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<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/martinez-association-law-2365000-spirit-neighbors">Neighbors unhappy with Irvine homeless man's habits</a>



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A nuisance, scary, even a threat to public safety is what neighbors say about Edward Martinez, a Native American who calls himself Spirit.



Mr. Martinez sometimes makes a south Irvine retail center and open space in a nearby homeowners association his home. After my column about him last week, several residents e-mailed me, as did some of his family members.



"Is he skinny?" asked his daughter who says she speaks to him several times a week and worries he's not treating his diabetes.



Some neighbors are far less sympathetic. They accuse Martinez of everything from piling trash on association property to siphoning gas out of cars at night. It cost the association several hundred dollars to have a refuse company haul away Mr. Martinez' stash of trash.



eighborhood Watch leader Fran Lugo sends regular e-mail alerts about Martinez and says she spends a lot of time fielding calls and talking to neighbors about him.



The other night I saw Martinez playing with a soccer ball in the parking lot of the retail center. I didn't feel threatened by him (maybe because his mother's e-mail to me mentioned that "Spirit" likes me), but I clearly understand why neighbors want him gone.



Residents claim he sifts through garbage and recycling bins, uses the association pool and shower facilities and even circles his bike around people he does not like when they are out walking. They also complain that the police do nothing to help them.



Most residents I have spoken with are indifferent about him, although one woman, who lives directly adjacent to the patch of dirt where Martinez stores his trash and sometimes sleeps, does say she watches her children more closely when he is around.



Another resident, who happens to also be a law enforcement officer, helps to put things into perspective by explaining that there is a difference between the letter and spirit of the law concerning "private" association property Martinez frequents.



When you are driving 68 on the freeway, you expect the Highway Patrol to enforce the spirit of the law and give you a break, he explains. However, when you call the Irvine Police Department about a homeless man loitering in the greenbelt, you want the police to enforce the letter of the law.</blockquote>
 
How much trash did he have that it cost several hundred dollars to haul it away? I live in Woodbury and have never seen him or haven't noticed. I have never seen a homeless man on a bike I guess. The part about him circling his bike around people he doesn't like is freaky. And stupid. That's the kind of thing that gets you in trouble...and in the Register I guess.
 
That's weird. He didn't appear Native American to me. Maybe we have two hobos in this city. Next time I see him, I will call out, "Spirit!" and see if he responds. If he doesn't, I risk looking odd... or being circled by a bike.
 
I wrote about Northpark vs Woodbury 2 years ago. I made predictions about the perimeter edges of Woodbury. The current hobo incidents were my concern when I described the community being too "vulnerable". At that time readers and buildrs thought my comments were exaggerated and not supported.



Get a black light and shine it on the house walls adjacent to open space and you will be surprised. The surrounding is ideal for hobos' survival.



I am not trying to stir up tension but look the facts: Hobo(s) habitat and murdered Chinese across the street in White Lexus.
 
I saw someone similar to the description sitting at the bike rack outside McDonalds. There were two Irvine PD just standing around, doing mostly nothing, right next to him. Maybe that was him?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1239936334]... murdered Chinese across the street in White Lexus.</blockquote>


That wasn't in/near woodbury
 
[quote author="halfnote19" date=1239937532][quote author="bkshopr" date=1239936334]... murdered Chinese across the street in White Lexus.</blockquote>


That wasn't in/near woodbury</blockquote>


It was at the Trabuco Grove Shopping Center which is at the corner of Jeffrey & Trabuco - same intersection that defines the south-western border of the Woodbury community. The JOST is in the NE corner of the intersection and the shopping center is in the SW corner of the same intersection. ("North" not being true north, but north if you're holding a map rotated so that Jeffrey runs North/South.)
 
We saw the homeless man once on the JOST while taking one of our routine walks. It was that same day that my wife commented on the excess stone veneer work on some of the homes on Grassland. Saying something about how it looks like the face of a teen breaking out. After seeing the man, and trying to get the oily face out of my mind; I just felt itchy!



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[quote author="SoCal78" date=1239940574]^ This is the one of the only times I've wished I had the power to delete something. Save our stomachs, please!</blockquote>


As you wish SoCal, sorry...
 
[quote author="roundcorners" date=1239940883][quote author="SoCal78" date=1239940574]^ This is the one of the only times I've wished I had the power to delete something. Save our stomachs, please!</blockquote>


As you wish SoCal, sorry...</blockquote>


No, I meant the pictures of the McMansions. ;-)

Kidding.



Thanks! I owe you one.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1239936334]I wrote about Northpark vs Woodbury 2 years ago. I made predictions about the perimeter edges of Woodbury. The current hobo incidents were my concern when I described the community being too "vulnerable". At that time readers and buildrs thought my comments were exaggerated and not supported. Get a black light and shine it on the house walls adjacent to open space and you will be surprised. The surrounding is ideal for hobos' survival.



I am not trying to stir up tension but the facts speak for themslves: Hobo(s) and murdered Chinese across the street in White Lexus.</blockquote>


I thought your theory was that the Chinese mafia killed the TriVillage employee. Are you saying you think its the Open Space Hobo now? Also Isn't Tri-Village closer to Northpark than to Woodbury. I might be mixing up my Northxxx neighborhoods.

EDIT: I guess that is Northwood not Northpark.



I still think the Open Space homeless hysteria is exaggerated. I'm not really a gated neighborhood fan though. I am assuming that is why Woodbury is more vulnerable in your opinion because there are no gates? Or is it a feng shui thing?



I hope that didn't sound snarky. I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.
 
I reread your "Why is Woodbury a bad sequel to Northpark?" essay Bk so I understand your reservations about Woodbury better. I still greatly prefer Woodbury personally... but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't buy in either neighborhood either.



I don't walk through the JOST at night alone but I do walk to the gym at night a lot through Woodbury and not a day goes by that I don't see one of our neighborhood security guys driving by. I feel as safe in Woodbury as I ever have anywhere else I've lived.
 
Both neighborhoods are safe except for the neighborhood strip malls.



An employee decapitated the manager's head at the Northpark Albertson with a samurai sword several years ago. Ms. BK shopped at that Albertson and her purse was lifted twice from the shopping cart next to her while she was loading groceries into the trunk. There is a team of thieves working the upscale strip mall in Irvine. Northpark, Trabuco, Woodbury, Quail Hills and etc.



Petty crimes were never reported so the public think the strip malls are safe. Handbag was stolen from her along with her phones, Mont Blanc, credit cards and other gift cards. It was a pain to replace her Driver license. The Birkin Bag was pricey.



Cars were vandalized also at several separate incidences at our Irvine neighborhood. Thieves target Irvine because they know owners let their guard down and the residents have nice things stored in their cars. The city would shield their petty crime statistic to protect Irvine's good status. The public will never know until they become a victim like us.



We now lived in Floral Park for 3 years and Mrs BK still have her bag and no vandalism to our cars. (Touch wood)
 
I think the Albertson's employee was an isolated case. He was my bag boy / trunk-loader from approx. 1999-2002. He was very nutty. I do believe the upscale shopping centers are target for professional thieves, though. Quail Hill seems like an excellent target - upscale and right off the freeway.
 
I guess they leave me alone because I don't have a birkin bag or even a cheap LV ;)

Sorry your family was victimized BK. I'm a little worried going forward about that since we are probably moving to SJC near the mission.
 
I was a regular customer of the Northpark Samurai Albertson bagger from 2000 until his untimely demise. He had a sense of humor, I discovered one day. I was checking out with one 22oz can of Steel Reserve and without asking me, he started to put it in a brown paper bag. I told him I preferred plastic but he said, "come on, you can't drink this out of a plastic bag."



The Northpark samurai and the Egyptian slave girl, and the Woodbridge buried weapons cache were the most memorable Irvine events the last time I lived in Irvine (1999-2004).
 
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