Loco_local
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Whether it's illegal or not, don't you think Trump's coziness with Russia is strange?
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jmoney74
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Loco_local said:
For me.. it's like.. what's the big deal? Maybe he wants them to be good allies to the US.. There probably is some benefit business wise?
morekaos
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Yummy...that was a delicious nothing burger. Satisfying to some but unfulfilling to many. Turns out eating air only makes you burp.....
Don Jr.'s Russia meeting wasn't collusion ? just amateur hour
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 07/11/17 12:30 PM EDT
Washington began its week again with its collective Rorschach test: another Russian-related meeting that was immediately declared to be the ?smoking gun? of criminal collusion or even ?treason.? In the 1960s when Swiss psychologist Hermann Rorschach created his projective test, he found that people could reveal their motivations and perceptions in describing what they saw in amorphous inkblots.
While the participants have said that the meeting lasted only about 20 minutes and that the lawyer offered nothing in terms of such evidence ? and instead pivoted to a discussion of rescinding a ban on Russian adoptions ? the media went into a frenzy as experts spotted images of crimes from treason to defrauding the United States to campaign finance violations.
In the continuing Russia Rorschach test, it turns out that every amorphous blob looks like a crime to media and many legal experts.
One obvious explanation is that Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort fell for a classic bait-and-switch. Veselnitskaya was representing people seeking to lift the adoption ban, and it was certainly amateur hour in Trump Tower. If this is the best the Russians can do as their big play, we have little to worry about.
They question is whether the Trump team is a bunch of click-bait chumps or criminals. In other words, does any of this constitute a clear crime or even a vague inkblot image of a crime?
No, at least not on these facts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/341461-opinion-don-jrs-russia-meeting-wasnt-collusion-just
Don Jr.'s Russia meeting wasn't collusion ? just amateur hour
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 07/11/17 12:30 PM EDT
Washington began its week again with its collective Rorschach test: another Russian-related meeting that was immediately declared to be the ?smoking gun? of criminal collusion or even ?treason.? In the 1960s when Swiss psychologist Hermann Rorschach created his projective test, he found that people could reveal their motivations and perceptions in describing what they saw in amorphous inkblots.
While the participants have said that the meeting lasted only about 20 minutes and that the lawyer offered nothing in terms of such evidence ? and instead pivoted to a discussion of rescinding a ban on Russian adoptions ? the media went into a frenzy as experts spotted images of crimes from treason to defrauding the United States to campaign finance violations.
In the continuing Russia Rorschach test, it turns out that every amorphous blob looks like a crime to media and many legal experts.
One obvious explanation is that Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort fell for a classic bait-and-switch. Veselnitskaya was representing people seeking to lift the adoption ban, and it was certainly amateur hour in Trump Tower. If this is the best the Russians can do as their big play, we have little to worry about.
They question is whether the Trump team is a bunch of click-bait chumps or criminals. In other words, does any of this constitute a clear crime or even a vague inkblot image of a crime?
No, at least not on these facts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/341461-opinion-don-jrs-russia-meeting-wasnt-collusion-just
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jmoney74
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Liar Loan said:morekaos said:
why is he so butt hurt
nosuchreality
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What's the link between the lawyer and the Russian Government?
I haven't read much of the story and to me just the headlines read very smeary with scanning of the article not making any real connection between the lawyer, other than she's Russian, and it being directed by the top RussiAn government officials.
Is she an alleged operative? Or is it simply, she'sRussian?
I haven't read much of the story and to me just the headlines read very smeary with scanning of the article not making any real connection between the lawyer, other than she's Russian, and it being directed by the top RussiAn government officials.
Is she an alleged operative? Or is it simply, she'sRussian?
Loco_local
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nosuchreality said:
She is some how related to the miss universe pagent, an oligarch and his popstar son and a sanctioned money laundering bank.
Loco_local
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I just heard on MSNBC that she was the lawyer on this money laundering case that was settled. Preet Bharara the recently fired United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York was working on the case. The money laundering involved money from the Russian government to luxury condos in NY.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-prevezon-idUSKBN18904I
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-prevezon-idUSKBN18904I
morekaos
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Things that make you go hmmm....
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.
During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya?s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.
?In October the government bypassed ?the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary ?permission to enter the country called immigration parole,? Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing Jan. 6, 2016.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.
During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya?s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.
?In October the government bypassed ?the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary ?permission to enter the country called immigration parole,? Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing Jan. 6, 2016.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump
Loco_local
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Whoever was working for the Obama administration must have been brilliant to have known in 2015 to let this woman back in the country so she could trick the future-president's (not Hilary) dumb-dumb son into almost committing a treasonous act.
morekaos said:
LOL. Of course it had to be Obama's fault. Do you know why she was in the country? To defend a Russian company from charges of money laundering. And do you know how those charges came up? From a whistleblower that was murdered in Russia (does the Magnitsky Act ring a bell?). And do you happen to know how was pressing charges? The US Attorney that was abruptly fired by Trump (Preet Bhahara).
Things that make you go hmmmm indeed ...
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jmoney74
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I still don't get what is wrong with Trump jr meeting this lawyer. Well not wrong but anything to get in deep trouble for.
jmoney74 said:
When a foreign hostile government offers to provide intel on the opposing candidate in a federal election, the correct answer is not "I love it" and arranging to meet. Opposition research can be deemed of financial value and thus can be claimed as a campaign contribution (now by a foreign government since she is acting in the role of a "Russian government attorney"). Accepting a campaign contribution from a foreign government is illegal.
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peppy said:
Did she identify herself as apart of the Russian government.. when you say "deemed".. is that law? Sounds loosey goosey.
Loco_local
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If it was only the dumbdumb son in the meeting I wouldn't think anything if it, but I have a hard time believing that Manafort and Kushner (who supposedly has gotten half billion dollar loans from Russian banks) didn't think that the Crown prosecutor of Russia (whatever that is) was connected to the government.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40571914
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40571914
nosuchreality
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peppy said:
the big Ifs are
if the information is from foreign government operations
if she is actually a government operative
if she actually provides information
if the campaign then doesn't turn it over or file appropriate forms
if...
Or just a sleazy business deal angling, that provided nothing and hence there is nothing to turn over.
Does a campaign need to file a report or every crackpot making claims and offering info?
Seriously, I think it would be great if Trump got impeached and removed from office for doing something based on the nepotism, amateurism, animosity and sundry other *ssinine things I've seen from as an assault on our community for crony capitalism but frankly, this isn't it.
This is IMO, more wishful thinking starting with the presumption of Trump committed treason when he called for Russia to find Clinton's missing emails or there after and seems to be working backwards to force fit the connections. I've seen it regularly on Bill Maher and the other shows where the guest is wiping the T about.
Dirty, sleasy, shady, corrupt, yep, pretty much expected for anyone doing business in Russia or other like countries, IMO.
Sberbank, I hope it stays with us a while, I'm confident those rat holes run a long way into both of the two major parties.