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Tell that to the 54 people shot and 7 DEAD in just one weekend there. I would wager NO other city in the country saw that level of carnage. That place is a literal war zone in need of heavy handed controls to get back to just a “normal” level of violence.
 
Pritzger would be wise to coordinate and work with the Trump administration like the DC mayor has. He is on the wrong side of a 80%-20% issue. But he won’t😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈
 
The murder rate in Chicago bottomed out in 2013/14. After which, due to a ACLU lawsuit, the police department discontinued use of stop-and-frisk policing.

Thanks to that ruling and the "ACLU effect", there have been thousands more murders and tens of thousands more shootings in the past 10 years than there otherwise would have been.

This article provides empirical evidence that the reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department beginning around December 2015 was responsible for the homicide spike that started immediately thereafter. The sharp decline in the number of stop and frisks is a strong candidate for the causal factor, particularly since the timing of the homicide spike so perfectly coincides with the spike.
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What Caused the 2016 Chicago Homicide Spike? An Empirical Examination of the 'ACLU Effect' and the Role of Stop and Frisks in Preventing Gun Violence

Homicides increased dramatically in Chicago in 2016. In 2015, 480 Chicago residents were killed. The next year, 754 were killed–274 more homicide victims, tragically producing an extraordinary 58% increase in a single year. This article attempts to unravel what happened.This article provides...
dc.law.utah.edu dc.law.utah.edu
 
Listen to him…he knows😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸

Chicago Alderman Raymond Lopez said that “We need the National Guard to help take off the pressure from the Chicago Police Department” by guarding city assets the police are having to guard and said that he wants to see crime drop even more than it has in Chicago and he wants the same sort of crime reduction that Washington, D.C. has seen.

Lopez stated, “It’s very easy for Brandon Johnson to put together these orders that are meaningless. But we need the help. We need the National Guard to help take off the pressure from the Chicago Police Department, which is guarding some of the city’s assets. And we could better use their personnel, their intel., and their training in the neighborhoods.”

He added, “It’s interesting that the mayor and the governor have this threshold where they say, we’ve decreased crime just enough. We don’t need to go any further. Well, we all say, let’s keep going. Look what happened in D.C., where the crime went down 84%. Let’s go 12 days without a murder in the city of Chicago. Those are noble aspirations that we can work together with, if we choose to engage President Donald Trump.”

 
Federal military are not trained for suburban crime. This is unconstitutional and the courts already ruled against it.

But law means nothing when it's your side breaking it?

Just like the insurrection, backed by a dishonest figurehead.

It's crazy that no one is worried about this.
 
What insurrection? Pritzger just had the National guard in Chicago for the Democratic national convention. No one fought that and crime fell…What do you think they were doing then? It doesn’t matter what some lower court says…the SC is gonna side with Trump…this is gonna happen wether you like it or not…😂😂😂🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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irvinehomeowner said:
Federal military are not trained for suburban crime. This is unconstitutional and the courts already ruled against it.

But law means nothing when it's your side breaking it?
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You didn't read about the ruling, so you have no idea what you are talking about (as usual... Just like your OC vs. Irvine home prices).

Maybe get yourself up to speed and then comment intelligently.

Today's ruling — even if it holds up on appeal — would not impact the use of the guard in other places because it was based on the specific circumstances of what kind of duties the guard has performed in Los Angeles and whether it was overstepping its powers over civilians.

"We would have to wait to see what happens because this ruling doesn't say you can never federalize the National Guard," said Jessica Levinson, law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "This ruling says that once the National Guard was on the ground, that they basically they did too much."
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Again you didn't read what I wrote.

Come back when your feelings aren't hurt or when you stop changing your claims.

Ruled illegal in Cali, will set precedence for other cities. Not like it matters, we have a Prez who doesn't care about law and a guy who keeps posting in TalkIrvine with very little experience in Irvine real estate. Makes sense.
 
Unbiased chatgpt:

Here’s an objective, constitutionally grounded look at whether President Trump can lawfully mobilize the National Guard and federal forces in response to Chicago’s recent surge in violence—a particularly bloody Labor Day weekend where around 50–58 people were shot and seven to eight were killed .




1. State vs. Federal Control of the National Guard


  • State-Controlled Guard: Typically, the governor controls the state National Guard unless federalized. Governors can deploy them for public safety, emergencies, disasters, or civil unrest—actions generally deemed constitutional.
  • Federal–Controlled Guard: For a president to federalize the Guard without state approval—i.e., put it under federal command—requires invoking extraordinary statutory authority (like the Insurrection Act) and is closely scrutinized legally.





2. Legal Hurdles and Precedents


  • A recent federal court ruling blocked the use of military or National Guard forces by the president in California for domestic law enforcement, unless specific statutory reasons (like an insurrection) apply .
    This sets a strong precedent: ordinary crime—even a violent weekend—does not meet the legal threshold for federal military deployment.
  • The Posse Comitatus Act generally prohibits federal military involvement in domestic law enforcement. Exceptions (like the Insurrection Act) are narrowly construed and typically do not apply to regular criminal activity.





3. Chicago Officials’ Position


  • Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson have rejected any federal deployment as unconstitutional, labeling it an “invasion” and unnecessary for a crime problem that, while serious, doesn’t constitute an insurrection or emergency .
  • Johnson even signed an executive order directing local law enforcement not to cooperate with federal or military personnel .
  • Local veterans and active service members have argued that the Guard is not trained for domestic policing, emphasizing its community-support role—not civilian law enforcement .





4. Is This Deployment Constitutional Under These Circumstances?


Bottom line: No. Under U.S. constitutional and statutory law, ordinary suburban or urban crime—even a violent weekend—is not enough to justify federal troop deployment without the governor’s consent.

  • The president’s authority to federalize the Guard is limited and generally aimed at quelling insurrections or enforcing federal law where states have failed or refused to act—not for addressing crime spikes.
  • Chicago’s situation, while tragic and serious, does not meet the constitutional or statutory thresholds necessary for overriding state authority.





Summary Table


Question​
Answer​
Can the governor send the National Guard?
Yes—state’s prerogative, constitutional for emergencies or public safety needs.

Can the president send Guard without governor?
No, unless exceptional authority (e.g. Insurrection Act) legitimately applies—and it doesn’t here.

Does Chicago’s weekend violence qualify?
No—violent crime alone does not meet the threshold for federal military intervention.

Have courts pushed back on similar actions recently?
Yes, notably in California—setting a legal precedent against such deployments.




Final Take


While the violence in Chicago over Labor Day weekend was deeply troubling—with dozens shot and several killed—that alone does not legally justify a president sending the National Guard without the governor’s request. Constitutional and statutory safeguards, reinforced by recent court rulings, uphold state sovereignty in such matters.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Unbiased chatgpt:
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https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/popular-ai-models-show-partisan-bias-when-asked-talk-politics

The researchers gave 30 political questions to 24 different LLMs from 8 companies, including OpenAI, Google, and xAI. Then, they had more than 10,000 people in the U.S. look at those responses and rate their political slant. Respondents were also asked what else they would ask the models, and some of those prompts were added to the study.

For 18 of the 30 questions, users perceived nearly all of the LLMs’ responses as left-leaning. This was true for both self-identified Republican and Democratic respondents, though the Republicans perceived a more drastic slant from all eight companies that created the models, while Democrats noticed a slant in seven.
 
Regarding ChatGPT, there's an old saying in the tech world: Garbage in, garbage out.

And of course, there's nothing to stop people from misusing it.... like IHO/zubs using OC metro numbers to claim Irvine housing never goes down!

irvinehomeowner said:
Ruled illegal in Cali, will set precedence for other cities.
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You just went from saying "This is unconstitutional" to now saying it "will set precedence". Neither statement is actually true, but it shows that your legal opinions are unreliable moving targets.
 
chatgpt is 60% right. The other 40% you will have to figure out yourself.
So it's useful but you will have to know something about the subject before relying on it 100%.
It corrects itself if you ask why its answer contradicts something else.
 
Face it…it works and Democrats should cooperate instead of reflexively opposing all things Trump…Trump floated going to New Orleans first. If that happens and works…others will follow suit…👍🏽😂😂😂🇺🇸

Pritzker Should Do Something Radical, Call Trump And Say "Let's Partner Up" To Stop Crime

You look what's happening this weekend. He looks so, you know, I, I, I actually think that JB Pritzker should do something radical. I think he should pick up the phone, call the president and say, you know, and I know you don't have the constitutional authority to deploy the National Guard here and to police my, my, you can do that in DC. You can't do that in Chicago, but let's partner up. These are the most dangerous parts of my state. We would love to figure out how to have a partnership that's constitutional, that respects the, the, the, the sort of balance of federalism between the federal government and the state government and let's work together to save lives because right now just the, hey, nothing to see here moving along. No problem here. Hey, Donald Trump, we don't need you.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...p_and_say_lets_partner_up_to_stop_crime_.html
 
Liar Loan said:
Regarding ChatGPT, there's an old saying in the tech world: Garbage in, garbage out.

And of course, there's nothing to stop people from misusing it.... like IHO/zubs using OC metro numbers to claim Irvine housing never goes down!



You just went from saying "This is unconstitutional" to now saying it "will set precedence". Neither statement is actually true, but it shows that your legal opinions are unreliable moving targets.
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So much hyperbole from the hurt prognosticator.

It's all subjective... if it were Dems doing it, you would claim unconstitutional and by nature, court rulings tend to set precedence. Show me how it's not unconstitutional... ChatGPT cited actual data... whereas you and morekaos just state opinions.

Your cultish behavior is so crazy because I know you are all smarter than that.

At this point, Trump can murder someone on the street and you would all find a way to support him.

Try to look at these things from a unbiased position (I know that's hard for you morekaos)... but there is a reason for city/state/fed levels of power. That's not garbage, that's how government and the constitution works. This isn't North Korea... the president should not be a dictator or a king. This slope is slippery and something bad is going to happen... even worse than it already has.

What do you tell people who are genuinely worried about this? Or is your life just an echo chamber and you can only see one side of it?

What are your conversations with immigrants? With people of color? With LGBT+?

And that is the irony of this all... Republicans are supposed lean Christian but all of this is very un-Christ-like behavior. Maybe you should read that Trump Gold Bible more.
 
I deal with those types Every day…a good chunk of my family offices are Hollywood…I prepped them last year that this was a very likely outcome and they need to deal with it bc we are about to make a boatload of money…many are now accepting and some even coming around like Morning Joe…they see the writing on the wall and the positive outcomes of what they were told they should fear…the game goes on😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸
 
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