Trivia #37

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Trivia #36 ended with Cayci's escalator clips so I will transition from escalator to this trivia #37 a 2 part question.



Where would you find an escalator that does not travel in a straight line between floors?



Where would you find this famous midrise building where there is no escalator, no ramps, no stairs , no elevator between floors?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259077238]

Where would you find an escalator that does not travel in a straight line between floors?

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I've been on a curved escalator at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, this one:



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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259077238]

Where would you find this famous midrise building where there is no escalator, no ramps, no stairs , no elevator between floors?</blockquote>


This one I have no idea. It seems to me it must be built into a hill of some sort. It would have to have a separate entrance for each floor.
 
[quote author="joeyp" date=1259122275][quote author="bkshopr" date=1259077238]

Where would you find an escalator that does not travel in a straight line between floors?

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I've been on a curved escalator at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, this one:



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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259077238]

Where would you find this famous midrise building where there is no escalator, no ramps, no stairs , no elevator between floors?</blockquote>


This one I have no idea. It seems to me it must be built into a hill of some sort. It would have to have a separate entrance for each floor.</blockquote>


The one in Luxor is a straight line travel even though in a incline position.



Joey, Good find but that isn't the very first one. Similar concept but at a grander scale.



The other building is not bunkered into the hillside. It is on flat land with many levels above the street.



Both are in big cities.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259127713]

The one in Luxor is a straight line travel even though in a incline position.



Joey, Good find but that isn't the very first one. Similar concept but at a grander scale.



The other building is not bunkered into the hillside. It is on flat land with many levels above the street.



Both are in big cities.</blockquote>


I think I found the first one in the US using googlefu. At the Westfield San Francisco Centre mall.



I am puzzled by your building with no stairs, elevators, ramps or escalators. The only thing I can think of is the bat cave.



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Good job Joey.



BK's favorite urban indoor mall. Shopping mall formula has been successful with a single or 2 level solution. When a mall has more than 2 levels it is taking a very big risk even in a heavily populated city such as SF.



The LA Beverly center situated on the 5th and 6th level was a huge failure. No one wants to go up there to shop and the journey of getting there is a dreadful experience.



Nordstrom Market Street is inside a 6 story mall and the architect was clever to create an exciting escalator solution that made the journey up very fun. The atrium space is beautiful to look up and look down at the the wonderful Piranesi geometrical forms. Don't go there if you are afraid of height.



I knew you would get this one but the second 1/2 is super difficult.
 
[quote author="Cameray" date=1259167404]All the spirals tipped me off. ;-)</blockquote>
I thought of it too, and then I discarded it because technically... they are one long ramp.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1259188595][quote author="Cameray" date=1259167404]All the spirals tipped me off. ;-)</blockquote>
I thought of it too, and then I discarded it because technically... they are one long ramp.</blockquote>


Definition of ramp: 5% gradient. Anything less than that is not a ramp. FLW's Guggenheim is slight less than 5%.
 
[quote author="Cameray" date=1259162478]Guggenheim Museum?



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Sure am glad you figured that out. Last night I had a dream I was stuck on the 3rd floor of a building with no elevators, stairs, etc. I couldn't figure out how to get out of there. I'm leaving out of town for the weekend at noon. I was afraid I would spend all Thanksgiving weekend thinking about this.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259201185][quote author="Nude" date=1259188595][quote author="Cameray" date=1259167404]All the spirals tipped me off. ;-)</blockquote>
I thought of it too, and then I discarded it because technically... they are one long ramp.</blockquote>


Definition of ramp: 5% gradient. Anything less than that is not a ramp. FLW's Guggenheim is slight less than 5%.</blockquote>
Hey... I call cheats. If it looks like a ramp, smells like a ramp... it's a ramp.



The Guggs is awesome to look at though (we just sat on the benches and stared up)... and yes... the mall picture it totally reminiscent of it.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1259203042][quote author="bkshopr" date=1259201185][quote author="Nude" date=1259188595][quote author="Cameray" date=1259167404]All the spirals tipped me off. ;-)</blockquote>
I thought of it too, and then I discarded it because technically... they are one long ramp.</blockquote>


Definition of ramp: 5% gradient. Anything less than that is not a ramp. FLW's Guggenheim is slight less than 5%.</blockquote>
Hey... I call cheats. If it looks like a ramp, smells like a ramp... it's a ramp.



The Guggs is awesome to look at though (we just sat on the benches and stared up)... and yes... the mall picture it totally reminiscent of it.</blockquote>


Here is the excerpt from : <a href="http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:Ne4YFgfXVTsJ:www.access-board.gov/research/Ramps/report.htm+definition+of+ramp+gradient&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us">Access Board Final Report </a>

Definitions. The one criterion that comes as close to a nationally accepted standard is the definition of a ramp. Virtually all codes and standards define a ramp as having slope steeper than 1:20 except Washington which defines a ramp as any walking surface with a slope steeper than 1:48. (Although New Jersey specifically defines a ramp as having a slope equal to or greater than 1:20, this interpretation is implicit in all codes and standards.) Clearly, a ramp is walking surface with a slope greater than (and including) 1:20; whereas a walking surface with <strong>a slope less than 1:20 is a simply a pathway</strong>. In addition, ADAAG defines the term running slope as the slope that is parallel to the direction of travel. This clearly distinguishes between the slope of the ramp and cross slope (slope that is perpendicular to the path of travel).
 
The real mystery here is not the ramp definition. What were you doing in Guggenheim? Appreciation for art or just checking off a box on 1001 places you must visit before you die.
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1259204416]If you are splitting hair on ramp and pathway, I propose that the building has only one floor. :p</blockquote>


Euclidean Geometry defines that as one floor eventhough it appears 5 levels from the street.



Don't give TIC any idea here. They will call its McMansion a single story!
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259205309][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1259204416]If you are splitting hair on ramp and pathway, I propose that the building has only one floor. :p</blockquote>


Euclidean Geometry defines that as one floor eventhough it appears 5 levels from the street.



Do give TIC any idea here. They will call its McMansion a single story!</blockquote>


I should have guessed an Escher building:



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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1259204213]The real mystery here is not the ramp definition. What were you doing in Guggenheim? Appreciation for art or just checking off a box on 1001 places you must visit before you die.</blockquote>
You forget I took the family to New York a few months ago. That's why Graph stopped teasing me about going beyond the Orange Curtain... not only did I go to one of his favorite cities, but I took my two children on that cross-country plane trip... and walking on the NY streets at night and on the subway system. We also visited two other museums while we were there. The daughter can do a mean Picasso knock-off.



We didn't have enough time to do all the NY activities we wanted to (the Statue of Liberty line was ridiculously hot and sweaty but worth it... and the kids even did the climb of the last floors of the Empire State Building) but we'll be back there when it's a cooler climate... maybe TG/Christmas/NewYears 2010.
 
I will be in NY 4 days for the week of 17th in December. I will be tagging along during Mrs BK's business trip. I will likely do all the major museums when I am alone during the day.



Picasso was angry at women and his impression of them was what made him unique among his peers. Hope your daughter have a much different mental outlook.



Any other suggestions for a NY Holiday visit.
 
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