Stainless steel pots and pan care

momopi_IHB

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I bought some Calphalon stainless steel pots and pans and noticed something odd.



When I clean the frying pan, sometimes I use a little bar keeper's friend. The instructions say do not use abrasive cleaning pads, so I used wet paper towel. But after a while I noticed a lot of scratch marks?



After cleaning the pan, scrubbing with soft pad & dish detergent, rise clean, etc., I put a little veggie oil in the pan and wipe it with clean paper towel. The paper towel turns black after wiping. Is this normal?? I thought that only happen with aluminum?



Calphalon advertises their stainless steel pots and pans have aluminum core. I thought this means aluminum on bottom and steel on top. Um... did they just apply a very thin layer of stainless steel coating for looks??
 
That's tough, Momo. Sorry. It sounds like you have their Tri-Ply cookware. Oddly, they say it is 100% dishwasher safe so it can withstand that harsh cleanser and all the utensils used to cook with s/s cookware yet it says not to use abrasives? Huh. Well Bar Keeper's Friend does contain a mild abrasive. Does it look like a coating has come off and you can see aluminum on the pan? Does the box say if it's 18/10 s/s? I would assume it is.
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1249178091]That's tough, Momo. Sorry. It sounds like you have their Tri-Ply cookware. Oddly, they say it is 100% dishwasher safe so it can withstand that harsh cleanser and all the utensils used to cook with s/s cookware yet it says not to use abrasives? Huh. Well Bar Keeper's Friend does contain a mild abrasive. Does it look like a coating has come off and you can see aluminum on the pan? Does the box say if it's 18/10 s/s? I would assume it is.</blockquote>


I just can't believe the stainless steel layer would come off that easily. X_X Am uncertain if it's some top coating that came off or it's the actual stainless steel layer. Will need to call their customer service on Monday to ask. They offer 10 year warranty but the cost of shipping + chance of rejection might not be worth it. I could just pick up another one at Macy's on sale + coupons later. But if the pan is THIS fragile, I think I might be better off buying something else.



I need pots and pans that can withstand dishwasher and abrasive cleaners & pads. Went to Chef's Toys in Costa Mesa and saw some cast-aluminum products, but am uncertain about the health issues related to aluminum.
 
Well, speaking of a cast-alloy pan and health issues... can I just say my most favorite skillet ever is just an old-fashioned <a href="http://www.lodgemfg.com/">Lodge</a> cast iron skillet? You probably already have one but if you don't - go get one!



A long time ago, I decided I was going to spend about $200 on a fancy anodized pan that could go from the burner to the oven. I am so glad I did not. The cast iron skillet is the best thing ever. Great for frying, of course but also very versatile for sauteing, braising, even baking (I've made bread in it), has great heat retention, and I've had no problems with sticking since I bought one pre-seasoned and take care of it. I have actually had health BENEFITS to using it. I used to have anemia (iron deficiency) and found this was a great way to infuse some iron into the food. The only thing I don't like using it for are tomato-based dishes since it tends to be acidic and sort of parches out the seasoned layer, same with sauces that contain milk. If you're going to make those, just rinse it out as soon as you're done.



The best part is an 8" chef's skillet will only run you about ten bucks and larger pans only slightly more. These are pans known to last years -- generations, actually.
 
Maybe it's some chemical reaction to make the black stuff? I have a cheap rice cooker, tried making some Chinese bread in it via steaming, and the baking soda on the bread put a black coating on my aluminum pot. After cooking rice in it several times though, the black went away (and the rice didn't end up being black).
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1249256113]Well, speaking of a cast-alloy pan and health issues... can I just say my most favorite skillet ever is just an old-fashioned <a href="http://www.lodgemfg.com/">Lodge</a> cast iron skillet? You probably already have one but if you don't - go get one!



A long time ago, I decided I was going to spend about $200 on a fancy anodized pan that could go from the burner to the oven. I am so glad I did not. The cast iron skillet is the best thing ever. Great for frying, of course but also very versatile for sauteing, braising, even baking (I've made bread in it), has great heat retention, and I've had no problems with sticking since I bought one pre-seasoned and take care of it. I have actually had health BENEFITS to using it. I used to have anemia (iron deficiency) and found this was a great way to infuse some iron into the food. The only thing I don't like using it for are tomato-based dishes since it tends to be acidic and sort of parches out the seasoned layer, same with sauces that contain milk. If you're going to make those, just rinse it out as soon as you're done.



The best part is an 8" chef's skillet will only run you about ten bucks and larger pans only slightly more. These are pans known to last years -- generations, actually.</blockquote>


Thank you for the recommendation on the Lodge skillet. I went to Chef's Toys in Costa Mesa and picked up a 10" for $22, plus a little pot holder mitt for $1.32 and Lodge cast iron scrubber brush for $5.25. Much cheaper than the stainless steel stuff!



I like the fact that it has a "short' handle. For a 10" pan, the whole thing will fit in my sink nicely for a scrubbing. I may return and get the 8" later.



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p.s. something else I learned today from Lodge's web site: you could re-season the pots and pans yourself in the oven! :D
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1249178091]That's tough, Momo. Sorry. It sounds like you have their Tri-Ply cookware. Oddly, they say it is 100% dishwasher safe so it can withstand that harsh cleanser and all the utensils used to cook with s/s cookware yet it says not to use abrasives? Huh. Well Bar Keeper's Friend does contain a mild abrasive. Does it look like a coating has come off and you can see aluminum on the pan? Does the box say if it's 18/10 s/s? I would assume it is.</blockquote>


I called the company and spoke to their customer service, they say there's no way that I could scratch down to the aluminum layer with kitchen scrubbing pads and bar keeper's. The stainless steel will scratch from abrasives and he recommends using "blue" colored scotch pads instead of bar keeper's + sponge. The dark colors on paper towel from cleaning is from oxidation.



Just in case, I spoke with the folks at Chef's Toys in Costa Mesa, they confirmed that there's no way I could "scratch" through stainless steel on it, and the dark gray colors is either from oxidation or fine stainless steel particles, which occurs on any stainless steel cookware.



I think I just need to get some small cheap pans for reduction sauces, instead of staining the more expensive larger pans.
 
[quote author="CougBear" date=1249353172]Are the small cheap pans worth it? It seems like that's what they use in most restaurants, no?</blockquote>


I think many restaurants just have a stockpile of 8" aluminum pans. They heat up quickly and are cheap enough to toss when it's too ugly. To get rid of stains I heard you could just put ketchup over it and leave it overnight.



Personally, I'm trying to avoid using aluminum and non-stick cookware...
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1249353122][quote author="SoCal78" date=1249178091]That's tough, Momo. Sorry. It sounds like you have their Tri-Ply cookware. Oddly, they say it is 100% dishwasher safe so it can withstand that harsh cleanser and all the utensils used to cook with s/s cookware yet it says not to use abrasives? Huh. Well Bar Keeper's Friend does contain a mild abrasive. Does it look like a coating has come off and you can see aluminum on the pan? Does the box say if it's 18/10 s/s? I would assume it is.</blockquote>


I called the company and spoke to their customer service, they say there's no way that I could scratch down to the aluminum layer with kitchen scrubbing pads and bar keeper's. The stainless steel will scratch from abrasives and he recommends using "blue" colored scotch pads instead of bar keeper's + sponge. The dark colors on paper towel from cleaning is from oxidation.



Just in case, I spoke with the folks at Chef's Toys in Costa Mesa, they confirmed that there's no way I could "scratch" through stainless steel on it, and the dark gray colors is either from oxidation or fine stainless steel particles, which occurs on any stainless steel cookware.



I think I just need to get some small cheap pans for reduction sauces, instead of staining the more expensive larger pans.</blockquote>


When you use Bar Keeper's Friend you are polishing the stainless steel (similar to a lapping compound but much finer) and taking off a tiny amount of the surface (microns at a time). You end up with "dust" that will be dark gray in color and very fine. Your best bet is to wash the residue off once you are done - paper towel should come off clean. Don't worry about going through the stainless and reaching the aluminum core from all the polishing (which is not healthy to cook with) - you'd have to polish an eternity to get there.



Seasoning your pan with oil is not going to do much at all. That's more fore building up a nice patina like with a cast iron pan. The best use of a stainless steel frying pan is if you are going to end up deglazing it at some point - or for messy things. In order for food not to stick, you have to get it to form a brittle crust on points of contact. Timing is the key. Once you cooked your meat (or whatever) you can deglaze with your liquid of choice.
 
About those cast iron pans - be sure to build up the patina. Some people fine it kind of gross, but you need to keep the oils on the pan. You don't want to use a lot of soap and get rid of the oil build-up when you wash it. There are several tips online on how to clean these pans without removing the oil coating.



You can easily season it in the oven - but the best results come from repeated use.



You also get a nice work out from using these heavy pans ... :p
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1249352169]

Thank you for the recommendation on the Lodge skillet. I went to Chef's Toys in Costa Mesa and picked up a 10" for $22, plus a little pot holder mitt for $1.32 and Lodge cast iron scrubber brush for $5.25. Much cheaper than the stainless steel stuff!



I like the fact that it has a "short' handle. For a 10" pan, the whole thing will fit in my sink nicely for a scrubbing. I may return and get the 8" later.



p.s. something else I learned today from Lodge's web site: you could re-season the pots and pans yourself in the oven! :D</blockquote>


Woohoo! You got a cast iron pan. Congratulations! You are on your way now. :cheese:



I made a mistake. The chef's skillet is 10", not 8". The main reason I like it is because it's the only full-cast Lodge skillet with sloped sides so food slides out easy and when you're using a whisk, it's also much easier to use with this pan. This is my main pan that I use constantly. When I'm done, I just rinse it with hot water, use a stiff brush, then fire it up on the stove top to let the water evaporate, and finally I rub a little vegetable oil on it then let it cool down. It is ready to go. Remember -- do not use soap!



Oh, yes, you are right- you can absolutely re-season these yourself. In fact, they weren't always sold pre-seasoned. Cast iron skillets used to be sold without anything done to them. (Some companies in old times began a tinning process where tin was applied to the exterior to prevent iron from leaching into the food but I don't believe Lodge was one of those companies.) In the old days, people would rub their skillet down with rendered lard or a shortening that could withstand higher temps, then put the skillet upside down in the oven at a high temp for a period of time (with a tray beneath to catch the grease.) Previously, it would take years to get the pan seasoned well. A well-seasoned skillet would be passed down to future generations. If you go to antique shops, you can often find cast iron skillets among the collection. If you're ever thinking of buying an antique one, check for rust. If moisture is left to sit on the pan, it can cause this. But because the pans are so durable, I have heard of people actually using a power sander to grind off rust, re-season, and you're good to go. The other thing to be careful of it cold water. Never fill a hot cast iron skillet with cold water. When you're adding water to the pan, do so a little at a time if the water is cold. If not, you risk thermal shock which could potentially crack the pan. I've never had it happen but it could. Also, needless to say, don't put it in the dishwasher.



They recommend your first few uses be to cook fatty foods in your new skillet. Try bacon, sausage, or something greasy the first time around... not a pancake right away.



Pardon the drivel. I'm as obsessed with cast iron cookware as I am with housing. LOL



Here is my collection so far:



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10" Chef's Skillet

This is the one I never put away. It is my main do-all pan. There are three things I like about this skillet: the sloped sides, the side pour spouts, and the helper-handle. I also like its size because it has more room than an 8" but not as heavy as the 12". It is easy to lift even without using the helper handle so it is no problem taking it out from a hot oven with one hand.



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12" skillet

I use this when cooking larger quantities. Because of its size, it is heavy. The helper-handle is great.



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10-1/2" Square Grill Pan

I use this primarily for steaks but do chicken and fish as well. It sears grill marks which looks great. I sometimes use this for fresh asparagus too since it allows you to drizzle with olive oil without them bathing in it.



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Cornstick Pan, 9 sticks

These come in 5, 7, or 9 sticks. They make the cornbread into cute sticks, and because this is cast iron - they come out crunchy on the outside and soft on the inside. I do not recommend getting anything smaller than the 9, else you will spending all day in the kitchen refilling it with your batter. Even the 9-stick doesn't hold much. I like their cactus pan too and you can find other fun bakeware <a href="http://www.lodgemfg.com/Logic-bakeware.asp">here</a>. Although, these days, for baking - I prefer stoneware. It has many of the same qualities as cast iron.



One day I'd love to get a dutch oven. You can use them in your oven or take them camping, surround them with hot coals, and cook an entire meal. They also sell tripods for these. It is like chuck-wagon cooking. Interestingly, besides the regular retail avenues you'd expect to see cookware sold - they are also often carried at hardware stores such as Ace.



With cast iron, you never have to worry about scorching, peeling, warping or otherwise hurting the pan and you don't have to worry about what you kind of non-stick chems you're putting into your body. They also make great household weapons. One smack to the head would easily take a man down. ;-) Try that with a Teflon pan.
 
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(Around the 4:30 mark, you'll notice what the pans look like before the seasoning process begins. This is what the pans in the antique shops resemble. They are silver in color, not black. That's how they were originally sold.)



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Wow, SoCal, you've sold me. I didn't realize you had such a wide variety of knowledge. I'm so sick of my Calphalon non-stick cookware, it seems like I throw one away every year, I guess I'll be replacing them with these. I've always worried about sticking, especially for things like over-easy eggs.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249365491]Wow, SoCal, you've sold me. I didn't realize you had such a wide variety of knowledge. I'm so sick of my Calphalon non-stick cookware, it seems like I throw one away every year, I guess I'll be replacing them with these. I've always worried about sticking, especially for things like over-easy eggs.</blockquote>


I've used a Calphalon Commercial nonstick pan for a while and it works great when making eggs. Just make sure the pan is very clean and not too hot - non-stick seems to do better at slightly lower temperatures. Also, if you like using PAM or some other cooking oil spray, you may have a residue of burnt oil on it that is making your pan suck.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249365491]Wow, SoCal, you've sold me. I didn't realize you had such a wide variety of knowledge. I'm so sick of my Calphalon non-stick cookware, it seems like I throw one away every year, I guess I'll be replacing them with these. I've always worried about sticking, especially for things like over-easy eggs.</blockquote>


I had one brand? of non-stick pan, used it every day for about 8 years before finally replacing it. Tried a Cephalon non-stick pan as a replacement which didn't last a year. Got an Emeril 5 QT All Clad no stick instead, it is working great so far (had it less than a year, but no chipping yet. Some gouges, but I am rather hard on the pan with utensils cooking up a fury instead of thinking about keeping the pan nice).



Cast iron is very durable, but it is heavy on the wrists (esp when you have an extra large pan and it is full of meat & broth/sauce). Cast iron is not as good on the cheap IAC gas stove either - I prefer the aluminum core which conducts heat better than iron - I can fry bacon or meatballs in my aluminum core Emeril non stick pan and the ones on the edges come out pretty good considering how far they are from the heat of the tiny gas burner - I can cook the ones in the middle and the edges in the same amount of time mostly. It is also nice having a stay cool handle so you don't need gloves to lift the pan. Trying to lift a giant cast iron pan full of meatballs and sauce, with awkward heavy gloves, and not spill anything is no fun!



Also, only people who actually take care of their pots should have cast iron I think (ex. will clean it promptly and season as needed). I cook a lot but am lazy on the clean up (very lazy - let the pan soak all night sort of lazy which is death to cast iron). Stainless steel is good for super lazy people who let the pan soak overnight, sort of scrub it a bit, and chuck it in the dishwasher.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249365491]Wow, SoCal, you've sold me. I didn't realize you had such a wide variety of knowledge. I'm so sick of my Calphalon non-stick cookware, it seems like I throw one away every year, I guess I'll be replacing them with these. I've always worried about sticking, especially for things like over-easy eggs.</blockquote>


They're so affordable, you've got nothing to lose. (Lodge does not spend millions on advertising like other big names, so it keeps costs down. Your money is not being spent on commercials or pretty packaging. They've been making these pans since 1896. )



A well-seasoned pan will have a surface as slick as any non-stick coated pan.



For your eggs over easy, heat the pan and test with droplets of water. If they pop, it is too hot. If they sizzle, you are good. These pans take longer to heat up and cool down so you will need to give it extra time after adjusting the temperature. Add some butter to the pan. People gripe about adding butter but we all add that, oil, or sprays to the non-stick pans anyway. Imho, the benefit of non-stick pans really only comes at clean-up time and not so much during cooking. When you are done cooking the egg, you will want to remove it from the skillet. They are very good at retaining heat and may continue cooking the egg / over-cooking the yolk after the burner has been turned off.



I do have two teflon pieces in my arsenal that I use sometimes (and a lot that I never use. I have a ton of pans.) One small (8", I think) skillet that I keep around only to make crepes. It will work on the cast iron skillet but they are more pliable when made in the "non-stick" pan, and they do have to be pliable so they can be filled and rolled. I also keep one deep 12" pan that I use when making a dish where dry pasta is added and cooked inside the pan. Because of the cast iron's heat retention, I find that the pasta on the bottom and sides of the skillet will become over-cooked so the non-stick does the job there. Everything else is made in cast iron or stoneware.



Those of you who are Asian may appreciate that cast iron cooking has a long history in your culture too. As I understand it, pieces dating back to the 12th & 13th centuries have been found in places like China, Japan, and Korea.



<a href="http://www.lodgemfg.com/news-top-ten-stories.asp"><strong>New York Times ? Mark Bittman ? December 7, 2005</strong></a>

<em>?As cookware becomes more expensive and the kinds available become more varied, it?s increasingly clear to me that most ?new? pots and pans are about marketing. For most tasks, old-style cookware is best. So these days when I?m asked for a recommendation, I reply with an old-fashioned answer: cast iron.?</em>
 
(Again, I apologize for the information overload. I just get super excited about these and have a weird passion for cast iron. I'm sorry, Momo & all for hijacking the Calphalon thread. Back to you, Momo!)
 
I'm not a fan of Calphalon at all. I've found their products to be of a poor quality. I mostly use All Clad stainless pans with a couple of Lodge and Le Creuset cast iron pieces.



For reductions check out All Clad's 1qt stainless saucier. It is a mighty fine pan.
 
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