to facilitate that,? Schott said.
The panel heard from about 50 speakers, with nearly an equal number expressing support and opposition to the FivePoint site.
Some said the process of selecting a site had become too political.
?Let?s set aside all the politics,? said Peter Katz, an Army veteran and member of the Orange County Memorial Park Committee.
?I favor the strawberry field,? Katz said. ?The costs are cheaper. The access is easier.?
Some veterans who addressed the council said they support either site.
?What I want to see is a cemetery for our veterans,? said James Torres, a disabled Vietnam veteran and past commander of the Disabled American Veterans Department of California. ?Whatever you decide, I will back you 100 percent.?
Fox addressed the speakers during the meeting.
?I appreciate all the passion in this room to support the veterans, no matter what your opinion is,? she said.
Veterans? cemetery will be near 5/405 interchange after Irvine votes to swap Great Park land for strawberry fields
By LOU PONSI | Orange County Register
PUBLISHED: June 6, 2017 at 9:05 pm | UPDATED: June 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
IRVINE ? After nearly three hours of public comments and debate, the Irvine City Council at a special meeting Tuesday, June 6, voted 3-2 to change the site originally designated for a veterans? cemetery.
Instead of moving forward with a 125-acre parcel in the Orange County Great Park for the cemetery at the former El Toro Marine base ? expected to cost $80 million ? the council will pursue a proposal from Aliso Viejo-based developer FivePoint for farmland the company owns near the I-5/I-405 interchange.
FivePoint will swap that land, currently a strawberry field, to build the cemetery at no cost to the city in exchange for the property from the first proposed cemetery site.
FivePoint has also offered to fund the first phase of cemetery construction.
?The Irvine council?s decision is a win-win-win for the city at-large, our communities, and most importantly, our veterans who deserve a special place to honor their own that is worthy of the service they have given this country,? FivePoint chairman and CEO Emile Haddad said in a written statement.
No details on the company?s plans for the land it acquires in the swap were given.
Mayor Don Wagner and council members Melissa Fox and Christina Shea voted in favor of the FivePoint proposal. Mayor Pro Tem Lynn Schott and Councilman Jeffrey Lalloway turned in the dissenting votes.
Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva, D-Fullerton, who co-authored the bill to establish a veterans? cemetery on the city-owned land, announced May 26 that the state would only contribute $30 million for the project.
That prompted Wagner and Fox to ask for Tuesday?s special meeting.
Irvine taxpayers would have to make up the $50 million difference, Wagner said.
?That?s not fair to our taxpayers and won?t get the veterans cemetery they deserve.?
Lalloway said there are too many unknowns in FivePoint?s proposal and there is no way to determine the actual costs to Irvine without more research.
?We?re just going to shove this down people?s throats without proper study,? Lalloway said. ?This is ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.?
Schott called the FivePoint proposal ?nothing more than a real estate business deal.?
?I think what we are seeing here is the giveaway of our Great Park and I?m not going to facilitate that,? Schott said.
The panel heard from about 50 speakers, with nearly an equal number expressing support and opposition to the FivePoint site.
Some said the process of selecting a site had become too political.
?Let?s set aside all the politics,? said Peter Katz, an Army veteran and member of the Orange County Memorial Park Committee.
?I favor the strawberry field,? Katz said. ?The costs are cheaper. The access is easier.?
Some veterans who addressed the council said they support either site.
?What I want to see is a cemetery for our veterans,? said James Torres, a disabled Vietnam veteran and past commander of the Disabled American Veterans Department of California. ?Whatever you decide, I will back you 100 percent.?
Fox addressed the speakers during the meeting.
?I appreciate all the passion in this room to support the veterans, no matter what your opinion is,? she said.
irvinehomeshopper
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Just like I said no cemetary will be at the Greatpark. It is plain and simple. Eastwood is almost sold out. The focus of future home sales is now at Portola Springs. Cemetary will be a hindrance to sell homes at Portola Springs. Political contribution stopped and here we are, a brand new chapter. Another IHS prediction came true!
irvinebullhousing
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irvinehomeshopper said:
Prediction or INSIDER knowledge? To me it doesn't makes a difference. Just pure logical, sounds planning, visionary thought of what to build and where to build it is the reason why IRVINE stood out. Putting it the original site conceptually at the very early beginning is meant to be a place holder. All current infrastructure planning in that area and have the cemetery built right in the heart of the GP is like placing a toilet right in front of the main entrance door. It does NOT makes any sense. The same goes for the temp homeless shelter, it does NOT makes sense. The same result will occur.
irvinehomeshopper
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Modjeska is a road that T into the cemetery. The new part of Portola Springs take access from this street. It's bad news to leave everyday and having to see the cemetery at the end of the street. The controversy of the cemetery was enough of distraction to deter Chinese buyers from the Great Park. It was a sales tactic used by all the sales people selling homes outside of the GreatPark. Money influenced politicians and kept the cemetery alive at the GreatPark. I knew the final burial place for the cemetery. I designed homes abut to the edge of the so called cemetery.