Stadium Lofts

My partner and I dropped by Stadium Lofts to take a look after our next door neighbor raved about them. Like many developments, they were good designs for somebody who wanted a certain kind of lifestyle but they were ridiculously overpriced.



The complex feels like an ultra-deluxe apartment complex. The units are small for families, with the largest being a 2/2 at 1082 sq. ft. This is partially made up for by a lot of public space - multiple courtyards, party areas, a conference room, a nice pool, a gym, and a game room. If you're the sociable sort, the public space is about equivalent to a patio and living room although with more variety. For a single or small family it would be quite nice. The location on Katella and State College has a lot of street noise but they cleverly cover that up with fountains in all the courtyards and so you don't hear it at all. The "loft" name is not really accurate - there are very few loft units, and they carry a huge premium. Apart from the lofts, all the units are single floor.



The complex is currently mixed-use but the Subway, Kelly's coffee, and Jamba Juice were DEAD. Dead, dead dead. It would be really difficult for the 400 units to support that retail IMO so although I would really like having such business in a complex I lived in I doubt they will live to be enjoyed. There's another complex going up next door and perhaps that will provide enough of a customer base to keep the retail going.



Parking is well-thought out with the resident parking separated from visitor/retail parking by a gate and reserved spots for the residents. You park on the same level as your condo so no stairs (Yeah!) The area is walking distance to Anaheim Stadium and a train station so residents aren't constantly dependent on cars. You'd have to drive for groceries though. There is supposed to be a highrise/park complex across the street which would make for a very functional neighborhood but the current housing market has put the kibosh on that and who knows when or even if it will be built.



The prices, however, are ludicrous, even after the 20% price cut. The units are $350-$450/sq. ft., plus a $230-255 association fee and a 0.5% special tax assessment (total 1.6%). Owner-occupied rental equivalence for the 2 bedrooms is about $3,000/month! Sorry, this ain't Manhattan.



Marketing is mixed. The models were nicely decorated, some even in the latest blue-and-brown fashion. The salesguy was nice and not too pushy but didn't know a lot of things he should have, like price ranges, square footages, and which units were available. He also spent a depressing amount of time talking about how some options like an extra storage unit would help you make more money when you sold the place and how those highrises across the street will increase the property values once they get built. Are there really so many clueless knifecatchers or has the marketing not yet caught up?



So, another nice place to live - once they cut the price in half.
 
I toured this complex back when it first opened in early '07. You should have heard the tour hostess gush about the high rises and all the fabulous new stores, restaurants, bars and clubs that would be opening nearby within two years! If the hostess weren't so botoxed, she almost might have shown emotion as she excitedly told me about the bright future coming to the Platinum Triangle just beyond the front door of Stadium Lofts.



Sometimes when I drive by this abandoned complex in the middle of the vacant lots still owned by Lennar I wonder if that same hostess is still working there. And if she can still afford the botox.
 
I like the complex down on Orangewood and State College you can see from the I-5. I see that they haven't finished laying the roof tiles and work has remained idle for (by my watch) for what, is six months wrong?



A blighted industrial area replaced by a blighted abandoned construcion site.
 
That 250 unit complex near Orangewood is owned by KBHome, and was once touted on the KBHome website as "Anavia". However, it is no longer mentioned on the KBHome website at all. You can still find mention of it with some descriptions and sketches of the finished project on the city of Anaheim's civic website under the Platinum Triangle planning page in "Project Status" links.http://anaheim.net/article.asp?id=1161



And the roof tiles have been sitting up there in those neat piles since at least Easter. I agree with you no_vaseline, it's been about six months since work stopped entirely on the project. I remember thinking in May that the roof tiles had been sitting up there for about two months with no one seeming to care.



Now I wonder if they'll finish roofing the structure before the rains arrive in November or December.
 
[quote author="MightyAlweg" date=1222673828]That 250 unit complex near Orangewood is owned by KBHome, and was once touted on the KBHome website as "Anavia". However, it is no longer mentioned on the KBHome website at all. You can still find mention of it with some descriptions and sketches of the finished project on the city of Anaheim's civic website under the Platinum Triangle planning page in "Project Status" links.http://anaheim.net/article.asp?id=1161



And the roof tiles have been sitting up there in those neat piles since at least Easter. I agree with you no_vaseline, it's been about six months since work stopped entirely on the project. I remember thinking in May that the roof tiles had been sitting up there for about two months with no one seeming to care.



Now I wonder if they'll finish roofing the structure before the rains arrive in November or December.</blockquote>


I don't know who to book that action with, but my guess will be 'no'.



This has been cited here before by Graphrix, but it's worth a revisit on what the "future" will look like in a couple of years, like that future of 1984 (the real one 24 years ago, not the book) via Ben Stien's eyes!



<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E3D71538F93BA35751C1A962948260">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E3D71538F93BA35751C1A962948260</a>



<blockquote><strong>THE DAY LOS ANGELES'S BUBBLE BURST



By BENJAMIN STEIN ; BENJAMIN STEIN'S LATEST BOOK IS ''FINANCIAL PASSAGES.'' </strong>

Published: <em>December 8, 1984</em>

My pal Jerry P. just bought a condominium in Century City, in Beverly Hills, for 60 percent of what it sold for in 1980. Down the street from me here in the Hollywood hills, four houses have been on the market since 1981. The asking prices now are about one-third less than they were three years ago. Up and down Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood, apartment houses that were converted to condos lie empty, boarded up, not one unit sold, in bankruptcy, with banks holding title. </blockquote>
 
Just a quick update on stadium lofts.

I remembered reading about these apartments on IHB last year, and so when I drove by it this weekend I stopped in.

The place was really nice looking, and there was only 1 other group of people besides me in the sales office.



I told the sales lady I was looking for 2 bedroom apartments, and she showed me 3 models. They all seemed kinda small at around 1100 sqft, but they were nice enough.



I asked the sales lady about the empty lot Lennar had bought across Katella, and she said the construction is delayed due to economy.



One thing I found strange was that they are currently having a Spring sale where they are releasing 60 apartments for sale. After the spring sale, they are doing a summer sale which they are releasing an additional 60 apartments that were not on sale in the Spring.



I just found it strange they didn't put everything on sale at one time. The whole place is finished but is pretty empty.
 
[quote author="MightyAlweg" date=1222619283]I toured this complex back when it first opened in early '07. You should have heard the tour hostess gush about the high rises and all the fabulous new stores, restaurants, bars and clubs that would be opening nearby within two years! If the hostess weren't so botoxed, she almost might have shown emotion as she excitedly told me about the bright future coming to the Platinum Triangle just beyond the front door of Stadium Lofts.



Sometimes when I drive by this abandoned complex in the middle of the vacant lots still owned by Lennar I wonder if that same hostess is still working there. And if she can still afford the botox.</blockquote>


Wow, quite shallow comments. I wonder if she would have just had left her wrinkles if you would have complained about that too.
 
[quote author="norcaljeff" date=1235560045] Wow, quite shallow comments. I wonder if she would have just had left her wrinkles if you would have complained about that too.</blockquote>


Don't be silly. Any Sales Center Hostess in OC who is worth her leased BMW wouldn't dare have wrinkles. Or emotions.



I only make fun of the ones whose faces are incapable of showing hurt feelings. Or, in the absence of a recent Botox treatment, the ones who are trying to sell shoeboxes with a view of a greasy Denny's for $450,000. In other words, the gals passing out brochures and sales price lists at Stadium Lofts on Katella.
 
I heard on KROQ today they are having some contest where if you win, you get a year of living in the Stadium lofts. Sounds like they need someone there to turn the lights on.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1235575502]I heard on KROQ today they are having some contest where if you win, you get a year of living in the Stadium lofts. Sounds like they need someone there to turn the lights on.</blockquote>
I might be interested if they pick up the electric bill.
 
[quote author="zubs" date=1235572635]They're selling in the high 200's and low 300's now according to my price list.</blockquote>


I stand corrected. These botoxed sales hostesses are passing out brochures for shoeboxes with a view of a greasy Denny's selling for <strong>$300,000</strong> now.



Somehow, I don't think they still have much business.
 
[quote author="Future Buyer" date=1235822558]These prices have come down a lot from when I first went there. What do you guys think of "the event" prices.</blockquote>


I didn't know they were having another "Event" at Stadium Lofts. But I just met friends for dinnner at Downtown Disney and made a point of driving back to the freeway on Katella, and sure enough you are right! They've got big tacky banners hanging off of a dozen or so of the units they are going to try and sell at their next "The Event" sales frenzy.



This time they've got two prices on the banners, the one the unit supposedly originally sold for in '06 and the one the unit is selling for at The Event. Big discounts, but still not big enough. A few sales prices I remember seeing from the balconies facing Katella as I sat at the stoplight were; <strong>WAS $539,000, NOW $289,000</strong> and <strong>WAS $489,000, NOW $237,000</strong>. There were more signs hanging on the State College side of the building, but I didn't catch any prices.



These prices seem a bit lower than the last "Event" they had in the fall. I wonder what those suckers feel like seeing the cheaper prices hanging from a bunch of balconies? Let alone the few suckers who actually bought a place here at full price in '07. Still, on a Saturday night at 9:45PM it seems as if only 10% of these units had lights on. The place looks nearly abandoned.



The view from these Stadium Lofts condos is improving though, because the Lennar A Town property across the street is filling in nicely. After the second winter of rains the natrual ecosystem is returning quickly with small trees and lots of sagebrush growing in all over that abandoned and graded piece of land.
 
[quote author="MightyAlweg" date=1235917905][quote author="Future Buyer" date=1235822558]



The view from these Stadium Lofts condos is improving though, because the Lennar A Town property across the street is filling in nicely. After the second winter of rains the natrual ecosystem is returning quickly with small trees and lots of sagebrush growing in all over that abandoned and graded piece of land.</blockquote>


Classic
 
Check out page 11 in the OC Register today (main section). Full page ad for the Stadium Lofts with the title:



"Final Week to Tour & Pre-qualify. Up to 250k off!"



Then they have at least 50 units listed there. Something tells me this won't be the final week.



edit: <a href="http://www.stadiumloftsnow.com/pdf/01SL-0902-206_Event_Price_Sheet.pdf">Link of Listings</a>
 
The saleslady told me they are only releasing 1 block of units for sale. There is a 2nd block of units slated for a Summer sale.

The 2nd block is not part of the spring price list.
 
[quote author="zubs" date=1237861118]The saleslady told me they are only releasing 1 block of units for sale. There is a 2nd block of units slated for a Summer sale.

The 2nd block is not part of the spring price list.</blockquote>


Trying to reel in another batch of knifecatchers... I remember walking by the night before their last "event" when those suckers were all camped out. I talked to a few of the couples.. I asked them why they would buy now when house prices are dropping like mad...They said it was a good deal.



Nothing like a blowout sale to get the frenzy going!



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I checked them out last week. I can see how a young couple would be enticed into this. A 2bd/2bath for $289,000 and they are offering to pay closing costs and 2 yrs HOA. Then with the 10,000 state tax credit and 8,000 federal credit. Too bad the property tax is 1.65% and HOA's are around $250 and likely to increase.
 
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